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Title: South Carolina St spring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: Bison 4 Life on January 16, 2020, 07:55:12 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnBJt29TbMU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnBJt29TbMU)
Title: Re: South Carolina St Uspring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: y04185 on January 16, 2020, 08:42:19 AM
Link doesn't work.
Title: Re: South Carolina St Uspring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: Jay_Thomas on January 16, 2020, 08:51:17 AM
 :o



https://youtu.be/rnBJt29TbMU
Title: Re: South Carolina St Uspring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: lew9ball on January 16, 2020, 09:44:35 AM
WOW that's scary. Good luck Bulldogs.. :angel:
Title: Re: South Carolina St Uspring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: j1908 on January 16, 2020, 09:50:06 AM
Wow.
Title: Re: South Carolina St Uspring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: ‘87 Alum on January 16, 2020, 09:58:32 AM
Speechless....losing over 1500 students....that’s a significant enrollment drop....

Smh.....
Title: Re: South Carolina St spring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: CIAA-FAN on January 16, 2020, 10:40:51 AM
WOW.  THIS IS SIGNIFICANT.  CAN ANYONE KNOWLEDGEABLE, ADD SOME CONTEXT TO WHAT IS GOING ON AT SCSU?
Title: Re: South Carolina St spring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: Que82 on January 16, 2020, 11:34:33 AM
Benedict College enrollment 2,247
Claflin University enrollment 1978
South Carolina State 946 (only public HBCU in the state)
Allen University enrollment 600
Morris College enrollment 582
Voorhees College 434

 :shrug:
Title: Re: South Carolina St spring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: Capler on January 16, 2020, 12:30:41 PM
This makes no sense. You don't have a dramatic drop in such a short period of time unless you have some serious internal problems.  :shrug: This should be an embarrassment to the school. I can understand if they were private, but they are state supported with cheaper tuition.  :brickwall:
Title: Re: South Carolina St spring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: Jay_Thomas on January 16, 2020, 12:47:57 PM
SCSU's enrollment was at one point around 5,000.

What in ice blue heyal?  900 students?
Title: Re: South Carolina St spring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: Valley Girl on January 16, 2020, 01:01:37 PM
This makes me so sad.   How does this even happen?

There is no reason the only public HBCU in the state should have this low of enrollment.  There should be at least 4-5000 in attendance. 

Can anyone give us insight into what’s going on?  SC State is a jewel and must be preserved. 

Maybe it’s time for a leadership change. 
Title: Re: South Carolina St spring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: Jay_Thomas on January 16, 2020, 02:34:52 PM


Maybe it’s time for a leadership change.





 :nod:  FOR STARTERS....cause this did not happen over nite...nor LAST nite.
Title: Re: South Carolina St spring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: BrotherWiregrass on January 16, 2020, 03:30:52 PM
This is my opinion. Basically, it boils down to economics. See, some southern states are trying to slowly trying get out of the HBCU business. They don't feel the need to fund them anymore.


Also, we need to stop focusing on enrollment, and start strategizing.
Title: Re: South Carolina St spring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: Que82 on January 16, 2020, 03:41:51 PM
This is my opinion. Basically, it boils down to economics. See, some southern states are trying to slowly trying get out of the HBCU business. They don't feel the need to fund them anymore.


Also, we need to stop focusing on enrollment, and start strategizing.
???? Someone please explain this ^^^ to me.  Enrollment = tuition which = $$$.  There is no strategy without $$$. :shrug:
Title: Re: South Carolina St spring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: ‘87 Alum on January 16, 2020, 03:43:24 PM
This is my opinion. Basically, it boils down to economics. See, some southern states are trying to slowly trying get out of the HBCU business. They don't feel the need to fund them anymore.


Also, we need to stop focusing on enrollment, and start strategizing.
???? Someone please explain this ^^^ to me.  Enrollment = tuition which = $$$.  There is no strategy without $$$. :shrug:

Thrills don’t pay the bills.....
Title: Re: South Carolina St spring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: BrotherWiregrass on January 16, 2020, 04:47:41 PM
This is my opinion. Basically, it boils down to economics. See, some southern states are trying to slowly trying get out of the HBCU business. They don't feel the need to fund them anymore.


Also, we need to stop focusing on enrollment, and start strategizing.
???? Someone please explain this ^^^ to me.  Enrollment = tuition which = $$$.  There is no strategy without $$$. :shrug:

I'll take quality over quantity on anyday. What is SCSU's endowment? See, this is why most of our schools are hemorrhaging. We are banking on students that might drop-off after semester.  :shrug:
Title: Re: South Carolina St spring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: soflorattler on January 16, 2020, 05:03:35 PM
On SACS's radar.

