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Title: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: klg14 on March 25, 2020, 05:40:06 PM
...Alabama. We Just Lost One, One.

Which brings me back to my nephew. When we started having college conversations we talked (and I talked with his mother about) his college choices. He was going to apply to Morehouse and Howard University, the University of Alabama, the University of Alabama-Birmingham and Tuskegee University, among others. He did what he was supposed to do. His GPA was 3.8. He took his ACT (even took it the final time on the day of Morehouse College’s homecoming tailgate during the morning and came out to see the experience in the afternoon) and got a 30. He’s a state-qualifying track athlete.
https://verysmartbrothas.theroot.com/my-nephew-wanted-to-go-to-morehouse-college-hes-going-1842486209?
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: y04185 on March 25, 2020, 05:58:13 PM
Interesting
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: Neymar on March 25, 2020, 08:04:22 PM
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At roughly $50,000 a year, you truly have to ask yourself the question: Is potentially owing almost $100,000 in student loans (assuming your grades are good enough to get the maximum $25,000 per year that Morehouse can provide and you stay on campus all four years) worth it to attend Morehouse?

No.

Also you arent keeping that max 25k scholarship. They'll always find a reason to decrease the amount they give you.

2x I had mine decreased to help out "other" lower income students in the name of community. I heard that went to give admin bigger bonuses(What I heard...I am not able to 100% confirm this). What I did see however was everybody getting more and more loans and everybody graduating in debt.

Im 30 and am still paying these loans. I cant afford a wife,kids, or a house the way other 30 year olds can.

Let my experience be an example to every other kid.
Going 100k in debt for an undergrad degree is a BAD choice.
Picking Morehouse/Any other Private non IVY school for undergrad when your parents are not rich WILL set you back a decade.

If you are rich already? Go ahead. Have mommy and daddy foot the bill, but you dont know what a 5,6,7 hundred dollar a month student loan bill will do to your life. If you can spend less than 50k getting a degree, which most in state schools will afford you, then do that. It will put you so far ahead in life.
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: cee dog on March 25, 2020, 10:42:43 PM
White colleges and universities are using funding from the government to get black students. The lawsuit money given to HBCUs in these southern states were just a front for this to happen. When white folks give black Peta dollar you better keep your good eye on them to see where the other dollar is going.
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: ‘87 Alum on March 25, 2020, 10:59:51 PM
Shoot....my twins get 3-4 emails per week from BAMA trying to entice them...

Here’s one from today....


Given the recent changes in travel and the opportunity to gather in large groups, we wanted to continue giving students and families ways to learn about UA Early College, even outside of regular school events and visits.

We invite you to join us for one of our 30-minute Zoom sessions hosted this Thursday, March 26! Click the link below for the time that works best in your schedule and log on to learn more about this premier academic program available to high school students around the world.
 

UAEC Info Session via Zoom - 10:00 AM (Central Time)
Click to join!

UAEC Info Session via Zoom - 12:00 PM (Central Time)
Click to join!

 UAEC Info Session via Zoom - 2:00 PM (Central Time)
Click to join!

We hope to see you online soon to learn more about your opportunity to earn college credit while in high school through The University of Alabama!
 

UA Early College
The University of Alabama
earlycollege@ua.edu | 205-348-7083
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: y04185 on March 26, 2020, 05:46:19 AM
Shoot....my twins get 3-4 emails per week from BAMA trying to entice them...

Here’s one from today....


Given the recent changes in travel and the opportunity to gather in large groups, we wanted to continue giving students and families ways to learn about UA Early College, even outside of regular school events and visits.

We invite you to join us for one of our 30-minute Zoom sessions hosted this Thursday, March 26! Click the link below for the time that works best in your schedule and log on to learn more about this premier academic program available to high school students around the world.
 

UAEC Info Session via Zoom - 10:00 AM (Central Time)
Click to join!

UAEC Info Session via Zoom - 12:00 PM (Central Time)
Click to join!

 UAEC Info Session via Zoom - 2:00 PM (Central Time)
Click to join!

We hope to see you online soon to learn more about your opportunity to earn college credit while in high school through The University of Alabama!
 

UA Early College
The University of Alabama
earlycollege@ua.edu | 205-348-7083

What are HBCUs doing for your twins?
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: Bison 4 Life on March 26, 2020, 05:58:57 PM
I have had several relative who attended Bama. Outside of football , they rarely talk about their day to day experience going their. :shrug:
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: ncsiacfan on March 27, 2020, 12:51:45 AM
Thank you for bringing this issue up. Some 31 years ago, my son would only answer feelers from Morehouse and Hampton. He had been in schools with a white majority all of his life and I wondered why, but never asked him. He choose Morehouse which offered him nothing financially. For the next four years, he would ask me "dad arn't you proud of me, I choose your alma mata and you never encouraged me do do so. Naturally I answered yes son, I am very proud you. What I was thinking is he could go to NCCU for four years  for what Morehouse is costing me for one.

