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Title: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: wssupickle on June 30, 2020, 12:01:09 PM
https://www.journalnow.com/sports/college/wssu/ram-ramblings-expansion-is-hot-topic-for-meac-and-ciaa/article_3e49c0b0-bae7-11ea-8fa7-47b58dbc68f3.html
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Professor on June 30, 2020, 12:05:14 PM
WSSU makes it clear , they ain't going no where
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: JAG89 on June 30, 2020, 01:23:46 PM
WSSU makes it clear , they ain't going no where

They are forever in their comfort zone.
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Warpaint on June 30, 2020, 01:29:54 PM
WSSU makes it clear , they ain't going no where

They are forever in their comfort zone.

We can't afford to be anywhere else.  We cut baseball because they claimed that cost too much money.  If we moved up we'd have to add sports and a bunch of scholarships.  Call it comfort zone if you want, but if you ain't got it you ain't got it.
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: JAG89 on June 30, 2020, 01:55:00 PM
WSSU makes it clear , they ain't going no where

They are forever in their comfort zone.

We can't afford to be anywhere else.  We cut baseball because they claimed that cost too much money.  If we moved up we'd have to add sports and a bunch of scholarships.  Call it comfort zone if you want, but if you ain't got it you ain't got it.

Understandable!!!  But should WSSU come up with a long-term plan for future growth and the possibility of moving up???
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Warpaint on June 30, 2020, 02:44:28 PM
WSSU makes it clear , they ain't going no where

They are forever in their comfort zone.

We can't afford to be anywhere else.  We cut baseball because they claimed that cost too much money.  If we moved up we'd have to add sports and a bunch of scholarships.  Call it comfort zone if you want, but if you ain't got it you ain't got it.

Understandable!!!  But should WSSU come up with a long-term plan for future growth and the possibility of moving up???

If we had already maxed out with funding at the D2 level then I would be on board with a growth plan looking to move to D1.  However, we aren't there.

In my opinion here's what our current long term plan should look like:

1. Offering every sport that the conference sponsors (we are missing bowling and men's track).
2. Offer the D2 max amount of scholarships for each sport.
3. Fully funded coaching staffs with the appropriate amount of assistants.
4. A replacement/renovations to our basketball arena.
5. Negotiating a more favorable deal for Bowman Gray Stadium.
6. Add/bring back non-sponsored CIAA sports (i.e. Baseball, Men's Tennis, Soccer, etc.).

Once we are able to accomplish all of those goals, then I'd feel like we could actually consider looking into moving up again.
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: JAG89 on June 30, 2020, 03:57:45 PM
WSSU makes it clear , they ain't going no where

They are forever in their comfort zone.

We can't afford to be anywhere else.  We cut baseball because they claimed that cost too much money.  If we moved up we'd have to add sports and a bunch of scholarships.  Call it comfort zone if you want, but if you ain't got it you ain't got it.

Understandable!!!  But should WSSU come up with a long-term plan for future growth and the possibility of moving up???

If we had already maxed out with funding at the D2 level then I would be on board with a growth plan looking to move to D1.  However, we aren't there.

In my opinion here's what our current long term plan should look like:

1. Offering every sport that the conference sponsors (we are missing bowling and men's track).
2. Offer the D2 max amount of scholarships for each sport.
3. Fully funded coaching staffs with the appropriate amount of assistants.
4. A replacement/renovations to our basketball arena.
5. Negotiating a more favorable deal for Bowman Gray Stadium.
6. Add/bring back non-sponsored CIAA sports (i.e. Baseball, Men's Tennis, Soccer, etc.).

Once we are able to accomplish all of those goals, then I'd feel like we could actually consider looking into moving up again.

You do realize you just layout a long-term plan, but would WSSU administration be eager to do such???
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Warpaint on June 30, 2020, 04:04:24 PM
WSSU makes it clear , they ain't going no where

They are forever in their comfort zone.

We can't afford to be anywhere else.  We cut baseball because they claimed that cost too much money.  If we moved up we'd have to add sports and a bunch of scholarships.  Call it comfort zone if you want, but if you ain't got it you ain't got it.

Understandable!!!  But should WSSU come up with a long-term plan for future growth and the possibility of moving up???

If we had already maxed out with funding at the D2 level then I would be on board with a growth plan looking to move to D1.  However, we aren't there.

In my opinion here's what our current long term plan should look like:

1. Offering every sport that the conference sponsors (we are missing bowling and men's track).
2. Offer the D2 max amount of scholarships for each sport.
3. Fully funded coaching staffs with the appropriate amount of assistants.
4. A replacement/renovations to our basketball arena.
5. Negotiating a more favorable deal for Bowman Gray Stadium.
6. Add/bring back non-sponsored CIAA sports (i.e. Baseball, Men's Tennis, Soccer, etc.).

Once we are able to accomplish all of those goals, then I'd feel like we could actually consider looking into moving up again.

You do realize you just layout a long-term plan, but would WSSU administration be eager to do such???

Well now that we have our new AD I can only be hopeful. 
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Ram55 on June 30, 2020, 06:02:15 PM
We are comfortable with who we are.Its much better to be competitive with like schools than to be a nobody with schools not like us. We don't have to apologize or answer to others who want us to be like them... nobodies. Us playing for a national championship just a few years ago means we're where we need to be. When one of our DI schools do better than what we have accomplished we might develop plans for a move up.

There is nothing about us that says we're DI... Nothing.
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Thinkingaboutit on June 30, 2020, 06:34:54 PM
We are comfortable with who we are.Its much better to be competitive with like schools than to be a nobody with schools not like us. We don't have to apologize or answer to others who want us to be like them... nobodies. Us playing for a national championship just a few years ago means we're where we need to be. When one of our DI schools do better than what we have accomplished we might develop plans for a move up.

There is nothing about us that says we're DI... Nothing.

A few years ago?  Played for a National Championship?  How much money did you make?     :tiptoe:
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Professor on June 30, 2020, 06:35:58 PM
Clearly not enough, they dropping sports
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Ram55 on June 30, 2020, 07:17:51 PM
We are comfortable with who we are.Its much better to be competitive with like schools than to be a nobody with schools not like us. We don't have to apologize or answer to others who want us to be like them... nobodies. Us playing for a national championship just a few years ago means we're where we need to be. When one of our DI schools do better than what we have accomplished we might develop plans for a move up.

There is nothing about us that says we're DI... Nothing.

A few years ago?  Played for a National Championship?  How much money did you make?     :tiptoe:
Am I expected to answer that or is this your attempt to be an asss? However, how much money does your school make for being a doormat in DI?

And the added comment from an Uncle Tom Aggie is ridiculous. They claim to be making their move based on them not having enough money, then they try to shade WSSU for cutting excessive sports we can't.  afford
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Professor on June 30, 2020, 08:01:58 PM
We are comfortable with who we are.Its much better to be competitive with like schools than to be a nobody with schools not like us. We don't have to apologize or answer to others who want us to be like them... nobodies. Us playing for a national championship just a few years ago means we're where we need to be. When one of our DI schools do better than what we have accomplished we might develop plans for a move up.

There is nothing about us that says we're DI... Nothing.

A few years ago?  Played for a National Championship?  How much money did you make?     :tiptoe:
Am I expected to answer that or is this your attempt to be an asss? However, how much money does your school make for being a doormat in DI?

And the added comment from an Uncle Tom Aggie is ridiculous. They claim to be making their move based on them not having enough money, then they try to shade WSSU for cutting excessive sports we can't.  afford

Oh it's no shade. It's actually funny. You keep harping on the fact you played in the national championship. But you also were fully fundeing your football team which you aren't any more. You couldn't sustain your spending , which is the reason you went back to D2 and even at D2 you couldn't keep up spending and that is why your cutting the non revenue sports.

A&T is adding sports. And building facalities. It's just funny that you keep bringing up 2012 but 8 years later, what did that do for your athletic programs?

Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: AimHigh on June 30, 2020, 10:21:41 PM
I wish the northern MEAC schools would drop to D2 and team up with the northern CIAA schools.
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: ncsiacfan on July 01, 2020, 08:12:51 AM
Howard, Morgan, and Delaware State. No way that's going to happen.
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Jay_Thomas on July 01, 2020, 08:31:52 AM
Again, if Coppin State and UMES had restarted their FCS football teams, the makeup and shakeup would be looking a lot different....and less desperate.  IJS  :shrug:
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: JBROB on July 01, 2020, 08:51:24 AM
I wish the northern MEAC schools would drop to D2 and team up with the northern CIAA schools.