Fisk
BCU
Lemone Owens.
Title: Re: South Carolina St spring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: cee dog on January 16, 2020, 05:12:01 PM
The problem in black society is called inclusion. Black kids today wanna be included with white folks worst than folks who had to sit in the back of the bus. If it ain't white they don't want it. It's being taught to them by parents and grandparents who felt they missed something with out the white devil.
Title: Re: South Carolina St spring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: SSUTigerFan on January 16, 2020, 07:16:20 PM
As much as I would like to disagree, there is some merit to your statement.  I had a deacon to ask me where was I going to college?  I told him SSC.  He then told me that you can't get a job after you graduate.  Not only did I get a job, I obtained my MPA degree after getting old.
Title: Re: South Carolina St spring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: Capler on January 16, 2020, 07:31:20 PM
As much as I would like to disagree, there is some merit to your statement.  I had a deacon to ask me where was I going to college?  I told him SSC.  He then told me that you can't get a job after you graduate.  Not only did I get a job, I obtained my MPA degree after getting old.

I can agree with that on some levels but I can't hang my hat on it as being the definitive reason. Here's what makes me challenge that notion. Except for the problems at ECSU, which has been corrected, public HBCUs in NC have record enrollment.  If black kids are running for HBCUs, it seems they all would be suffering.  The problems at SCSU appears to be local.

Then look at the other HBCUs in SC? It makes no sense what so ever for your two private schools to be larger than your public school. The equation is upside down, you will not see that anywhere else in the country.
Title: Re: South Carolina St spring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: eagle pride on January 16, 2020, 11:33:51 PM
Oh no.  Are they going to leave the MEAC too? :no:
Title: Re: South Carolina St spring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: soflorattler on January 17, 2020, 06:26:07 AM
The problem here in Florida with it's only HBCU is that the FLBOG (Florida Board of Governors) has placed restrictions on growth at FAMU in the form of what kind of students they can accept and limiting enrollment. They effectively eliminated remedial courses that FAMU used to offer students who came in struggling in certain courses. Many of those students became the "diamond in the rough" student that excelled. They raised the admissions test scores, also. I see posts about students who are 3.8 and some 4.0 students who were turned away because of their test scores not meeting the standard. One student who has a 3.8 GPA made a 19 on the ACT, and the standard is 21. Also, they (FLBOG) restricted raising tuition rates at Florida universities. So, if say for instance the tuition rate at UF is $120, and the tuition rate at FAMU is $105, FAMU is restricted from raising the rate another $5  to $110 even though they would still be cheaper.
Title: Re: South Carolina St spring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: y04185 on January 17, 2020, 06:35:17 AM
The problem here in Florida with it's only HBCU is that the FLBOG (Florida Board of Governors) has placed restrictions on growth at FAMU in the form of what kind of students they can accept and limiting enrollment. They effectively eliminated remedial courses that FAMU used to offer students who came in struggling in certain courses. Many of those students became the "diamond in the rough" student that excelled. They raised the admissions test scores, also. I see posts about students who are 3.8 and some 4.0 students who were turned away because of their test scores not meeting the standard. One student who has a 3.8 GPA made a 19 on the ACT, and the standard is 21. Also, they (FLBOG) restricted raising tuition rates at Florida universities. So, if say for instance the tuition rate at UF is $120, and the tuition rate at FAMU is $105, FAMU is restricted from raising the rate another $5  to $110 even though they would still be cheaper.

Prove it.
Title: Re: South Carolina St spring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: Que82 on January 17, 2020, 06:38:30 AM
This is my opinion. Basically, it boils down to economics. See, some southern states are trying to slowly trying get out of the HBCU business. They don't feel the need to fund them anymore.


Also, we need to stop focusing on enrollment, and start strategizing.
???? Someone please explain this ^^^ to me.  Enrollment = tuition which = $$$.  There is no strategy without $$$. :shrug:

I'll take quality over quantity on anyday. What is SCSU's endowment? See, this is why most of our schools are hemorrhaging. We are banking on students that might drop-off after semester.  :shrug:
Again someone explain this to me.  What is a tangible measurement for schools to only choose students who will not drop out????  I had a high GPA when I went to A&M however it dropped the first semester because I did not have the same structure (Momma) I did in high school.  It wasn't until the Dean called her & she came to A&M and threaten my life that I got back on track.
Title: Re: South Carolina St spring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: Que82 on January 17, 2020, 11:58:22 AM
A member of the SCSU BOT informed me that those were not true numbers and that HBCU Digest is just repeating what the local news reported which is not accurate.
Title: Re: South Carolina St spring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: Capler on January 17, 2020, 12:13:52 PM
A member of the SCSU BOT informed me that those were not true numbers and that HBCU Digest is just repeating what the local news reported which is not accurate.

That seems like one of those word games politicians us. "They are trying to defame us because the numbers are not right. It's  1001 instead of 997 defense. You see we are over 1000, therefore they are liars."