Before you eagles jump on me, I always considered NCCU to be good school. He finished with honors and was on the honor roll every semester. I remembered reading of athletes at Georgia Tech being given academic scholarships and coming off their athletic scholarships for making good grades. I had expected that Morehouse would do something like that and they never did. A white colleague had said to me in the beginning, "you are a Morehouse graduate, your brother is a Morehouse graduate, your uncle is a Morehouse graduate, Morehouse is not going to give your son a scholarship." "They know that you will kill yourself to keep him there". And he was correct.

More than that, over the years I have begun to wonder if it is a plan. Spelman College is loaded with applicants from smart young women from middle to upper middle class and above black families who can afford to pay. If one drops out for a better financial package from  another college, it really does not matter. And their in school and graduation rates remain very high as well as their academic standing. There may be fewer black males out there, but I really do believe that Spelman is the Morehouse model.
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: Ivan on March 27, 2020, 11:30:31 AM
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At roughly $50,000 a year, you truly have to ask yourself the question: Is potentially owing almost $100,000 in student loans (assuming your grades are good enough to get the maximum $25,000 per year that Morehouse can provide and you stay on campus all four years) worth it to attend Morehouse?

No.

Also you arent keeping that max 25k scholarship. They'll always find a reason to decrease the amount they give you.

2x I had mine decreased to help out "other" lower income students in the name of community. I heard that went to give admin bigger bonuses(What I heard...I am not able to 100% confirm this). What I did see however was everybody getting more and more loans and everybody graduating in debt.

Im 30 and am still paying these loans. I cant afford a wife,kids, or a house the way other 30 year olds can.

Let my experience be an example to every other kid.
Going 100k in debt for an undergrad degree is a BAD choice.
Picking Morehouse/Any other Private non IVY school for undergrad when your parents are not rich WILL set you back a decade.

If you are rich already? Go ahead. Have mommy and daddy foot the bill, but you dont know what a 5,6,7 hundred dollar a month student loan bill will do to your life. If you can spend less than 50k getting a degree, which most in state schools will afford you, then do that. It will put you so far ahead in life.

Ya know, I really can't disagree with what Neymar is saying here. I wouldn't encourage anyone go into $100K in debt for an undergrad degree.............................even from my alma mater. I am the chair of the recruiting committee for the Greater Los Angeles Morehouse Alumni Association and I must admit, it IS hard to justify to parents why a student should go into that much debt. One thing I will admit, when Walter Massey was the president this wasn't as big of a problem as it is now. Although I didn't particularly like him as the president he has been THE BEST president we've had the past 25 years at raising money for the school.................which resulted in more scholarship money being available. President Thomas has yet to display that skill.............although it's still early.

Two things I think the school should do.................

1. We are a tuition dependent institution. Raise the enrollment back up to around 3,000 students, like it was when I was there.

2. Get rid of the ridiculous requirement that you have to spend your first three years living on campus. I thought that was a bad idea when Wilson instituted it, and it has resulted in many students not being able to afford to attend, and many of the students graduating with much more debt, as Neymar has stated.
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: ncsiacfan on March 27, 2020, 01:23:45 PM
Ivan a few minutes ago, I emailed my son with the same comments that you made about both Presidents Thomas and Wilson. I never knew what the conflict was between Wilson and the
Previous head of the board of Trustees. I knew that President Wilson  had a son at Stanford while Board Chairman Davidson who lives in Pasadena, California, sent three sons and significant financial contributions to Morehouse.  The Atlanta Constitution-Journal called the three year campus rule a money making scheme. I think that Spelman has that requirement also. I am not certain. I know they have always required seniors to live on campus. President Thomas appears to be quite comfortable with that requirement however.
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: ‘87 Alum on March 27, 2020, 01:33:25 PM
I simply don’t want to know the inflated loan amounts in today’s terms some of them dudes @ Skegee had. We had some cats that said were on the presidential plan, they proceeded President PAYTON when I got there. They pledged (one was KAψ and the other ΚΚΦ) in the mid 70’s, were still there when I got there in 82 and when I graduated in 87. And before y’all pile on, yeah, they were pursuing undergrad degrees.
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: j1908 on March 27, 2020, 02:19:59 PM
^^^^^What?????
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: Ivan on March 27, 2020, 02:25:01 PM
Ivan a few minutes ago, I emailed my son with the same comments that you made about both Presidents Thomas and Wilson. I never knew what the conflict was between Wilson and the
Previous head of the board of Trustees. I knew that President Wilson  had a son at Stanford while Board Chairman Davidson who lives in Pasadena, California, sent three sons and significant financial contributions to Morehouse.  The Atlanta Constitution-Journal called the three year campus rule a money making scheme. I think that Spelman has that requirement also. I am not certain. I know they have always required seniors to live on campus. President Thomas appears to be quite comfortable with that requirement however.