Let's hope Dr. Fredrick doesn't see it the same way.
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: AimHigh on July 01, 2020, 09:43:38 AM
I wish the northern MEAC schools would drop to D2 and team up with the northern CIAA schools.

Let's hope Dr. Fredrick doesn't see it the same way.

I already made it known I do not see Howard going D2. Dr. Fredrick has no say in Del. State, Morgan, UMES, and Coppin. Norfolk St. should also be in the MEAC core considering the D2 option. By the way, I wouldn't be surprised if NEC ultimately did not see Del. State as a fit, which is why they stayed. I do not see MEAC expanding into the northeastern region of FCS any time soon, whether the conference or individual schools.

All the chatter about the MEAC's history. MEAC started as a D2 conference that moved up. Let's get back to these roots (although I still see NC Central, SC State and maybe Howard as a better fit in FCS / Big South).

The MEAC is thinking who can move up or move over in FCS to get members. Instead MEAC should be thinking maybe we should drop to D2 to expand and grow the conference. Get out of the box.
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Professor on July 01, 2020, 10:18:17 AM
I wish the northern MEAC schools would drop to D2 and team up with the northern CIAA schools.

Let's hope Dr. Fredrick doesn't see it the same way.

I already made it known I do not see Howard going D2. Dr. Fredrick has no say in Del. State, Morgan, UMES, and Coppin. Norfolk St. should also be in the MEAC core considering the D2 option. By the way, I wouldn't be surprised if NEC ultimately did not see Del. State as a fit, which is why they stayed. I do not see MEAC expanding into the northeastern region of FCS any time soon, whether the conference or individual schools.

All the chatter about the MEAC's history. MEAC started as a D2 conference that moved up. Let's get back to these roots (although I still see NC Central, SC State and maybe Howard as a better fit in FCS / Big South).

The MEAC is thinking who can move up or move over in FCS to get members. Instead MEAC should be thinking maybe we should drop to D2 to expand and grow the conference. Get out of the box.

Do you think Funding would stay the same if a move to D2 happened
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: AimHigh on July 01, 2020, 11:07:49 AM
I wish the northern MEAC schools would drop to D2 and team up with the northern CIAA schools.

Let's hope Dr. Fredrick doesn't see it the same way.

I already made it known I do not see Howard going D2. Dr. Fredrick has no say in Del. State, Morgan, UMES, and Coppin. Norfolk St. should also be in the MEAC core considering the D2 option. By the way, I wouldn't be surprised if NEC ultimately did not see Del. State as a fit, which is why they stayed. I do not see MEAC expanding into the northeastern region of FCS any time soon, whether the conference or individual schools.

All the chatter about the MEAC's history. MEAC started as a D2 conference that moved up. Let's get back to these roots (although I still see NC Central, SC State and maybe Howard as a better fit in FCS / Big South).

The MEAC is thinking who can move up or move over in FCS to get members. Instead MEAC should be thinking maybe we should drop to D2 to expand and grow the conference. Get out of the box.

Do you think Funding would stay the same if a move to D2 happened

I do not know, but I am certain expenses would decrease with this kind of footprint.

Lincoln
Delaware St.
Morgan St.
Bowie St.
Coppin St.
UMES
Virginia Union
Virginia St.
Norfolk St.
Elizabeth City St.
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Ram55 on July 01, 2020, 12:56:25 PM
I wish the northern MEAC schools would drop to D2 and team up with the northern CIAA schools.

Let's hope Dr. Fredrick doesn't see it the same way.

I already made it known I do not see Howard going D2. Dr. Fredrick has no say in Del. State, Morgan, UMES, and Coppin. Norfolk St. should also be in the MEAC core considering the D2 option. By the way, I wouldn't be surprised if NEC ultimately did not see Del. State as a fit, which is why they stayed. I do not see MEAC expanding into the northeastern region of FCS any time soon, whether the conference or individual schools.

All the chatter about the MEAC's history. MEAC started as a D2 conference that moved up. Let's get back to these roots (although I still see NC Central, SC State and maybe Howard as a better fit in FCS / Big South).

The MEAC is thinking who can move up or move over in FCS to get members. Instead MEAC should be thinking maybe we should drop to D2 to expand and grow the conference. Get out of the box.

Do you think Funding would stay the same if a move to D2 happened

I do not know, but I am certain expenses would decrease with this kind of footprint.

Lincoln
Delaware St.
Morgan St.
Bowie St.
Coppin St.
UMES
Virginia Union
Virginia St.
Norfolk St.
Elizabeth City St.

First of all, the MEAC ain't going anywhere. Secondly, there is no way those CIAA schools would leave the conference just to save the MEAC. There is too much tradition for them to leave. Maybe the CIAA will except a few MEAC schools, but in the format that's currently in place. The CIAA don't live just to rescue the MEAC.
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: CIAA-FAN on July 01, 2020, 12:59:31 PM
I wish the northern MEAC schools would drop to D2 and team up with the northern CIAA schools.

Let's hope Dr. Fredrick doesn't see it the same way.

I already made it known I do not see Howard going D2. Dr. Fredrick has no say in Del. State, Morgan, UMES, and Coppin. Norfolk St. should also be in the MEAC core considering the D2 option. By the way, I wouldn't be surprised if NEC ultimately did not see Del. State as a fit, which is why they stayed. I do not see MEAC expanding into the northeastern region of FCS any time soon, whether the conference or individual schools.

All the chatter about the MEAC's history. MEAC started as a D2 conference that moved up. Let's get back to these roots (although I still see NC Central, SC State and maybe Howard as a better fit in FCS / Big South).

The MEAC is thinking who can move up or move over in FCS to get members. Instead MEAC should be thinking maybe we should drop to D2 to expand and grow the conference. Get out of the box.

Do you think Funding would stay the same if a move to D2 happened

I do not know, but I am certain expenses would decrease with this kind of footprint.

Lincoln
Delaware St.
Morgan St.
Bowie St.
Coppin St.
UMES
Virginia Union
Virginia St.
Norfolk St.
Elizabeth City St.

First of all, the MEAC ain't going anywhere. Secondly, there is no way those CIAA schools would leave the conference just to save the MEAC. There is too much tradition for them to leave. Maybe the CIAA will except a few MEAC schools, but in the format that's currently in place. The CIAA don't live just to rescue the MEAC.

THE CIAA. THE FIRST HBCU CONFERENCE, REMEMBER THAT!!!
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: CIAA-FAN on July 01, 2020, 01:03:31 PM
I wish the northern MEAC schools would drop to D2 and team up with the northern CIAA schools.

Let's hope Dr. Fredrick doesn't see it the same way.

I already made it known I do not see Howard going D2. Dr. Fredrick has no say in Del. State, Morgan, UMES, and Coppin. Norfolk St. should also be in the MEAC core considering the D2 option. By the way, I wouldn't be surprised if NEC ultimately did not see Del. State as a fit, which is why they stayed. I do not see MEAC expanding into the northeastern region of FCS any time soon, whether the conference or individual schools.

All the chatter about the MEAC's history. MEAC started as a D2 conference that moved up. Let's get back to these roots (although I still see NC Central, SC State and maybe Howard as a better fit in FCS / Big South).

The MEAC is thinking who can move up or move over in FCS to get members. Instead MEAC should be thinking maybe we should drop to D2 to expand and grow the conference. Get out of the box.

Do you think Funding would stay the same if a move to D2 happened

I do not know, but I am certain expenses would decrease with this kind of footprint.

Lincoln
Delaware St.
Morgan St.
Bowie St.
Coppin St.
UMES
Virginia Union
Virginia St.
Norfolk St.
Elizabeth City St.

First of all, the MEAC ain't going anywhere. Secondly, there is no way those CIAA schools would leave the conference just to save the MEAC. There is too much tradition for them to leave. Maybe the CIAA will except a few MEAC schools, but in the format that's currently in place. The CIAA don't live just to rescue the MEAC.

HELLO! :popcorn:
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: eagle pride on July 01, 2020, 01:58:10 PM
I wish the northern MEAC schools would drop to D2 and team up with the northern CIAA schools.

Let's hope Dr. Fredrick doesn't see it the same way.

I already made it known I do not see Howard going D2. Dr. Fredrick has no say in Del. State, Morgan, UMES, and Coppin. Norfolk St. should also be in the MEAC core considering the D2 option. By the way, I wouldn't be surprised if NEC ultimately did not see Del. State as a fit, which is why they stayed. I do not see MEAC expanding into the northeastern region of FCS any time soon, whether the conference or individual schools.

All the chatter about the MEAC's history. MEAC started as a D2 conference that moved up. Let's get back to these roots (although I still see NC Central, SC State and maybe Howard as a better fit in FCS / Big South).