The real story is not the number but the dramatic decline in enrollment. Those numbers are always fluid, and tend to go downward after school starts.
Title: Re: South Carolina St spring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: Capler on January 17, 2020, 12:18:05 PM
The problem here in Florida with it's only HBCU is that the FLBOG (Florida Board of Governors) has placed restrictions on growth at FAMU in the form of what kind of students they can accept and limiting enrollment. They effectively eliminated remedial courses that FAMU used to offer students who came in struggling in certain courses. Many of those students became the "diamond in the rough" student that excelled. They raised the admissions test scores, also. I see posts about students who are 3.8 and some 4.0 students who were turned away because of their test scores not meeting the standard. One student who has a 3.8 GPA made a 19 on the ACT, and the standard is 21. Also, they (FLBOG) restricted raising tuition rates at Florida universities. So, if say for instance the tuition rate at UF is $120, and the tuition rate at FAMU is $105, FAMU is restricted from raising the rate another $5  to $110 even though they would still be cheaper.

I really don't have a problem with raising admission standards at state schools. That is why the state also funds a community college system.
Title: Re: South Carolina St spring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: Bison 4 Life on January 17, 2020, 12:22:28 PM
I'm on the outside looking in. The exact number are semantics. The drop off or decline in enrollment should be case of concern.
Title: Re: South Carolina St spring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: A&T AGGIE 96 on January 17, 2020, 01:13:57 PM
As much as I would like to disagree, there is some merit to your statement.  I had a deacon to ask me where was I going to college?  I told him SSC.  He then told me that you can't get a job after you graduate.  Not only did I get a job, I obtained my MPA degree after getting old.

I can agree with that on some levels but I can't hang my hat on it as being the definitive reason. Here's what makes me challenge that notion. Except for the problems at ECSU, which has been corrected, public HBCUs in NC have record enrollment.  If black kids are running for HBCUs, it seems they all would be suffering.  The problems at SCSU appears to be local.

Then look at the other HBCUs in SC? It makes no sense what so ever for your two private schools to be larger than your public school. The equation is upside down, you will not see that anywhere else in the country.

This is spot on! At A&T and other NC HBCUs we can’t build dorms fast enough. For some reason Black people have turned their backs on SCSU.

On would think enrollment from just the local community would be larger than a 1,000. What is going on ??
Title: Re: South Carolina St spring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: CIAA-FAN on January 17, 2020, 04:55:30 PM
The problem here in Florida with it's only HBCU is that the FLBOG (Florida Board of Governors) has placed restrictions on growth at FAMU in the form of what kind of students they can accept and limiting enrollment. They effectively eliminated remedial courses that FAMU used to offer students who came in struggling in certain courses. Many of those students became the "diamond in the rough" student that excelled. They raised the admissions test scores, also. I see posts about students who are 3.8 and some 4.0 students who were turned away because of their test scores not meeting the standard. One student who has a 3.8 GPA made a 19 on the ACT, and the standard is 21. Also, they (FLBOG) restricted raising tuition rates at Florida universities. So, if say for instance the tuition rate at UF is $120, and the tuition rate at FAMU is $105, FAMU is restricted from raising the rate another $5  to $110 even though they would still be cheaper.

Prove it.

CAN'T HELP BUT WONDER WHY EVERYONE HAS TO PROVE THINGS TO YOU?  TAKE SOME TIME, DO SOME RESEARCH OF YOUR OWN AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO POST SOME THAT make YOU LOOK LESS THAN INTELLIGENT.
Title: Re: South Carolina St spring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: Que82 on January 19, 2020, 11:00:12 PM
The decline has been consistent since they had the financial woes and the state was threatening not to fund them.  Then there was some concern about their accreditation.  Couple that with usual poor customer service that occurs at a preponderance of HBCUs and you have the answer to you decline question.  I am also suspect of Pres. James (Crazy Joe) Clark.  No HBCU background except Benedict BOT.  A republican appointee to SCSU BOT and an ally of DJT.  :shrug:
Title: Re: South Carolina St spring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: EB on January 19, 2020, 11:24:08 PM
The problem in black society is called inclusion. Black kids today wanna be included with white folks worst than folks who had to sit in the back of the bus. If it ain't white they don't want it. It's being taught to them by parents and grandparents who felt they missed something with out the white devil.

As much as I would like to disagree, there is some merit to your statement.  I had a deacon to ask me where was I going to college?  I told him SSC.  He then told me that you can't get a job after you graduate.  Not only did I get a job, I obtained my MPA degree after getting old.