There's never been a requirement, to my knowledge, that SENIORS had to live on campus. I do remember that FRESHMEN did, however. I NEVER lived on campus myself because I transferred in to Morehouse from a community college. They didn't require that I or any other seniors had to stay on campus.

In regards to the residency rule.........................I do think at some point, Morehouse is gonna have to give that up. I think our pool of applicants is actually smaller than Spelman's. So, I don't see how that will be sustainable in the future.
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: Jay_Thomas on March 27, 2020, 02:35:12 PM
Two things I think the school should do.................

1. We are a tuition dependent institution. Raise the enrollment back up to around 3,000 students, like it was when I was there.

2. Get rid of the ridiculous requirement that you have to spend your first three years living on campus. I thought that was a bad idea when Wilson instituted it, and it has resulted in many students not being able to afford to attend, and many of the students graduating with much more debt, as Neymar has stated.




Bruh been saying this ever since Dr.Franklin took enrollment back down to 2300-2600.  I think that I understand why he did it and the circumstances around it; its just never a smart move to LOWER enrollment especially for a SMALL PRIVATE HBCU. We were well OVER 3,000 students...close to 3500 if I recall.   ::)


AND THAT RIDICULOUS REQUIREMENT FOR everyone except upperclassmen to stay ON CAMPUS is pure bullchit. Heyal, I never stayed on campus. WHY should my dad pay for room and board when he was already paying for it AT HOME- ridiculous. And yeah, I call it a straight scam too.

Was never impressed with Wilson....I'm trying to reserve comments on Thomas and give him some time to turn it around......but....
  ::) :shrug:
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: ncsiacfan on March 27, 2020, 09:33:07 PM
I was referring to seniors at Spelman, not seniors at Morehouse. That was one reason my sister chose to attend old Clark College and not Spelman.
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: Bison 4 Life on March 28, 2020, 10:05:58 AM
I'm not a Morehouse grad, but my father and ten relatives are going back to the late 1910's/early 20's to as most recently 2018. So Morehouse is  the school of choice on my fathers side of the family. My father was very active in the DC alumni  from the 50's until his death in some capacity.

That being said this is my take. First the school and its alumni must  raise the endowment.All of our schools must that but at this point Morehouse endowment should be double its current amount. Second what is the current relationship with Coke a Cola? They used to provide a substantial amount .I know a recent prez tried something different. The business end of the school ie bringing in donors may have flagged some.That needs to changed so brother who went to Bama can instead choose Morehouse.



Also why are Black parents getting sticker shock on college costs?? Why aren't we savings from birth instead of waiting until the child is in their junior year of high school only to discover college is expensive. :shrug:
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: y04185 on March 28, 2020, 10:07:51 AM
Ivan a few minutes ago, I emailed my son with the same comments that you made about both Presidents Thomas and Wilson. I never knew what the conflict was between Wilson and the
Previous head of the board of Trustees. I knew that President Wilson  had a son at Stanford while Board Chairman Davidson who lives in Pasadena, California, sent three sons and significant financial contributions to Morehouse.  The Atlanta Constitution-Journal called the three year campus rule a money making scheme. I think that Spelman has that requirement also. I am not certain. I know they have always required seniors to live on campus. President Thomas appears to be quite comfortable with that requirement however.

My ex graduated from Spelman.  She never stayed on campus. 
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: Neymar on March 28, 2020, 12:03:16 PM

Also why are Black parents getting sticker shock on college costs?? Why aren't we savings from birth instead of waiting until the child is in their junior year of high school only to discover college is expensive. :shrug:

Because when they were younger colleges were A LOT cheaper.

Also lets get real black income is in no way able to compensate saving for colleges on top of the already insane expenses in terms of housing,childcare, and their own student loans.
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: Bison 4 Life on March 28, 2020, 12:45:51 PM

Also why are Black parents getting sticker shock on college costs?? Why aren't we savings from birth instead of waiting until the child is in their junior year of high school only to discover college is expensive. :shrug:

Because when they were younger colleges were A LOT cheaper.