The MEAC is thinking who can move up or move over in FCS to get members. Instead MEAC should be thinking maybe we should drop to D2 to expand and grow the conference. Get out of the box.

Do you think Funding would stay the same if a move to D2 happened

I do not know, but I am certain expenses would decrease with this kind of footprint.

Lincoln
Delaware St.
Morgan St.
Bowie St.
Coppin St.
UMES
Virginia Union
Virginia St.
Norfolk St.
Elizabeth City St.

First of all, the MEAC ain't going anywhere. Secondly, there is no way those CIAA schools would leave the conference just to save the MEAC. There is too much tradition for them to leave. Maybe the CIAA will except a few MEAC schools, but in the format that's currently in place. The CIAA don't live just to rescue the MEAC.


Amen!  I think he is having a difficult time understanding this. 
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: AimHigh on July 01, 2020, 02:58:48 PM
I wish the northern MEAC schools would drop to D2 and team up with the northern CIAA schools.

Let's hope Dr. Fredrick doesn't see it the same way.

I already made it known I do not see Howard going D2. Dr. Fredrick has no say in Del. State, Morgan, UMES, and Coppin. Norfolk St. should also be in the MEAC core considering the D2 option. By the way, I wouldn't be surprised if NEC ultimately did not see Del. State as a fit, which is why they stayed. I do not see MEAC expanding into the northeastern region of FCS any time soon, whether the conference or individual schools.

All the chatter about the MEAC's history. MEAC started as a D2 conference that moved up. Let's get back to these roots (although I still see NC Central, SC State and maybe Howard as a better fit in FCS / Big South).

The MEAC is thinking who can move up or move over in FCS to get members. Instead MEAC should be thinking maybe we should drop to D2 to expand and grow the conference. Get out of the box.

Do you think Funding would stay the same if a move to D2 happened

I do not know, but I am certain expenses would decrease with this kind of footprint.

Lincoln
Delaware St.
Morgan St.
Bowie St.
Coppin St.
UMES
Virginia Union
Virginia St.
Norfolk St.
Elizabeth City St.

First of all, the MEAC ain't going anywhere. Secondly, there is no way those CIAA schools would leave the conference just to save the MEAC. There is too much tradition for them to leave. Maybe the CIAA will except a few MEAC schools, but in the format that's currently in place. The CIAA don't live just to rescue the MEAC.


Amen!  I think he is having a difficult time understanding this.

If your leadership is sensitive, passive and stale in its thinking as you are hoping trust me that the schools in Durham and Winston will be chasing NC A&T athletically and academically for another 50 years. :tiptoe:

I like Frederick but hopefully he will put his brains into innovation and not stagnation.
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: AimHigh on July 01, 2020, 03:20:14 PM
Ram55 yeh it may be that 3 years from now many of the remaining MEAC schools will need to join the CIAA. I do not disagree with that and consider it positive. But the notion that the MEAC is secure is willful blindness.
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Ram55 on July 01, 2020, 06:05:37 PM
Ram55 yeh it may be that 3 years from now many of the remaining MEAC schools will need to join the CIAA. I do not disagree with that and consider it positive. But the notion that the MEAC is secure is willful blindness.

AimHigh- I truly understand your thought process. Yes, the MEAC is reeling right now. HOWEVER, HBCU sports and the black community can't afford to lose the MEAC. Our two HBCU division I conferences has been functioning as a side division in the NCAA. They need each other like salt and pepper. We need both of them, they are our pillars for cultural and educational needs. I hope we don't let sports mess this up.
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Ram55 on July 01, 2020, 06:27:33 PM
I wish the northern MEAC schools would drop to D2 and team up with the northern CIAA schools.

Let's hope Dr. Fredrick doesn't see it the same way.

I already made it known I do not see Howard going D2. Dr. Fredrick has no say in Del. State, Morgan, UMES, and Coppin. Norfolk St. should also be in the MEAC core considering the D2 option. By the way, I wouldn't be surprised if NEC ultimately did not see Del. State as a fit, which is why they stayed. I do not see MEAC expanding into the northeastern region of FCS any time soon, whether the conference or individual schools.

All the chatter about the MEAC's history. MEAC started as a D2 conference that moved up. Let's get back to these roots (although I still see NC Central, SC State and maybe Howard as a better fit in FCS / Big South).

The MEAC is thinking who can move up or move over in FCS to get members. Instead MEAC should be thinking maybe we should drop to D2 to expand and grow the conference. Get out of the box.

Do you think Funding would stay the same if a move to D2 happened

I do not know, but I am certain expenses would decrease with this kind of footprint.

Lincoln
Delaware St.
Morgan St.
Bowie St.
Coppin St.
UMES
Virginia Union
Virginia St.
Norfolk St.
Elizabeth City St.

First of all, the MEAC ain't going anywhere. Secondly, there is no way those CIAA schools would leave the conference just to save the MEAC. There is too much tradition for them to leave. Maybe the CIAA will except a few MEAC schools, but in the format that's currently in place. The CIAA don't live just to rescue the MEAC.


Amen!  I think he is having a difficult time understanding this.

If your leadership is sensitive, passive and stale in its thinking as you are hoping trust me that the schools in Durham and Winston will be chasing NC A&T athletically and academically for another 50 years. :tiptoe:

I like Frederick but hopefully he will put his brains into innovation and not stagnation.

One more point about your comment about "NCCU and WSSU chasing A&T". Do you think that either of these two schools would rather play in the CIAA tournament or the Big South's? Play Campbell or anybody in the CIAA? Who would you rather watch? You're from a school that doesn't really have any HBCU traditions, so you think wanting to be like white schools is the way to go. Some of us like being black. :nono2:
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: AimHigh on July 01, 2020, 06:39:11 PM
I wish the northern MEAC schools would drop to D2 and team up with the northern CIAA schools.

Let's hope Dr. Fredrick doesn't see it the same way.

I already made it known I do not see Howard going D2. Dr. Fredrick has no say in Del. State, Morgan, UMES, and Coppin. Norfolk St. should also be in the MEAC core considering the D2 option. By the way, I wouldn't be surprised if NEC ultimately did not see Del. State as a fit, which is why they stayed. I do not see MEAC expanding into the northeastern region of FCS any time soon, whether the conference or individual schools.

All the chatter about the MEAC's history. MEAC started as a D2 conference that moved up. Let's get back to these roots (although I still see NC Central, SC State and maybe Howard as a better fit in FCS / Big South).

The MEAC is thinking who can move up or move over in FCS to get members. Instead MEAC should be thinking maybe we should drop to D2 to expand and grow the conference. Get out of the box.

Do you think Funding would stay the same if a move to D2 happened

I do not know, but I am certain expenses would decrease with this kind of footprint.

Lincoln
Delaware St.
Morgan St.
Bowie St.
Coppin St.
UMES
Virginia Union
Virginia St.
Norfolk St.
Elizabeth City St.

First of all, the MEAC ain't going anywhere. Secondly, there is no way those CIAA schools would leave the conference just to save the MEAC. There is too much tradition for them to leave. Maybe the CIAA will except a few MEAC schools, but in the format that's currently in place. The CIAA don't live just to rescue the MEAC.


Amen!  I think he is having a difficult time understanding this.

If your leadership is sensitive, passive and stale in its thinking as you are hoping trust me that the schools in Durham and Winston will be chasing NC A&T athletically and academically for another 50 years. :tiptoe:

I like Frederick but hopefully he will put his brains into innovation and not stagnation.

One more point about your comment about "NCCU and WSSU chasing A&T". Do you think that either of these two schools would rather play in the CIAA tournament or the Big South's? Play Campbell or anybody in the CIAA? Who would you rather watch? You're from a school that doesn't really have any HBCU traditions, so you think wanting to be like white schools is the way to go. Some of us like being black. :nono2:

I would rather be playing Hampton and A&T home-home than UMES and Coppin to answer your question.

I love the Battle of the Real HU if you don't know much about our HBCU traditions at Howard!

No shade, but I don't need to go to a b-ball game against Coppin to feel black. ::)
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Ram55 on July 01, 2020, 06:51:00 PM
I wish the northern MEAC schools would drop to D2 and team up with the northern CIAA schools.

Let's hope Dr. Fredrick doesn't see it the same way.

I already made it known I do not see Howard going D2. Dr. Fredrick has no say in Del. State, Morgan, UMES, and Coppin. Norfolk St. should also be in the MEAC core considering the D2 option. By the way, I wouldn't be surprised if NEC ultimately did not see Del. State as a fit, which is why they stayed. I do not see MEAC expanding into the northeastern region of FCS any time soon, whether the conference or individual schools.