They get the "inclusion" and "integration" from the adults.  I am not a segregationist at all, but we see what happens to the decline of our institutions, neighborhoods and business districts when we fail to support them.  It eventually affects Black politics.  (Yes, I said it!)  From one generation to another we continue to make the same mistakes.  Then one day we talk about what we had.  We should learn our lesson after what happened to Bishop, St. Paul's and Concordia instead of repeating the mistakes.
Title: Re: South Carolina St spring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: TSU/BAMA on January 19, 2020, 11:47:04 PM
The problem in black society is called inclusion. Black kids today wanna be included with white folks worst than folks who had to sit in the back of the bus. If it ain't white they don't want it. It's being taught to them by parents and grandparents who felt they missed something with out the white devil.

As much as I would like to disagree, there is some merit to your statement.  I had a deacon to ask me where was I going to college?  I told him SSC.  He then told me that you can't get a job after you graduate.  Not only did I get a job, I obtained my MPA degree after getting old.

They get the "inclusion" and "integration" from the adults.  I am not a segregationist at all, but we see what happens to the decline of our institutions, neighborhoods and business districts when we fail to support them.  It eventually affects Black politics.  (Yes, I said it!)  From one generation to another we continue to make the same mistakes.  Then one day we talk about what we had.  We should learn our lesson after what happened to Bishop, St. Paul's and Concordia instead of repeating the mistakes.

 :clap:  :clap:  :clap:
Title: Re: South Carolina St spring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: EB on January 20, 2020, 01:54:21 AM
Understand.  One should be able to attend wherever they want, but we need to understand integration, inclusion, diversity and equal treatment under the law.  Note that this time period is the 150th anniversary of Reconstruction.  In 2022 we will have the 250th anniversary of the Somerset Decision in England.
Title: Re: South Carolina St spring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: y04185 on January 20, 2020, 06:07:56 AM
The problem in black society is called inclusion. Black kids today wanna be included with white folks worst than folks who had to sit in the back of the bus. If it ain't white they don't want it. It's being taught to them by parents and grandparents who felt they missed something with out the white devil.

As much as I would like to disagree, there is some merit to your statement.  I had a deacon to ask me where was I going to college?  I told him SSC.  He then told me that you can't get a job after you graduate.  Not only did I get a job, I obtained my MPA degree after getting old.

They get the "inclusion" and "integration" from the adults.  I am not a segregationist at all, but we see what happens to the decline of our institutions, neighborhoods and business districts when we fail to support them.  It eventually affects Black politics.  (Yes, I said it!)  From one generation to another we continue to make the same mistakes.  Then one day we talk about what we had.  We should learn our lesson after what happened to Bishop, St. Paul's and Concordia instead of repeating the mistakes.

Amen.
Title: Re: South Carolina St spring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: soflorattler on January 20, 2020, 06:14:59 AM
The problem here in Florida with it's only HBCU is that the FLBOG (Florida Board of Governors) has placed restrictions on growth at FAMU in the form of what kind of students they can accept and limiting enrollment. They effectively eliminated remedial courses that FAMU used to offer students who came in struggling in certain courses. Many of those students became the "diamond in the rough" student that excelled. They raised the admissions test scores, also. I see posts about students who are 3.8 and some 4.0 students who were turned away because of their test scores not meeting the standard. One student who has a 3.8 GPA made a 19 on the ACT, and the standard is 21. Also, they (FLBOG) restricted raising tuition rates at Florida universities. So, if say for instance the tuition rate at UF is $120, and the tuition rate at FAMU is $105, FAMU is restricted from raising the rate another $5  to $110 even though they would still be cheaper.

Prove it.

CAN'T HELP BUT WONDER WHY EVERYONE HAS TO PROVE THINGS TO YOU?  TAKE SOME TIME, DO SOME RESEARCH OF YOUR OWN AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO POST SOME THAT make YOU LOOK LESS THAN INTELLIGENT.

"LOOK"? Bonafide certified and documented "IS"... :nod:
Title: Re: South Carolina St spring enrollment drops below 1,000
Post by: soflorattler on January 20, 2020, 06:18:52 AM
The problem here in Florida with it's only HBCU is that the FLBOG (Florida Board of Governors) has placed restrictions on growth at FAMU in the form of what kind of students they can accept and limiting enrollment. They effectively eliminated remedial courses that FAMU used to offer students who came in struggling in certain courses. Many of those students became the "diamond in the rough" student that excelled. They raised the admissions test scores, also. I see posts about students who are 3.8 and some 4.0 students who were turned away because of their test scores not meeting the standard. One student who has a 3.8 GPA made a 19 on the ACT, and the standard is 21. Also, they (FLBOG) restricted raising tuition rates at Florida universities. So, if say for instance the tuition rate at UF is $120, and the tuition rate at FAMU is $105, FAMU is restricted from raising the rate another $5  to $110 even though they would still be cheaper.

Prove it.

GFYF 🖕🏾