Also lets get real black income is in no way able to compensate saving for colleges on top of the already insane expenses in terms of housing,childcare, and their own student loans.

That is true. Now what I'm about to say may ruffle some feathers but here goes. I can one can trace the rise in college costs with the flattening of wages. So lets say in the mid 80's a couple may is blue collar wife is a school teacher. They could pay for or support a child going thru. Remove the manufacturing job and the teacher salary has not changes.  Wages have not kept pace with costs and the removal of Pell Grants are where we are now.
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: Neymar on March 28, 2020, 12:58:01 PM

Also why are Black parents getting sticker shock on college costs?? Why aren't we savings from birth instead of waiting until the child is in their junior year of high school only to discover college is expensive. :shrug:

Because when they were younger colleges were A LOT cheaper.

Also lets get real black income is in no way able to compensate saving for colleges on top of the already insane expenses in terms of housing,childcare, and their own student loans.

That is true. Now what I'm about to say may ruffle some feathers but here goes. I can one can trace the rise in college costs with the flattening of wages. So lets say in the mid 80's a couple may is blue collar wife is a school teacher. They could pay for or support a child going thru. Remove the manufacturing job and the teacher salary has not changes.  Wages have not kept pace with costs and the removal of Pell Grants are where we are now.

Wages is real.

By my math even entertaining the though of paying for your kids education will require both parents pulling in well north of 70k. Only in a household that is 140k-150k you might be able to reach top class. This is also non-SF/NYC math too. In those places you gotta be at 200k to even have a slight chance.
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: ncsiacfan on March 28, 2020, 01:48:17 PM
My sister and I are obviously from a different time. I have a son who has been out of Morehouse for 27 years.
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: ncsiacfan on March 28, 2020, 03:04:54 PM
I read a article not long ago written by a "Brit" who said that a college degree was the new credential for entry into the upper crust in America. I think that he was correct. My daughter who graduated three years ago from expensive High Point University took college as a "necessary evil". It was something that she had to do and she did it. Obviously, I was better able financially when her time came. My dad was a postman and my mom a seamstress who worked from home. They put three children through college. When my son was at Morehouse, noting the increase in cost even then, I asked her "how did you do it"? Her answer was "your dad and I just got up the money and we did it" It was not a strain to me to send my daughter to HPU, but you could not help but notice the large number of northern students. Compared to similar north eastern universities, to them the costs were not excessive. As with the Duke student from the north east who does not find Duke to be excessive when compared to Harvard, Yale, and Princeton.

There are people on this board who were and are in college admissions and can speak better to this issue than I can. I got the impression that loans and Pell Grants became relatively easy to get and they were maxed out...and frequently went for the students car payment. And as the money became relatively easy, the tuition rose to meet the "new availability" of student financial resources. I have been telling my son for years that student dept was more than all the credit card debt combined and no one appeared to be concerned. So what's new? The coronovirus?

For each parent and student, it has to be a very personal question. How much is each willing to sacrifice? The expense of the Ivies and the doors that they open are not questioned. On a national scale, the expenses of Morehouse College are not considered to be excessive . I quote: "Expenses are a little less than colleges it is compared with". It is only expensive compared with other HBCUs.
Morehouse is not the only HBCU that you can ask this about. Does it open enough doors to make it worth it?
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: Ivan on March 29, 2020, 01:32:40 PM

Also why are Black parents getting sticker shock on college costs?? Why aren't we savings from birth instead of waiting until the child is in their junior year of high school only to discover college is expensive. :shrug:

Because when they were younger colleges were A LOT cheaper.

Also lets get real black income is in no way able to compensate saving for colleges on top of the already insane expenses in terms of housing,childcare, and their own student loans.

That is true. Now what I'm about to say may ruffle some feathers but here goes. I can one can trace the rise in college costs with the flattening of wages. So lets say in the mid 80's a couple may is blue collar wife is a school teacher. They could pay for or support a child going thru. Remove the manufacturing job and the teacher salary has not changes.  Wages have not kept pace with costs and the removal of Pell Grants are where we are now.

Bison for Life, everything you said is true. Wages have flattened and tuitions have increased, for sure. However, there's no reason that a college educated parent, should have sticker shock. A parent who's never went to college, yes. But not those of us who have attended. A parent that thinks their child may go to college, should start saving when the child is YOUNG................like elementary school age. There are plenty of 529 savings plans out there today that college-educated parents should know about. For example, my sister's kids are 12 and 10 years old, and she's been saving for their college education for at least the past three years. It may not end up being enough for the entire tuition, but it will certainly be a substantial amount.