All the chatter about the MEAC's history. MEAC started as a D2 conference that moved up. Let's get back to these roots (although I still see NC Central, SC State and maybe Howard as a better fit in FCS / Big South).

The MEAC is thinking who can move up or move over in FCS to get members. Instead MEAC should be thinking maybe we should drop to D2 to expand and grow the conference. Get out of the box.

Do you think Funding would stay the same if a move to D2 happened

I do not know, but I am certain expenses would decrease with this kind of footprint.

Lincoln
Delaware St.
Morgan St.
Bowie St.
Coppin St.
UMES
Virginia Union
Virginia St.
Norfolk St.
Elizabeth City St.

First of all, the MEAC ain't going anywhere. Secondly, there is no way those CIAA schools would leave the conference just to save the MEAC. There is too much tradition for them to leave. Maybe the CIAA will except a few MEAC schools, but in the format that's currently in place. The CIAA don't live just to rescue the MEAC.


Amen!  I think he is having a difficult time understanding this.

If your leadership is sensitive, passive and stale in its thinking as you are hoping trust me that the schools in Durham and Winston will be chasing NC A&T athletically and academically for another 50 years. :tiptoe:

I like Frederick but hopefully he will put his brains into innovation and not stagnation.

One more point about your comment about "NCCU and WSSU chasing A&T". Do you think that either of these two schools would rather play in the CIAA tournament or the Big South's? Play Campbell or anybody in the CIAA? Who would you rather watch? You're from a school that doesn't really have any HBCU traditions, so you think wanting to be like white schools is the way to go. Some of us like being black. :nono2:

I would rather be playing Hampton and A&T home-home than UMES and Coppin to answer your question.

I love the Battle of the Real HU if you don't know much about our HBCU traditions!

No shade, but I don't need to go to a b-ball game in Coppin to feel black. ::)

That's  not tradition. Tradition is the CIAA. Thats why all the schools that left the CI still come back to the real homecoming. Trust me when I tell you that both NCCU and WSSU are the Mother's of them all. Howard is outside looking in and losing ya'll to an white conference doesn't really hurt Black College sports. Now if NCCU left for the Big South, that would really hurt the soul of our people. A&T leaving does hurt. They had become the Mother School of the HBCU world.
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: AimHigh on July 01, 2020, 06:55:05 PM
Ram55 yeh it may be that 3 years from now many of the remaining MEAC schools will need to join the CIAA. I do not disagree with that and consider it positive. But the notion that the MEAC is secure is willful blindness.

AimHigh- I truly understand your thought process. Yes, the MEAC is reeling right now. HOWEVER, HBCU sports and the black community can't afford to lose the MEAC. Our two HBCU division I conferences has been functioning as a side division in the NCAA. They need each other like salt and pepper. We need both of them, they are our pillars for cultural and educational needs. I hope we don't let sports mess this up.

How does the SWAC "need" the MEAC?? They are building the premier HBCU D1 conference and I personally LOVE IT! The SWAC Championship will thrive even more without the Celebration Bowl. Morehouse, Spelman, Hampton, Fisk, Tuskegee, and Xavier do not need to be MEAC or D1 standing to thrive in serving the cultural and educational needs of black folk. Neither does Howard IMHO.
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Ram55 on July 01, 2020, 07:00:01 PM
Ram55 yeh it may be that 3 years from now many of the remaining MEAC schools will need to join the CIAA. I do not disagree with that and consider it positive. But the notion that the MEAC is secure is willful blindness.

AimHigh- I truly understand your thought process. Yes, the MEAC is reeling right now. HOWEVER, HBCU sports and the black community can't afford to lose the MEAC. Our two HBCU division I conferences has been functioning as a side division in the NCAA. They need each other like salt and pepper. We need both of them, they are our pillars for cultural and educational needs. I hope we don't let sports mess this up.

How does the SWAC "need" the MEAC?? They are building the premier HBCU D1 conference and I personally LOVE IT! The SWAC Championship will thrive even more without the Celebration Bowl. Morehouse, Spelman, Hampton, Fisk, Tuskegee, and Xavier do not need the MEAC or D1 standing to be thrive in serving the cultural and educational needs of black folk. Neither does Howard IMHO.

First off, you can't have a premier with only one to choose from. Secondly, what other than the Celebration Bowl do they have to play for? Who else can they compete with. Thr SWAC don't go to the playoffs, and they lose to every white school they play. Yes,they need each other if nothing else but to brag to each other. Besides, they are too broke and will always be in a sub division in the NCAA.

The energy that fuels our enrollments comes from our relationship with each other. We like looking at the  visitors side and seeing folks like us.
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: AimHigh on July 01, 2020, 07:22:01 PM
Ram55 yeh it may be that 3 years from now many of the remaining MEAC schools will need to join the CIAA. I do not disagree with that and consider it positive. But the notion that the MEAC is secure is willful blindness.

AimHigh- I truly understand your thought process. Yes, the MEAC is reeling right now. HOWEVER, HBCU sports and the black community can't afford to lose the MEAC. Our two HBCU division I conferences has been functioning as a side division in the NCAA. They need each other like salt and pepper. We need both of them, they are our pillars for cultural and educational needs. I hope we don't let sports mess this up.

How does the SWAC "need" the MEAC?? They are building the premier HBCU D1 conference and I personally LOVE IT! The SWAC Championship will thrive even more without the Celebration Bowl. Morehouse, Spelman, Hampton, Fisk, Tuskegee, and Xavier do not need the MEAC or D1 standing to thrive in serving the cultural and educational needs of black folk. Neither does Howard IMHO.

First off, you can't have a premier with only one to choose from. Secondly, what other than the Celebration Bowl do they have to play for? Who else can they compete with. Thr SWAC don't go to the playoffs, and they lose to every white school they play. Yes,they need each other if nothing else but to brag to each other. Besides, they are too broke and will always be in a sub division in the NCAA.

The energy that fuels our enrollments comes from our relationship with each other. We like looking at the  visitors side and seeing folks like us.

The SWAC predates the MEAC by 50 years. For you to argue that it needs the MEAC you just lost all of your HBCU "cred" right there. The SWAC is looking premier right now, especially with the MEAC losing A&T, Hampton, FAMU, and Bethune. The last I check the folks at A&T and Hampton look just like me.
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Professor on July 01, 2020, 08:08:40 PM
Ram55 yeh it may be that 3 years from now many of the remaining MEAC schools will need to join the CIAA. I do not disagree with that and consider it positive. But the notion that the MEAC is secure is willful blindness.

AimHigh- I truly understand your thought process. Yes, the MEAC is reeling right now. HOWEVER, HBCU sports and the black community can't afford to lose the MEAC. Our two HBCU division I conferences has been functioning as a side division in the NCAA. They need each other like salt and pepper. We need both of them, they are our pillars for cultural and educational needs. I hope we don't let sports mess this up.

How does the SWAC "need" the MEAC?? They are building the premier HBCU D1 conference and I personally LOVE IT! The SWAC Championship will thrive even more without the Celebration Bowl. Morehouse, Spelman, Hampton, Fisk, Tuskegee, and Xavier do not need the MEAC or D1 standing to thrive in serving the cultural and educational needs of black folk. Neither does Howard IMHO.

First off, you can't have a premier with only one to choose from. Secondly, what other than the Celebration Bowl do they have to play for? Who else can they compete with. Thr SWAC don't go to the playoffs, and they lose to every white school they play. Yes,they need each other if nothing else but to brag to each other. Besides, they are too broke and will always be in a sub division in the NCAA.

The energy that fuels our enrollments comes from our relationship with each other. We like looking at the  visitors side and seeing folks like us.

The SWAC predates the MEAC by 50 years. For you to argue that it needs the MEAC you just lost all of your HBCU "cred" right there. The SWAC is looking premier right now, especially with the MEAC losing A&T, Hampton, FAMU, and Bethune. The last I check the folks at A&T and Hampton look just like me.

A&T and Hampton are white to him now
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: ncsiacfan on July 01, 2020, 08:23:24 PM
Did not the SWAC cancel their championship game?
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Ram55 on July 01, 2020, 09:48:48 PM
Ram55 yeh it may be that 3 years from now many of the remaining MEAC schools will need to join the CIAA. I do not disagree with that and consider it positive. But the notion that the MEAC is secure is willful blindness.