529 College Savings Plans
https://www.sec.gov/reportspubs/investor-publications/investorpubsintro529htm.html
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: Ivan on March 29, 2020, 01:38:16 PM
For each parent and student, it has to be a very personal question. How much is each willing to sacrifice? The expense of the Ivies and the doors that they open are not questioned. On a national scale, the expenses of Morehouse College are not considered to be excessive . I quote: "Expenses are a little less than colleges it is compared with". It is only expensive compared with other HBCUs.
Morehouse is not the only HBCU that you can ask this about. Does it open enough doors to make it worth it?

NCSIACFAN, yes.............that is part of my spiel when I'm out recruiting for the college. My experience is that......1) Morehouse is not expensive when compared to other private liberal arts colleges. In fact, its on the cheaper side; 2) Yes, my experience is that the doors that were opened as a result of going to Morehouse, were worth it to me. Of course, when I went to Morehouse tuition was around $6,000, and by the time I graduated it was around $8,000 (not including room and board).
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: Neymar on March 29, 2020, 02:09:43 PM
For each parent and student, it has to be a very personal question. How much is each willing to sacrifice? The expense of the Ivies and the doors that they open are not questioned. On a national scale, the expenses of Morehouse College are not considered to be excessive . I quote: "Expenses are a little less than colleges it is compared with". It is only expensive compared with other HBCUs.
Morehouse is not the only HBCU that you can ask this about. Does it open enough doors to make it worth it?

NCSIACFAN, yes.............that is part of my spiel when I'm out recruiting for the college. My experience is that......1) Morehouse is not expensive when compared to other private liberal arts colleges. In fact, its on the cheaper side; 2) Yes, my experience is that the doors that were opened as a result of going to Morehouse, were worth it to me. Of course, when I went to Morehouse tuition was around $6,000, and by the time I graduated it was around $8,000 (not including room and board).

Jesus christ.

You'd cry if you saw what kids now pay. I cant believe tution for you was as low as less than a month(before taxes of course) of my wages now. I've been paying student loans for 8 years. :no:
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: ncsiacfan on March 29, 2020, 03:21:46 PM
As my white colleague said, I nearly killed myself earlier, but neither of my children were burdened with student loans. We also had a 529 for my daughter which was not available for my son.
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: Ivan on March 29, 2020, 10:53:55 PM
For each parent and student, it has to be a very personal question. How much is each willing to sacrifice? The expense of the Ivies and the doors that they open are not questioned. On a national scale, the expenses of Morehouse College are not considered to be excessive . I quote: "Expenses are a little less than colleges it is compared with". It is only expensive compared with other HBCUs.
Morehouse is not the only HBCU that you can ask this about. Does it open enough doors to make it worth it?

NCSIACFAN, yes.............that is part of my spiel when I'm out recruiting for the college. My experience is that......1) Morehouse is not expensive when compared to other private liberal arts colleges. In fact, its on the cheaper side; 2) Yes, my experience is that the doors that were opened as a result of going to Morehouse, were worth it to me. Of course, when I went to Morehouse tuition was around $6,000, and by the time I graduated it was around $8,000 (not including room and board).

Jesus christ.

You'd cry if you saw what kids now pay. I cant believe tution for you was as low as less than a month(before taxes of course) of my wages now. I've been paying student loans for 8 years. :no:

No, I wouldn't "cry". I know EXACTLY how much tuition is for most colleges now. I'm a college professor and I also recruit for Morehouse. I keep up with all that information.
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: cee dog on March 29, 2020, 11:41:18 PM
Black folks spend thousands of dollars on clothes, cars, jewelery, shoes, nails, hair, gadgets, but when it comes to paying to go to a black college every excuse in the world comes out of black folks mouth. Snicker bars got issues.
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: ncsiacfan on March 30, 2020, 09:40:28 AM
Anyone seen the Spelman homepage lately?  "The Spelman student shall travel internationally".
Who else can say something like that? Then they give you the charges that you shall pay. But I think that they have the right idea. Don't monkey around. When my son was a freshman at Morehouse, there was a $200 fee for freshman week. I never will forget those furious parents standing in line to pay. The lady behind me said we are all the way out here from Los Angeles and can't cash a out of town check. They could have told us about this. She asked me "how did you know". I told her that my son told me. They sent the information to all of the new students. Most read it and the personal information they needed, you shall wear shirt and ties for the first four days, dress pants, no jeans and threw it away.

The lady behind me was shaking with anger. What I remember thinking is Morehouse has a tremendous hold on people. All these well dressed angry black people and they are keeping it in.  I think after that, the information went directly to the person paying the bills.
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: Bison 4 Life on March 30, 2020, 10:22:26 AM
The Morehouse grads and parents I know tend to be second and third generation where both parents are professionals or entrapertneras. I know Morehouse students come from every economic strata. But if the child is super smart and did all he could do grade wise and the mother is a single parent who never went to college they still think being the smart Black kid is enough. Sadly its not.