AimHigh- I truly understand your thought process. Yes, the MEAC is reeling right now. HOWEVER, HBCU sports and the black community can't afford to lose the MEAC. Our two HBCU division I conferences has been functioning as a side division in the NCAA. They need each other like salt and pepper. We need both of them, they are our pillars for cultural and educational needs. I hope we don't let sports mess this up.

How does the SWAC "need" the MEAC?? They are building the premier HBCU D1 conference and I personally LOVE IT! The SWAC Championship will thrive even more without the Celebration Bowl. Morehouse, Spelman, Hampton, Fisk, Tuskegee, and Xavier do not need the MEAC or D1 standing to thrive in serving the cultural and educational needs of black folk. Neither does Howard IMHO.

First off, you can't have a premier with only one to choose from. Secondly, what other than the Celebration Bowl do they have to play for? Who else can they compete with. Thr SWAC don't go to the playoffs, and they lose to every white school they play. Yes,they need each other if nothing else but to brag to each other. Besides, they are too broke and will always be in a sub division in the NCAA.

The energy that fuels our enrollments comes from our relationship with each other. We like looking at the  visitors side and seeing folks like us.

The SWAC predates the MEAC by 50 years. For you to argue that it needs the MEAC you just lost all of your HBCU "cred" right there. The SWAC is looking premier right now, especially with the MEAC losing A&T, Hampton, FAMU, and Bethune. The last I check the folks at A&T and Hampton look just like me.

A&T and Hampton are white to him now

Not white, but Uncle Toms. Ya'll are volunteering to go back to the plantation. If ya'll had problems with the MEAC, what do you expect from the Big South? It was your white AD thats taken you out of character. All ya'll pro negros are afraid to buck what you know is wrong. Again, a white man says jump and you jump higher.
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: The Watcher on July 01, 2020, 10:00:47 PM
I wish the northern MEAC schools would drop to D2 and team up with the northern CIAA schools.

Let's hope Dr. Fredrick doesn't see it the same way.

I already made it known I do not see Howard going D2. Dr. Fredrick has no say in Del. State, Morgan, UMES, and Coppin. Norfolk St. should also be in the MEAC core considering the D2 option. By the way, I wouldn't be surprised if NEC ultimately did not see Del. State as a fit, which is why they stayed. I do not see MEAC expanding into the northeastern region of FCS any time soon, whether the conference or individual schools.

All the chatter about the MEAC's history. MEAC started as a D2 conference that moved up. Let's get back to these roots (although I still see NC Central, SC State and maybe Howard as a better fit in FCS / Big South).

The MEAC is thinking who can move up or move over in FCS to get members. Instead MEAC should be thinking maybe we should drop to D2 to expand and grow the conference. Get out of the box.

Do you think Funding would stay the same if a move to D2 happened

I do not know, but I am certain expenses would decrease with this kind of footprint.

Lincoln
Delaware St.
Morgan St.
Bowie St.
Coppin St.
UMES
Virginia Union
Virginia St.
Norfolk St.
Elizabeth City St.

The CIAA (the Tournament to be exact) holds a lot of weight, and the tournament still brings in significant scholarship money. I don't see the current schools leaving for another D2 league to start over, but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: eagle pride on July 01, 2020, 10:22:50 PM
Ram55 yeh it may be that 3 years from now many of the remaining MEAC schools will need to join the CIAA. I do not disagree with that and consider it positive. But the notion that the MEAC is secure is willful blindness.

AimHigh- I truly understand your thought process. Yes, the MEAC is reeling right now. HOWEVER, HBCU sports and the black community can't afford to lose the MEAC. Our two HBCU division I conferences has been functioning as a side division in the NCAA. They need each other like salt and pepper. We need both of them, they are our pillars for cultural and educational needs. I hope we don't let sports mess this up.

How does the SWAC "need" the MEAC?? They are building the premier HBCU D1 conference and I personally LOVE IT! The SWAC Championship will thrive even more without the Celebration Bowl. Morehouse, Spelman, Hampton, Fisk, Tuskegee, and Xavier do not need the MEAC or D1 standing to thrive in serving the cultural and educational needs of black folk. Neither does Howard IMHO.

First off, you can't have a premier with only one to choose from. Secondly, what other than the Celebration Bowl do they have to play for? Who else can they compete with. Thr SWAC don't go to the playoffs, and they lose to every white school they play. Yes,they need each other if nothing else but to brag to each other. Besides, they are too broke and will always be in a sub division in the NCAA.

The energy that fuels our enrollments comes from our relationship with each other. We like looking at the  visitors side and seeing folks like us.

The SWAC predates the MEAC by 50 years. For you to argue that it needs the MEAC you just lost all of your HBCU "cred" right there. The SWAC is looking premier right now, especially with the MEAC losing A&T, Hampton, FAMU, and Bethune. The last I check the folks at A&T and Hampton look just like me.

A&T and Hampton are white to him now

Not white, but Uncle Toms. Ya'll are volunteering to go back to the plantation. If ya'll had problems with the MEAC, what do you expect from the Big South? It was your white AD thats taken you out of character. All ya'll pro negros are afraid to buck what you know is wrong. Again, a white man says jump and you jump higher.


Oh my, preach Ram! 
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: AimHigh on July 01, 2020, 11:34:04 PM
I wish the northern MEAC schools would drop to D2 and team up with the northern CIAA schools.

Let's hope Dr. Fredrick doesn't see it the same way.

I already made it known I do not see Howard going D2. Dr. Fredrick has no say in Del. State, Morgan, UMES, and Coppin. Norfolk St. should also be in the MEAC core considering the D2 option. By the way, I wouldn't be surprised if NEC ultimately did not see Del. State as a fit, which is why they stayed. I do not see MEAC expanding into the northeastern region of FCS any time soon, whether the conference or individual schools.

All the chatter about the MEAC's history. MEAC started as a D2 conference that moved up. Let's get back to these roots (although I still see NC Central, SC State and maybe Howard as a better fit in FCS / Big South).

The MEAC is thinking who can move up or move over in FCS to get members. Instead MEAC should be thinking maybe we should drop to D2 to expand and grow the conference. Get out of the box.

Do you think Funding would stay the same if a move to D2 happened

I do not know, but I am certain expenses would decrease with this kind of footprint.

Lincoln
Delaware St.
Morgan St.
Bowie St.
Coppin St.
UMES
Virginia Union
Virginia St.
Norfolk St.
Elizabeth City St.

The CIAA (the Tournament to be exact) holds a lot of weight, and the tournament still brings in significant scholarship money. I don't see the current schools leaving for another D2 league to start over, but I could be wrong.

The MEAC was birth out of CIAA school creating the conference, so it has happened. I do not think its necessarily that CIAA has to join MEAC. It could be that MEAC rejoins CIAA, but I think the remarriage of the two conferences needs to happen with a few exceptions staying DI and looking elsewhere.

"In 1969, a group, whose members were long associated with interscholastic athletics, met in Durham, North Carolina with the purpose of discussing the organization of a new conference. After the formulation of a committee, and their research reported, seven institutions: Delaware State University, Howard University, University of Maryland Eastern Shore, Morgan State University, North Carolina A&T State University, North Carolina Central University and South Carolina State College agreed to become the Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference. South Carolina State had been a longtime member of the Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Conference, while the other charter members had been longtime members of the Central Intercollegiate Athletic Association."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Eastern_Athletic_Conference
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Thinkingaboutit on July 02, 2020, 12:28:16 AM
Remember that time in Durham and the smart folk who formed that conference.  They chose school that would fit  which had perennially been strong Football institutions.   
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Professor on July 02, 2020, 10:01:41 AM
Ram55 yeh it may be that 3 years from now many of the remaining MEAC schools will need to join the CIAA. I do not disagree with that and consider it positive. But the notion that the MEAC is secure is willful blindness.

AimHigh- I truly understand your thought process. Yes, the MEAC is reeling right now. HOWEVER, HBCU sports and the black community can't afford to lose the MEAC. Our two HBCU division I conferences has been functioning as a side division in the NCAA. They need each other like salt and pepper. We need both of them, they are our pillars for cultural and educational needs. I hope we don't let sports mess this up.

How does the SWAC "need" the MEAC?? They are building the premier HBCU D1 conference and I personally LOVE IT! The SWAC Championship will thrive even more without the Celebration Bowl. Morehouse, Spelman, Hampton, Fisk, Tuskegee, and Xavier do not need the MEAC or D1 standing to thrive in serving the cultural and educational needs of black folk. Neither does Howard IMHO.

First off, you can't have a premier with only one to choose from. Secondly, what other than the Celebration Bowl do they have to play for? Who else can they compete with. Thr SWAC don't go to the playoffs, and they lose to every white school they play. Yes,they need each other if nothing else but to brag to each other. Besides, they are too broke and will always be in a sub division in the NCAA.

The energy that fuels our enrollments comes from our relationship with each other. We like looking at the  visitors side and seeing folks like us.

The SWAC predates the MEAC by 50 years. For you to argue that it needs the MEAC you just lost all of your HBCU "cred" right there. The SWAC is looking premier right now, especially with the MEAC losing A&T, Hampton, FAMU, and Bethune. The last I check the folks at A&T and Hampton look just like me.

A&T and Hampton are white to him now

Not white, but Uncle Toms. Ya'll are volunteering to go back to the plantation. If ya'll had problems with the MEAC, what do you expect from the Big South? It was your white AD thats taken you out of character. All ya'll pro negros are afraid to buck what you know is wrong. Again, a white man says jump and you jump higher.

Hmmm Something is wrong at NCA&T ???? Looks that white man is doing a good job with Aggie Athetics

All Sports trophy in Mens and Womens Sports
Winning records in all sports except Softball
Top 25 Football team
Top 15 Track program
Leader in MEAC Football Attendance
Coach of the year in Men's Basketball in 18 and 19

Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: punchy on July 02, 2020, 11:23:54 AM
I don't know why there is talk of CIAA schools moving up. They are not interested, and the MEAC dayum sure don't need any half assed attempts. So we need to just roll with the 6 remaining football schools and 8 for basketball. Meanwhile, we'll watch how A&T and Hampton fares in the Big South. I think there will be some interesting battles with Kennesaw State and Charleston Southern and Monmouth and North Alabama.
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: JAG89 on July 02, 2020, 11:50:45 AM
Ram55 claims to have two problems, which are: 1) A&T and Hampton joining the PWC the Big South, and 2) the SWAC and MEAC remaining DI conferences.  But his real argument is that all DI HBCUs should join his school on the DII level, which his school seems to be struggling to maintain its DII status.  I guess if WSSU drops down to the DIII level, his argument would broaden to all DI and DII HBCUs should drop down to the DIII level. His regressive philosophy is the only solution for the survival of HBCU athletics.
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: ALMIGHTY on July 02, 2020, 11:55:42 AM
I don't know why there is talk of CIAA schools moving up. They are not interested, and the MEAC dayum sure don't need any half assed attempts. So we need to just roll with the 6 remaining football schools and 8 for basketball. Meanwhile, we'll watch how A&T and Hampton fares in the Big South. I think there will be some interesting battles with Kennesaw State and Charleston Southern and Monmouth and North Alabama.
A&T is going run through this conference. Kennesaw will be the only comp in football until HIU get back going.

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Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: EPJr on July 02, 2020, 12:38:19 PM
Again, if Coppin State and UMES had restarted their FCS football teams, the makeup and shakeup would be looking a lot different....and less desperate.  IJS  :shrug:
they need to join a NE hoops conference. The let's start a FB program train has left the station a while ago.
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: EPJr on July 02, 2020, 12:44:41 PM
nope we good
the CI don't need to board that sinking ship
for years you have been looking down your nose at the CI
as if we were somehow inferior.
now you wanna come back knocking on big mama door for help.  :nono2:

Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: JBROB on July 02, 2020, 12:57:33 PM
Any CIAA teams that would like to play baseball, call the office in Virginia Beach.
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Professor on July 02, 2020, 02:14:50 PM
I don't know why there is talk of CIAA schools moving up. They are not interested, and the MEAC dayum sure don't need any half assed attempts. So we need to just roll with the 6 remaining football schools and 8 for basketball. Meanwhile, we'll watch how A&T and Hampton fares in the Big South. I think there will be some interesting battles with Kennesaw State and Charleston Southern and Monmouth and North Alabama.

I think MEAC is gonna be ok, now those OOC games are gonna be tough but have no choice with 5 conference games.

A&T only has Kennesaw St and Monmouth to be concerned with. We already beat Charleston and N. Alabama is learning the difference from D2 to FCS.
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Professor on July 02, 2020, 02:18:20 PM
Ram55 claims to have two problems, which are: 1) A&T and Hampton joining the PWC the Big South, and 2) the SWAC and MEAC remaining DI conferences.  But his real argument is that all DI HBCUs should join his school on the DII level, which his school seems to be struggling to maintain its DII status.  I guess if WSSU drops down to the DIII level, his argument would broaden to all DI and DII HBCUs should drop down to the DIII level. His regressive philosophy is the only solution for the survival of HBCU athletics.

Great analysis
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: eagle pride on July 02, 2020, 02:20:29 PM
I don't know why there is talk of CIAA schools moving up. They are not interested, and the MEAC dayum sure don't need any half assed attempts. So we need to just roll with the 6 remaining football schools and 8 for basketball. Meanwhile, we'll watch how A&T and Hampton fares in the Big South. I think there will be some interesting battles with Kennesaw State and Charleston Southern and Monmouth and North Alabama.


I agree.  We need to forget a CIAA team moving up and a&t or Hampton coming back.  Let's move forward improving on our scholarships and fan interest.  My question now is, which band is going to run the MEAC?  :shrug:  Wake up Sound Machine.  :snicker
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Thinkingaboutit on July 02, 2020, 08:58:09 PM
I don't give a dayum about who got this or that type band.  Winning the game, not the half time is what fans want.  Get me a team and the resulting lift of winning  will create the auxiliaries of game day.  If losing, ain't nobody gonna pay $$$$$ to watch a band. 
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Ram55 on July 02, 2020, 09:58:12 PM
I don't give a dayum about who got this or that type band.  Winning the game, not the half time is what fans want.  Get me a team and the resulting lift of winning  will create the auxiliaries of game day.  If losing, ain't nobody gonna pay $$$$$ to watch a band.
Go sit down.  Its obvious Eagle Pride's comments about the bands was just an attempt to calm the air about what's happening to the MEAC. He's simply trying to say everything is going to be ok. Besides, people do come for the bands...just ask the SWAC.
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: eagle pride on July 02, 2020, 10:12:37 PM
I don't give a dayum about who got this or that type band.  Winning the game, not the half time is what fans want.  Get me a team and the resulting lift of winning  will create the auxiliaries of game day.  If losing, ain't nobody gonna pay $$$$$ to watch a band.
Go sit down.  Its obvious Eagle Pride's comments about the bands was just an attempt to calm the air about what's happening to the MEAC. He's simply trying to say everything is going to be ok. Besides, people do come for the bands...just ask the SWAC.


You are 100% correct.  Not sure why he came at me like that.  He is also wrong that folks don't pay $$$ to see the band.  We need to make sure that we as a conference are improving in all areas of the experience.  Oh, and do the research.  Leaders of attendance in the MEAC and SWAC have excellent marching bands. 
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Thinkingaboutit on July 03, 2020, 09:27:47 AM
I make contribution to our band.  However, I don't pay all that money we pay on gameday to watch them perform since I'm typically out getting refreshments before and during the half.  Bands are valued by many including those who travel to the Battle of Bands etc.  Some like NASCAR and will sit all day looking at cars go around and around the oval.  Good there are those who like different things, however, establishing an athletic program at my school with funding a large band first, hoping to create a large following and not the teams is putting the cart before the horse.  Winning programs, especially football will work best for all and the rest will follow. Nothing against the band which has quality sound and performed well when I've seen them  but lack in numbers for a HBCU the size of NCCU but since I have been associated that has been the norm excepting the Ammons era which was probably the best.  They had more money.  Not against a band at all, excepting rebuilding our football team, like an incoming tide, will raise all boats in the bay including the band.  That is just MHO.  Y'all can fuss about it, all you want.  Most who fuss, don't even make contributions,   :bow:
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Vegas Viking on July 03, 2020, 12:03:36 PM
nope we good
the CI don't need to board that sinking ship
for years you have been looking down your nose at the CI
as if we were somehow inferior.
now you wanna come back knocking on big mama door for help.  :nono2:

Exactly. Meanwhile the "Church League" is still standing.
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Ram55 on July 03, 2020, 12:15:56 PM
I don't give a dayum about who got this or that type band.  Winning the game, not the half time is what fans want.  Get me a team and the resulting lift of winning  will create the auxiliaries of game day.  If losing, ain't nobody gonna pay $$$$$ to watch a band.
Go sit down.  Its obvious Eagle Pride's comments about the bands was just an attempt to calm the air about what's happening to the MEAC. He's simply trying to say everything is going to be ok. Besides, people do come for the bands...just ask the SWAC.


You are 100% correct.  Not sure why he came at me like that.  He is also wrong that folks don't pay $$$ to see the band.  We need to make sure that we as a conference are improving in all areas of the experience.  Oh, and do the research.  Leaders of attendance in the MEAC and SWAC have excellent marching bands.