Morehouse is the last stand for large scale Black male representation in top tier HBCU education. Howard is heading toward 75% female enrollment.Black males just aren't  seeing education is large numbers as in years past. I dont have an answer but one needs to be found soon. :tiptoe:
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: j1908 on March 30, 2020, 10:26:48 AM
For each parent and student, it has to be a very personal question. How much is each willing to sacrifice? The expense of the Ivies and the doors that they open are not questioned. On a national scale, the expenses of Morehouse College are not considered to be excessive . I quote: "Expenses are a little less than colleges it is compared with". It is only expensive compared with other HBCUs.
Morehouse is not the only HBCU that you can ask this about. Does it open enough doors to make it worth it?

NCSIACFAN, yes.............that is part of my spiel when I'm out recruiting for the college. My experience is that......1) Morehouse is not expensive when compared to other private liberal arts colleges. In fact, its on the cheaper side; 2) Yes, my experience is that the doors that were opened as a result of going to Morehouse, were worth it to me. Of course, when I went to Morehouse tuition was around $6,000, and by the time I graduated it was around $8,000 (not including room and board).

Yeah, CAU was around $9,000 per year for me in the 90s. Now, that my daughter is attending it's 4x as much.
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: j1908 on March 30, 2020, 10:39:19 AM
Black folks spend thousands of dollars on clothes, cars, jewelery, shoes, nails, hair, gadgets, but when it comes to paying to go to a black college every excuse in the world comes out of black folks mouth. Snicker bars got issues.
This part^^^
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: Jay_Thomas on March 30, 2020, 02:05:38 PM
Howard is heading toward 75% female enrollment.  Black males just aren't  seeing education is large numbers as in years past. I dont have an answer but one needs to be found soon. :tiptoe:




 :o  wooooaaaah!!!!  :o  I didn't know that B4L. You guys are about to catch up with Tennessee State and Clark AU... Both have overwhelming female enrollment, over 80% at this point.  Where are our young men?    :shrug:
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: Neymar on March 30, 2020, 03:37:16 PM
Howard is heading toward 75% female enrollment.  Black males just aren't  seeing education is large numbers as in years past. I dont have an answer but one needs to be found soon. :tiptoe:




 :o  wooooaaaah!!!!  :o  I didn't know that B4L. You guys are about to catch up with Tennessee State and Clark AU... Both have overwhelming female enrollment, over 80% at this point.  Where are our young men?    :shrug:

There is less stigma towards men to go into trades.

You can be a truck driver and make more than the average CAU grad.(Morehouse too honestly)
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: Ivan on March 30, 2020, 04:14:38 PM
Howard University demographics by sex is 67% female and 33% male. Which means 2 female students to every male student on campus. Clark Atlanta is around 75% female and 25% male. Which is 3 female students to every male student. I have not seen numbers for any of our HBCUs in which student enrollment is 80% female and 20% male.
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: klg14 on March 30, 2020, 04:24:46 PM
Howard University demographics by sex is 67% female and 33% male. Which means 2 female students to every male student on campus. Clark Atlanta is around 75% female and 25% male. Which is 3 female students to every male student. I have not seen numbers for any of our HBCUs in which student enrollment is 80% female and 20% male.

Fisk University?
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: Bison 4 Life on March 31, 2020, 07:00:33 AM
Howard University demographics by sex is 67% female and 33% male. Which means 2 female students to every male student on campus. Clark Atlanta is around 75% female and 25% male. Which is 3 female students to every male student. I have not seen numbers for any of our HBCUs in which student enrollment is 80% female and 20% male.


I was at an alumni meeting a few months ago when a school official had a data presentation with 73% female on the graph.They even spoke on official and unofficial methods  to boost male enrollment. 
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: ‘87 Alum on March 31, 2020, 09:13:40 AM
Howard University demographics by sex is 67% female and 33% male. Which means 2 female students to every male student on campus. Clark Atlanta is around 75% female and 25% male. Which is 3 female students to every male student. I have not seen numbers for any of our HBCUs in which student enrollment is 80% female and 20% male.


I was at an alumni meeting a few months ago when a school official had a data presentation with 73% male on the graph.They even spoke on official and unofficial methods  to boost male enrollment. 

B4L -

That 73%,,,was that female or male @ HU?  All other previously present facts was that its female, not male. Thanks.
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: Jay_Thomas on March 31, 2020, 09:20:35 AM


I was at an alumni meeting a few months ago when a school official had a data presentation with 73% male on the graph.
They even spoke on official and unofficial methods  to boost male enrollment.





I think many of our hbcu's need to engage in this topic of increasing male enrollment.
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: Bearforlife on March 31, 2020, 09:28:21 AM
I'm late to this discussion but I am going to offer some knowledge as someone who works in enrollment management as a profession. If you're a parent, print this and keep it for later:

1. There is scholarship money out there. It may not be at your particular institution, but it is out there. It is like any other thing. If you wait until you need it to look for it, you're already behind. In this article, the young man didn't look for scholarships until he was a senior accepted into school (ie. he needed it right then). By that time lots of deadlines have passed.

2. Start local with scholarships. Most NPHC organizations locally have scholarships. Most alumni associations can't beg students to apply for their scholarships. That church you and your granny have tithed at for 50 years...they probably have a scholarship too that no one applies for. UNCF, Thurgood Marshall, fastweb.com, scholly...make a profile as a junior and apply until it makes you sick. $500 or $1000 here and there WILL add up.

3. Most institutions have endowed scholarships that are not awarded until matriculation. I am sure the House is no different. Look on your school's website for endowed scholarships, award dates, etc. If you have a student in college now is the time to be applying for those.

4. Community College/ Technical School is cheap still. Most students can pay cash and work part time and get a bunch of credits out of the way. Keep in mind, once you step foot on a CC or Tech campus, your high school record no longer counts. You can't "start over" or forget you went if you don't do well.

5. There are lots of HBCUs....If you can't afford Morehouse and you live in Alabama, there are two state sponsored HBCUs in your state  :shrug:
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: stephen on March 31, 2020, 12:27:02 PM
Howard University demographics by sex is 67% female and 33% male. Which means 2 female students to every male student on campus. Clark Atlanta is around 75% female and 25% male. Which is 3 female students to every male student. I have not seen numbers for any of our HBCUs in which student enrollment is 80% female and 20% male.

Fisk University?

I can tell you (being very close to Fisk) that it has been 70% female for the better part of 20 years.  Perhaps the "canary in the coal mine" with regard to hbcu male enrollment? IJS...Fisk administration tried to openly recruit male students with a scholarship in which all you had to do was write a 500-word essay and yearly ran into trouble getting young men to apply.  High school counselors told Admissions that they knew plenty qualified (grades, test scores, service) males but NONE wanted to write the essay. This was in the aughts, I can't speak to what has been happening since 2010...
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: y04185 on March 31, 2020, 12:35:13 PM
I'm late to this discussion but I am going to offer some knowledge as someone who works in enrollment management as a profession. If you're a parent, print this and keep it for later:

1. There is scholarship money out there. It may not be at your particular institution, but it is out there. It is like any other thing. If you wait until you need it to look for it, you're already behind. In this article, the young man didn't look for scholarships until he was a senior accepted into school (ie. he needed it right then). By that time lots of deadlines have passed.

2. Start local with scholarships. Most NPHC organizations locally have scholarships. Most alumni associations can't beg students to apply for their scholarships. That church you and your granny have tithed at for 50 years...they probably have a scholarship too that no one applies for. UNCF, Thurgood Marshall, fastweb.com, scholly...make a profile as a junior and apply until it makes you sick. $500 or $1000 here and there WILL add up.

3. Most institutions have endowed scholarships that are not awarded until matriculation. I am sure the House is no different. Look on your school's website for endowed scholarships, award dates, etc. If you have a student in college now is the time to be applying for those.

4. Community College/ Technical School is cheap still. Most students can pay cash and work part time and get a bunch of credits out of the way. Keep in mind, once you step foot on a CC or Tech campus, your high school record no longer counts. You can't "start over" or forget you went if you don't do well.

5. There are lots of HBCUs....If you can't afford Morehouse and you live in Alabama, there are two state sponsored HBCUs in your state  :shrug:

Great info.  Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: Bison 4 Life on March 31, 2020, 12:42:34 PM
Howard University demographics by sex is 67% female and 33% male. Which means 2 female students to every male student on campus. Clark Atlanta is around 75% female and 25% male. Which is 3 female students to every male student. I have not seen numbers for any of our HBCUs in which student enrollment is 80% female and 20% male.

Fisk University?

I can tell you (being very close to Fisk) that it has been 70% female for the better part of 20 years.  Perhaps the "canary in the coal mine" with regard to hbcu male enrollment? IJS...Fisk administration tried to openly recruit male students with a scholarship in which all you had to do was write a 500-word essay and yearly ran into trouble getting young men to apply.  High school counselors told Admissions that they knew plenty qualified (grades, test scores, service) males but NONE wanted to write the essay. This was in the aughts, I can't speak to what has been happening since 2010...

Thanks for my error it was definitely 73% female.

I'm going to let out a BGLO secret thats really not all that secret to dovetail on the quote about Fisk.

I'm just speaking from an Alpha perspective from the DMV .Its almost impossible to get young Black males to complete scholarship applications even if its totally online.We've had B&G balls where the winners were immigrants from Turkey, pakistan etc. They ( or their parents) did the legwork to fill out the application and they met all the grade criteria.
For some young Black males you literally have to track them down and hound them to fill it out.

I'm pretty sure this is a Gen Z thing but the hashtag #HU24 on social media looked like Spelman.Young males just are not seeing HBCU's as an option as in years past. :shrug:
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: klg14 on March 31, 2020, 01:15:31 PM
I'm pretty sure this is a Gen Z thing but the hashtag #HU24 on social media looked like Spelman. Young males just are not seeing HBCU's as an option as in years past. :shrug:

Males are not seeing college as an option period. I work at a large PWI with a student enrollment of around 35% male.

Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: ncsiacfan on March 31, 2020, 01:50:07 PM
Someone had better get it out there to them, what the Brit" said a few years ago. A college degree is the new credential to the American upper class. They don't have to like it. They have to live with it.
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: y04185 on March 31, 2020, 02:41:57 PM
The average salary of a journeyman plumber is higher than the average salary of a college graduate.  Plumbers are currently still working.  Along with carpenters, long distance truck drivers, and electricians. 
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: ‘87 Alum on March 31, 2020, 02:47:47 PM
The average salary of a journeyman plumber is higher than the average salary of a college graduate.  Plumbers are currently still working.  Along with carpenters, long distance truck drivers, and electricians. 

Doesn’t it take a few years post apprenticeship to become a journeyman plumber and passing the exam?  Apprenticeships are usually 3-5 yrs for most crafts....
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: y04185 on March 31, 2020, 04:06:26 PM
The average salary of a journeyman plumber is higher than the average salary of a college graduate.  Plumbers are currently still working.  Along with carpenters, long distance truck drivers, and electricians. 

Doesn’t it take a few years post apprenticeship to become a journeyman plumber and passing the exam?  Apprenticeships are usually 3-5 yrs for most crafts....

True about the time.  Still doesn't change the fact on average they make more.  Exception being long distance truck drivers.

A college education isn't the end all.
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: ‘87 Alum on March 31, 2020, 04:24:14 PM
The average salary of a journeyman plumber is higher than the average salary of a college graduate.  Plumbers are currently still working.  Along with carpenters, long distance truck drivers, and electricians. 

Doesn’t it take a few years post apprenticeship to become a journeyman plumber and passing the exam?  Apprenticeships are usually 3-5 yrs for most crafts....

True about the time.  Still doesn't change the fact on average they make more.  Exception being long distance truck drivers.

A college education isn't the end all.

 :shrug:

Who said it did? Please highlight a rebuttal to that......

 :shrug:

You would initiate an argument with a stop sign......
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: Ivan on March 31, 2020, 05:57:56 PM
I'm pretty sure this is a Gen Z thing but the hashtag #HU24 on social media looked like Spelman. Young males just are not seeing HBCU's as an option as in years past. :shrug:

Males are not seeing college as an option period. I work at a large PWI with a student enrollment of around 35% male.

You took the words out of my mouth. IT's not just HBCUs, it's college in general. The large public university that I work at in California, you are hard pressed to see Black male students.............unless they're on our basketball team.
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: Jay_Thomas on March 31, 2020, 06:17:10 PM
The large public university that I work at in California, you are hard pressed to see Black male students.............unless they're on our basketball team.





You will always find them there...IJS.   :tongue2:
Title: Re: My Nephew Wanted to Go to Morehouse College. He's Going to the University of...
Post by: y04185 on March 31, 2020, 07:21:22 PM
The average salary of a journeyman plumber is higher than the average salary of a college graduate.  Plumbers are currently still working.  Along with carpenters, long distance truck drivers, and electricians. 

Doesn’t it take a few years post apprenticeship to become a journeyman plumber and passing the exam?  Apprenticeships are usually 3-5 yrs for most crafts....

True about the time.  Still doesn't change the fact on average they make more.  Exception being long distance truck drivers.

A college education isn't the end all.

 :shrug:

Who said it did? Please highlight a rebuttal to that......

 :shrug:

You would initiate an argument with a stop sign......

Where did you get an argument from?  I clearly stated facts.  Your Bama education is showing.