Eagle Pride.- I know we are rivals on the fields. However,  I really admire how you and the other birds are handling this situation. Glass is.what I  see. Just stay strong. The.MEAC.will be.fine. its best to have schools that what to be a part than some that don't
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Thinkingaboutit on July 03, 2020, 02:56:09 PM
I don't know where this "looking down at the CIAA" came from excepting a few on this board.  Never heard it at NCCU excepting when person say "we are all in the same boat"  NO   "We are all the same"  YES,        Programs have to maintain certain sports to remain as members unless an associate member.  Some CIAA members say they don't want be in a conference that is drowning (MEAC)   GOOD.    Don't worry , there are only one or two schools capable of making that leap.  There is nothing wrong with D2 if that is your aspiration in assemblage of institutions in a conference of comparable  academic , research and athletic ambitions including growth in programs and enrollment.  Those aforementioned are foundations all conferences aspire when courting new members.  [/b]NCCU has been courted by PWI.   We have faith in ourselves collectively  producing and achieving and  pulling up our own bootstraps.   If you miss the jist then okay.  Some understand and others hate.   If  A&T FAMU BCU and HU moving to a new neighborhood make you feel put down.  Sorry  to the bottom of a heart as can be as to the CIAA and its choices since there is no dog of mine in those fights.   I'll remain in my lane.  Hoping all reach their highest ambitions and highest potential.  If having an inferiority complex about anythings happening  on another campus causing 55 posts, its YOU not your institution.
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: punchy on July 03, 2020, 10:10:43 PM
I don't know where this "looking down at the CIAA" came from excepting a few on this board.  Never heard it at NCCU excepting when person say "we are all in the same boat"  NO   "We are all the same"  YES,        Programs have to maintain certain sports to remain as members unless an associate member.  Some CIAA members say they don't want be in a conference that is drowning (MEAC)   GOOD.    Don't worry , there are only one or two schools capable of making that leap.  There is nothing wrong with D2 if that is your aspiration in assemblage of institutions in a conference of comparable  academic , research and athletic ambitions including growth in programs and enrollment.  Those aforementioned are foundations all conferences aspire when courting new members.  [/b]NCCU has been courted by PWI.   We have faith in ourselves collectively  producing and achieving and  pulling up our own bootstraps.   If you miss the jist then okay.  Some understand and others hate.   If  A&T FAMU BCU and HU moving to a new neighborhood make you feel put down.  Sorry  to the bottom of a heart as can be as to the CIAA and its choices since there is no dog of mine in those fights.   I'll remain in my lane.  Hoping all reach their highest ambitions and highest potential.  If having an inferiority complex about anythings happing on another campus causing 50 posts, its YOU not your institution.

Hall of FAME. Nobody's looking down on D2 or the CIAA. It's all good. As I stated earlier, nobody's begging a CIAA school to join our ranks. I think we will be JUST FINE.  In 2021-2022, no Florida trips for any of our football/basketball/Olympic sports teams, all schools within a 6-8 hour bus ride or less from each other, a bigger slice of the CB bowl pie for each team in 2021-2022, more options to play more out of conference teams for football and basketball,,,,,,,,,yeah,,,,,,,I think we'll be JUST FINE.
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Thinkingaboutit on July 04, 2020, 07:51:35 AM
The amazing thing is when you step back and view new opportunities, why not be positive.  The conference, despite those leaving ,remain abundant with growing Carnegie level institutions remaining targets of PWC in invitations.  We will be fine and surely rebuild despite this potholes of surprises facing  the commissioner  this past quarter.  What worries me more is this pandemic (Covid 19 )
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: JBROB on July 04, 2020, 10:40:06 AM
Create a partnership! If the CIAA has a member that wants to play a sport that the CIAA doesn't sponsor they can play it in the MEAC. A Division II school can play one Division I sport.
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: ALMIGHTY on July 04, 2020, 03:50:21 PM
I wish the northern MEAC schools would drop to D2 and team up with the northern CIAA schools.
:lmao:
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Vegas Viking on July 04, 2020, 06:13:08 PM
I don't know where this "looking down at the CIAA" came from excepting a few on this board.  Never heard it at NCCU excepting when person say "we are all in the same boat"  NO   "We are all the same"  YES,        Programs have to maintain certain sports to remain as members unless an associate member.  Some CIAA members say they don't want be in a conference that is drowning (MEAC)   GOOD.    Don't worry , there are only one or two schools capable of making that leap.  There is nothing wrong with D2 if that is your aspiration in assemblage of institutions in a conference of comparable  academic , research and athletic ambitions including growth in programs and enrollment.  Those aforementioned are foundations all conferences aspire when courting new members.  [/b]NCCU has been courted by PWI.   We have faith in ourselves collectively  producing and achieving and  pulling up our own bootstraps.   If you miss the jist then okay.  Some understand and others hate.   If  A&T FAMU BCU and HU moving to a new neighborhood make you feel put down.  Sorry  to the bottom of a heart as can be as to the CIAA and its choices since there is no dog of mine in those fights.   I'll remain in my lane.  Hoping all reach their highest ambitions and highest potential.  If having an inferiority complex about anythings happening  on another campus causing 55 posts, its YOU not your institution.

It isn't surprising you're the first to respond seeing how you've been called out on more than one occasion for having a superiority complex.  You've even cosigned the "Church League" moniker here:

https://onnidan1.com/forum/index.php?topic=94165.msg765712#msg765712
Went to the game and left after the half.   Too windy and a light drizzle was a bit much.  Mother U fans remained in a warm bed or watched political commercials rather than support the Bears.   They didn't have 300 (and that's pushing it) fans on the home side and WSSU had many vehicles and about 6 buses. Can't be price, because they charged eleven bucks to enter.  $11.00.  Bill Hayes got in hot water once  for parroting a comment from an old friend in jest, and a reporter printed it when referring to CIAA as CHURCH INTERCOLLEGIATE ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION.  Leon Kerry fined him.   But in the long run, Bill was right.  A small 20 miles or less trip and 250-300 show support at a home game.  Shaw has QB issues and were outclassed by WSSU today.  Boulware has more talent - especially at QB.
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Thinkingaboutit on July 04, 2020, 07:33:57 PM
Correct.  Bill HAYES was fined by Leon Kerry for the church moniker relative to the  CIAA        :lol:                It was spoken in jest by him IMO but offended Kerry.  I attended that game and appalled at the low turnout for Shaw U,  and the attendance was factual not a put down.  I must add when Shaw play NCCU at NCCU they show up.   Now what happens with the CIAA is their business and that was a long time ago.  I'd have to look up who won what in the last year being far removed in not attending what was once an annual ritual, the CIAA tournament.  The only contacts are  this board.   Typically we play SAU or Shaw, which really isn't a rivalry but a friendly get-together of  neighborly fans from local schools and a good payday for both.  Behind the scenes, NCCU will do whatever it can for both institutions in any manner because of close relationships with  staff at each school.        :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:  I forgot that moniker.     :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:  Read it again,  2014   :nod: :nod:  but told the truth. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:2014 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:  You made my day    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Ram55 on July 05, 2020, 08:17:34 PM
I don't know where this "looking down at the CIAA" came from excepting a few on this board.  Never heard it at NCCU excepting when person say "we are all in the same boat"  NO   "We are all the same"  YES,        Programs have to maintain certain sports to remain as members unless an associate member.  Some CIAA members say they don't want be in a conference that is drowning (MEAC)   GOOD.    Don't worry , there are only one or two schools capable of making that leap.  There is nothing wrong with D2 if that is your aspiration in assemblage of institutions in a conference of comparable  academic , research and athletic ambitions including growth in programs and enrollment.  Those aforementioned are foundations all conferences aspire when courting new members.  [/b]NCCU has been courted by PWI.   We have faith in ourselves collectively  producing and achieving and  pulling up our own bootstraps.   If you miss the jist then okay.  Some understand and others hate.   If  A&T FAMU BCU and HU moving to a new neighborhood make you feel put down.  Sorry  to the bottom of a heart as can be as to the CIAA and its choices since there is no dog of mine in those fights.   I'll remain in my lane.  Hoping all reach their highest ambitions and highest potential.  If having an inferiority complex about anythings happening  on another campus causing 55 posts, its YOU not your institution.

It isn't surprising you're the first to respond seeing how you've been called out on more than one occasion for having a superiority complex.  You've even cosigned the "Church League" moniker here:

https://onnidan1.com/forum/index.php?topic=94165.msg765712#msg765712
Went to the game and left after the half.   Too windy and a light drizzle was a bit much.  Mother U fans remained in a warm bed or watched political commercials rather than support the Bears.   They didn't have 300 (and that's pushing it) fans on the home side and WSSU had many vehicles and about 6 buses. Can't be price, because they charged eleven bucks to enter.  $11.00.  Bill Hayes got in hot water once  for parroting a comment from an old friend in jest, and a reporter printed it when referring to CIAA as CHURCH INTERCOLLEGIATE ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION.  Leon Kerry fined him.   But in the long run, Bill was right.  A small 20 miles or less trip and 250-300 show support at a home game.  Shaw has QB issues and were outclassed by WSSU today.  Boulware has more talent - especially at QB.
Now he's going to play both sides. He's the only bird that.does this. Most of the time he's worshipping those sellouts A&T. He acts like NCCU is this monster DI school and they're doing CIAA schools a favor for playing them. He can't see that other than that Sellout University, the CIAA is their biggest rivals.
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Thinkingaboutit on July 05, 2020, 09:15:46 PM
'MOI'   WOW this is amazing.   Your thirst for trifling trills hoping I assuage past pains of lost leaps (what-which ever) may need serious looking into from those trained in that area.  I have several MD's in my family but for physical maladies only which probably won't fit your need.   You need not worry about every move others (conferences) make  with calls for boycotting games and refusal to play as punishment for leaving your perceived status quo of what all HBCU's should imagine themselves based on your mindset of growth that you consider successful.   Look, schools eliminating programs are in NEED OF CONSULTANTS, one of which is in YOUR lane.  If they dismissed your suggestions which upsets your psyche, CHILL.  If you are currently on meds, take the PILL.   No shame.  These post are opinions. It's not this serious.  After the sermon I heard online today.   God Bless You. :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: punchy on July 06, 2020, 12:27:20 PM
'MOI'   WOW this is amazing.   Your thirst for trifling trills hoping I assuage past pains of lost leaps (what-which ever) may need serious looking into from those trained in that area.  I have several MD's in my family but for physical maladies only which probably won't fit your need.   You need not worry about every move others (conferences) make  with calls for boycotting games and refusal to play as punishment for leaving your perceived status quo of what all HBCU's should imagine themselves based on your mindset of growth that you consider successful.   Look, schools eliminating programs are in NEED OF CONSULTANTS, one of which is in YOUR lane.  If they dismissed your suggestions which upsets your psyche, CHILL.  If you are currently on meds, take the PILL.   No shame.  These post are opinions. It's not this serious.  After the sermon I heard online today.   God Bless You. :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

 :o  well DAYUM,,,,, :popcorn:
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Ram55 on July 06, 2020, 03:08:36 PM
'MOI'   WOW this is amazing.   Your thirst for trifling trills hoping I assuage past pains of lost leaps (what-which ever) may need serious looking into from those trained in that area.  I have several MD's in my family but for physical maladies only which probably won't fit your need.   You need not worry about every move others (conferences) make  with calls for boycotting games and refusal to play as punishment for leaving your perceived status quo of what all HBCU's should imagine themselves based on your mindset of growth that you consider successful.   Look, schools eliminating programs are in NEED OF CONSULTANTS, one of which is in YOUR lane.  If they dismissed your suggestions which upsets your psyche, CHILL.  If you are currently on meds, take the PILL.   No shame.  These post are opinions. It's not this serious.  After the sermon I heard online today.   God Bless You. :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

 :o  well DAYUM,,,,, :popcorn:

Did anybody understand anything this F%$#El just said?
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Ram55 on July 06, 2020, 03:10:16 PM
'MOI'   WOW this is amazing.   Your thirst for trifling trills hoping I assuage past pains of lost leaps (what-which ever) may need serious looking into from those trained in that area.  I have several MD's in my family but for physical maladies only which probably won't fit your need.   You need not worry about every move others (conferences) make  with calls for boycotting games and refusal to play as punishment for leaving your perceived status quo of what all HBCU's should imagine themselves based on your mindset of growth that you consider successful.   Look, schools eliminating programs are in NEED OF CONSULTANTS, one of which is in YOUR lane.  If they dismissed your suggestions which upsets your psyche, CHILL.  If you are currently on meds, take the PILL.   No shame.  These post are opinions. It's not this serious.  After the sermon I heard online today.   God Bless You. :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

You need to stop listening to sermons you don't understand and look at the movie "12 years a slave". God is not responsible for your ignorance.
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: punchy on July 06, 2020, 03:54:20 PM
'MOI'   WOW this is amazing.   Your thirst for trifling trills hoping I assuage past pains of lost leaps (what-which ever) may need serious looking into from those trained in that area.  I have several MD's in my family but for physical maladies only which probably won't fit your need.   You need not worry about every move others (conferences) make  with calls for boycotting games and refusal to play as punishment for leaving your perceived status quo of what all HBCU's should imagine themselves based on your mindset of growth that you consider successful.   Look, schools eliminating programs are in NEED OF CONSULTANTS, one of which is in YOUR lane.  If they dismissed your suggestions which upsets your psyche, CHILL.  If you are currently on meds, take the PILL.   No shame.  These post are opinions. It's not this serious.  After the sermon I heard online today.   God Bless You. :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

 :o  well DAYUM,,,,, :popcorn:

Did anybody understand anything this F%$#El just said?

I did. He just basically told yall in other words, that his opinion is his opinion, in a nutshell! And if yall read anything into that, other than that, yall have serious mental issues!  :lmao:
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Professor on July 06, 2020, 04:21:05 PM
'MOI'   WOW this is amazing.   Your thirst for trifling trills hoping I assuage past pains of lost leaps (what-which ever) may need serious looking into from those trained in that area.  I have several MD's in my family but for physical maladies only which probably won't fit your need.   You need not worry about every move others (conferences) make  with calls for boycotting games and refusal to play as punishment for leaving your perceived status quo of what all HBCU's should imagine themselves based on your mindset of growth that you consider successful.   Look, schools eliminating programs are in NEED OF CONSULTANTS, one of which is in YOUR lane.  If they dismissed your suggestions which upsets your psyche, CHILL.  If you are currently on meds, take the PILL.   No shame.  These post are opinions. It's not this serious.  After the sermon I heard online today.   God Bless You. :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

Church
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: Ram55 on July 06, 2020, 04:40:31 PM
'MOI'   WOW this is amazing.   Your thirst for trifling trills hoping I assuage past pains of lost leaps (what-which ever) may need serious looking into from those trained in that area.  I have several MD's in my family but for physical maladies only which probably won't fit your need.   You need not worry about every move others (conferences) make  with calls for boycotting games and refusal to play as punishment for leaving your perceived status quo of what all HBCU's should imagine themselves based on your mindset of growth that you consider successful.   Look, schools eliminating programs are in NEED OF CONSULTANTS, one of which is in YOUR lane.  If they dismissed your suggestions which upsets your psyche, CHILL.  If you are currently on meds, take the PILL.   No shame.  These post are opinions. It's not this serious.  After the sermon I heard online today.   God Bless You. :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

 :o  well DAYUM,,,,, :popcorn:

Did anybody understand anything this F%$#El just said?

I did. He just basically told yall in other words, that his opinion is his opinion, in a nutshell! And if yall read anything into that, other than that, yall have serious mental issues!  :lmao:

I'm just glade he attended A&T instead of WSSU.
Title: Re: Expansion is the talk with CIAA and MEAC....
Post by: punchy on July 06, 2020, 11:00:34 PM
'MOI'   WOW this is amazing.   Your thirst for trifling trills hoping I assuage past pains of lost leaps (what-which ever) may need serious looking into from those trained in that area.  I have several MD's in my family but for physical maladies only which probably won't fit your need.   You need not worry about every move others (conferences) make  with calls for boycotting games and refusal to play as punishment for leaving your perceived status quo of what all HBCU's should imagine themselves based on your mindset of growth that you consider successful.   Look, schools eliminating programs are in NEED OF CONSULTANTS, one of which is in YOUR lane.  If they dismissed your suggestions which upsets your psyche, CHILL.  If you are currently on meds, take the PILL.   No shame.  These post are opinions. It's not this serious.  After the sermon I heard online today.   God Bless You. :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

 :o  well DAYUM,,,,, :popcorn:

Did anybody understand anything this F%$#El just said?

I did. He just basically told yall in other words, that his opinion is his opinion, in a nutshell! And if yall read anything into that, other than that, yall have serious mental issues!  :lmao:

I'm just glade he attended A&T instead of WSSU.


 :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: