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Title: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Capler on May 17, 2019, 02:14:13 PM
I hope this discussion does not become a political finger pointing pissing contest. I would like to have this discussion based on your personal beliefs.

For me, I don't like abortions but I'm not against them either. I feel young people are entitled to one mistake, and should have the option of getting an abortion. But it also leaves a very bad taste in my mouth when folk use it a revolving door birth control method.

With that said, I don't feel men should have a right to tell a woman what she can or cannot  do with her body. Women and only women should decide that. If you can deal with it, fine get an abortion. If it is not for you, stay clear.
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Neymar on May 17, 2019, 02:18:08 PM
Why does it leave a bad taste in your mouth?

Its a medical procedure which, if you use contraception, has nothing to do with you. Do you wish to police condom or the morning after pill usage?

Whether or not someone uses it as their birth control method is their business. :shrug:

Abortion, to me , is freedom. A womans right to choose how she lives her life. They give up so much for us, this is the least we can give them.
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Maroon and Gray on May 17, 2019, 02:34:44 PM
What facts do you have people use it as a revolving door birth control method?
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Que82 on May 17, 2019, 02:36:20 PM
I personally do not believe in abortion (except in the case of oldsport and neymar) however, I can't get pregnant either.  I believe it should always be the right of the woman to choose if they are not married, if married it should be a joint decision.
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Jay_Thomas on May 17, 2019, 02:44:49 PM
Anti-abortion Rep. Tim Murphy resigns after report he asked lover to end pregnancy

(https://s.abcnews.com/images/Politics/tim-murphy-gty-jt-171004_16x9_992.jpg)


STORY LINK RIGHT HERE (https://abc7news.com/2489623/?ex_cid=TA_KGO_FB&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_content=5cdd740d72c13d0001eb4672&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3uPtV0zp1Ui5oPVYy1-jZDoeeTMskm7thmj1QjUCA13PwrwrsoFZl0FPM)


Nice tie but he is like the many other hypocritical, entitled priviliged a$$wipes who want to infringe on the rights of others....BUT BELIEVE IT SHOULD NOT APPLY TO THEM.  ::)
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Jay_Thomas on May 17, 2019, 02:47:48 PM
Alabama Executes a Murderer a Day After Banning Abortions

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/16/us/michael-samra-execution.html

 :shrug:  Soooo, you're PRO-LIFE AND PRO-DEATH PENALTY? Thats like being ANTI-GAY AND HAPPILY STRUTTING YOUR HIGH HEELS  AT A GAY PRIDE FESTIVAL....which one is it? Cannot have it both ways you morons.

THESE CLOWNS LOOK AS STUPID....AS THEY LOOK!!!
    ::)
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Neymar on May 17, 2019, 04:26:13 PM
I personally do not believe in abortion (except in the case of oldsport and neymar) however, I can't get pregnant either.  I believe it should always be the right of the woman to choose if they are not married, if married it should be a joint decision.

Unless the husband can carry the baby its still the womans right to choose...unless perhaps you agree that a woman gives up her body in marriage?
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Ken on May 17, 2019, 04:28:26 PM
Are any of you males on this site against a prostatectomy???  Hey let us let the women on this site decide.
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Capler on May 17, 2019, 05:13:55 PM
Why does it leave a bad taste in your mouth?


If you keep getting pregnant and having abortions it means you are fairly dumb.
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Ken on May 17, 2019, 05:19:37 PM
Really depends upon the circumstances-- lot males keep getting VD although he have condoms-.
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Wildman78 on May 17, 2019, 05:28:48 PM
In any event here is some data for you to consider.

January 2017

The abortion rate in the United States fell to its lowest level since the historic Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision legalized abortion nationwide, a new report finds.

The report by the Guttmacher Institute, a research group that supports legalized abortion, puts the rate at 14.6 abortions per 1,000 women of childbearing age (ages 15-44) in 2014. That's the lowest recorded rate since the Roe decision in 1973. The abortion rate has been declining for decades — down from a peak of 29.3 in 1980 and 1981.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/01/17/509734620/u-s-abortion-rate-falls-to-lowest-level-since-roe-v-wade


The number of abortions reported to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention fell by 2 percent year over year and by 24 percent over the span of a decade, a new report shows.

There were 638,169 abortions reported to the CDC in 2015, the most recent year for which data tallied by the agency are available, down from 652,639 in 2014 and 842,855 in 2006. The shifts may be tied to a decline in the share of pregnancies that are unintended and to the increased use of more effective contraceptives, the CDC said.

https://www.usnews.com/news/healthiest-communities/articles/2018-11-21/abortions-down-24-percent-over-a-decade-in-us


U.S. birth rates hit their lowest point in 32 years in 2018, according to data released Wednesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

This included record lows for women in their teens and in their 20s.

The provisional report, based on over 99 percent of U.S. birth records, indicates there were 3.788 million births in the U.S. last year, the lowest total since 1986 and the fourth consecutive year the number of births has declined.

Births to teenagers fell 8 percent, to 179,607.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/443763-birth-rates-for-teens-women-in-their-20s-hits-record-lows


Teen births at record low

The CDC research doesn't explain why birth rates are declining, Hamilton said.

There was some good news in the new report: Fewer babies are being born to teens. In fact, “these are record lows for teenage birth rates,” Hamilton said. “This year’s rate is 7 percent lower than in 2017.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/birth-rate-u-s-falls-lowest-level-32-years-cdc-n1005696

(https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/styles/scale_900x720/public/395-351.png?itok=rZGsou0l)

https://www.guttmacher.org/infographic/2017/abortion-rates-race-and-ethnicity


Race/Ethnicity

Among the 29 areas that reported cross-classified race/ethnicity data for 2013, non-Hispanic white women and non-Hispanic black women accounted for the largest percentages of abortions (37.3% and 35.6%, respectively) and Hispanic women and non-Hispanic women in the other race category accounted for smaller percentages (19.0% and 8.1%, respectively) (Table 12). Non-Hispanic white women had the lowest abortion rate (7.2 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years) and ratio (121 abortions per 1,000 live births) and non-Hispanic black women had the highest abortion rate (27.0 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years) and ratio (420 abortions per 1,000 live births). Data for 2013 are also reported separately by race and by ethnicity (Tables 13 and 14).

Among the 20 areas¶¶¶ that reported by race/ethnicity for 2007 (the first year with available data), 2012, and 2013, abortion rates decreased substantially for all three major racial/ethnic groups: for non-Hispanic white women, the abortion rate decreased 26% (from 9.3 abortions per 1,000 women in 2007 to 6.9 in 2013), for non-Hispanic black women it decreased 25% (from 36.8 abortions per 1,000 women in 2007 to 27.5 in 2013), and for Hispanic women it decreased 33% (from 20.8 abortions per 1,000 women in 2007 to 14.0 in 2013). Abortion ratios also decreased from 2007 to 2013. For non-Hispanic white women, the abortion ratio decreased 23% (from 145 abortions per 1,000 live births in 2007 to 112 in 2013), for non-Hispanic black women it decreased 17% (from 514 abortions per 1,000 live births in 2007 to 425 in 2013), and for Hispanic women it decreased 13% (from 209 abortions per 1,000 live births in 2007 to 181 in 2013).

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/65/ss/ss6512a1.htm


I think abortion is a sin but I don't think it is a sin that should be overly criminalized by the government. I think Roe v. Wade could be tweeked a bit. However, I'm generally fine with the framework that gives the woman more leeway in the earlier stages of pregnancy and less leeway during the later stages of the pregnancy.
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: soflorattler on May 17, 2019, 05:44:57 PM
It is not my place to tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her body. Everyone will be called to account for their actions on this rock in the end. I'm with WM78 in that it's a sin, but I can't let what others do send me to hell. I'm not their judge.  :nono2:
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Neymar on May 17, 2019, 06:10:34 PM
Why does it leave a bad taste in your mouth?


If you keep getting pregnant and having abortions it means you are fairly dumb.

Why?

This sounds like masucline woman shaming. A woman who gets multiple abortions isnt dumb.


What would be dumb is bringing kids in the world you cant afford, thus ruining the lives of many people.
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Capler on May 17, 2019, 07:15:55 PM
Why does it leave a bad taste in your mouth?


If you keep getting pregnant and having abortions it means you are fairly dumb.

Why?

This sounds like masucline woman shaming. A woman who gets multiple abortions isnt dumb.


What would be dumb is bringing kids in the world you cant afford, thus ruining the lives of many people.

It is dumb when you keep paying a doctor needlessly for the same avoidable medical procedure.  And yes, having multiple kids when you can't afford one is dumb also. 
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Que82 on May 17, 2019, 07:21:34 PM
I personally do not believe in abortion (except in the case of oldsport and neymar) however, I can't get pregnant either.  I believe it should always be the right of the woman to choose if they are not married, if married it should be a joint decision.

Unless the husband can carry the baby its still the womans right to choose...unless perhaps you agree that a woman gives up her body in marriage?
This let’s me know that your dumb ass has never been married. A marriage is a partnership. You make joint decision. If a wife aborts a baby without talking to her husband I’m sure in most cases the marriage will end if he finds out. P. S. I don’t believe she will be able to hide that she had the procedure from him unless he is as dumb as you are. You really need to stay in your dayum lane. ::)
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Que82 on May 17, 2019, 07:31:03 PM
I personally do not believe in abortion (except in the case of oldsport and neymar) however, I can't get pregnant either.  I believe it should always be the right of the woman to choose if they are not married, if married it should be a joint decision.

Unless the husband can carry the baby its still the womans right to choose...unless perhaps you agree that a woman gives up her body in marriage?
So why don’t you give your freaking opinion instead of trying to critique everyone else’s. One thing is for sure no one will ever have to abort your baby because you have to have sex with a woman to make one.
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Neymar on May 17, 2019, 08:15:06 PM
Why does it leave a bad taste in your mouth?


If you keep getting pregnant and having abortions it means you are fairly dumb.

Why?

This sounds like masucline woman shaming. A woman who gets multiple abortions isnt dumb.


What would be dumb is bringing kids in the world you cant afford, thus ruining the lives of many people.

It is dumb when you keep paying a doctor needlessly for the same avoidable medical procedure.  And yes, having multiple kids when you can't afford one is dumb also.

Its not needless if the woman doesnt want the baby. :shrug:

I personally do not believe in abortion (except in the case of oldsport and neymar) however, I can't get pregnant either.  I believe it should always be the right of the woman to choose if they are not married, if married it should be a joint decision.

Unless the husband can carry the baby its still the womans right to choose...unless perhaps you agree that a woman gives up her body in marriage?
This let’s me know that your dumb a**  has never been married. A marriage is a partnership. You make joint decision. If a wife aborts a baby without talking to her husband I’m sure in most cases the marriage will end if he finds out. P. S. I don’t believe she will be able to hide that she had the procedure from him unless he is as dumb as you are. You really need to stay in your dayum lane. ::)

It doesnt matter if its a "Partnership". Its her body.

Unless the man will have to give up a year of his life, rupture his genitals, and have his energy sapped by a PARASITE then he should have NO say. :shrug:
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Maroon and Gray on May 17, 2019, 08:21:31 PM
But it also leaves a very bad taste in my mouth when folk use it a revolving door birth control method

What proof do you have that “it a revolving door birth control method?”
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Que82 on May 17, 2019, 10:32:43 PM
Why does it leave a bad taste in your mouth?


If you keep getting pregnant and having abortions it means you are fairly dumb.

Why?

This sounds like masucline woman shaming. A woman who gets multiple abortions isnt dumb.


What would be dumb is bringing kids in the world you cant afford, thus ruining the lives of many people.

It is dumb when you keep paying a doctor needlessly for the same avoidable medical procedure.  And yes, having multiple kids when you can't afford one is dumb also.

Its not needless if the woman doesnt want the baby. :shrug:

I personally do not believe in abortion (except in the case of oldsport and neymar) however, I can't get pregnant either.  I believe it should always be the right of the woman to choose if they are not married, if married it should be a joint decision.

Unless the husband can carry the baby its still the womans right to choose...unless perhaps you agree that a woman gives up her body in marriage?
This let’s me know that your dumb a**  has never been married. A marriage is a partnership. You make joint decision. If a wife aborts a baby without talking to her husband I’m sure in most cases the marriage will end if he finds out. P. S. I don’t believe she will be able to hide that she had the procedure from him unless he is as dumb as you are. You really need to stay in your dayum lane. ::)

It doesnt matter if its a "Partnership". Its her body.

Unless the man will have to give up a year of his life, rupture his genitals, and have his energy sapped by a PARASITE then he should have NO say. :shrug:
Yeah, if you can get three married people on here to agree with that BS I'll consider it valid otherwise you can kick rocks. ::)
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Neymar on May 18, 2019, 11:57:52 AM
Why does it leave a bad taste in your mouth?


If you keep getting pregnant and having abortions it means you are fairly dumb.

Why?

This sounds like masucline woman shaming. A woman who gets multiple abortions isnt dumb.


What would be dumb is bringing kids in the world you cant afford, thus ruining the lives of many people.

It is dumb when you keep paying a doctor needlessly for the same avoidable medical procedure.  And yes, having multiple kids when you can't afford one is dumb also.

Its not needless if the woman doesnt want the baby. :shrug:

I personally do not believe in abortion (except in the case of oldsport and neymar) however, I can't get pregnant either.  I believe it should always be the right of the woman to choose if they are not married, if married it should be a joint decision.

Unless the husband can carry the baby its still the womans right to choose...unless perhaps you agree that a woman gives up her body in marriage?
This let’s me know that your dumb a**  has never been married. A marriage is a partnership. You make joint decision. If a wife aborts a baby without talking to her husband I’m sure in most cases the marriage will end if he finds out. P. S. I don’t believe she will be able to hide that she had the procedure from him unless he is as dumb as you are. You really need to stay in your dayum lane. ::)

It doesnt matter if its a "Partnership". Its her body.

Unless the man will have to give up a year of his life, rupture his genitals, and have his energy sapped by a PARASITE then he should have NO say. :shrug:
Yeah, if you can get three married people on here to agree with that BS I'll consider it valid otherwise you can kick rocks. ::)

An appeal to popularity?
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Que82 on May 18, 2019, 04:49:05 PM
Why does it leave a bad taste in your mouth?


If you keep getting pregnant and having abortions it means you are fairly dumb.

Why?

This sounds like masucline woman shaming. A woman who gets multiple abortions isnt dumb.


What would be dumb is bringing kids in the world you cant afford, thus ruining the lives of many people.

It is dumb when you keep paying a doctor needlessly for the same avoidable medical procedure.  And yes, having multiple kids when you can't afford one is dumb also.

Its not needless if the woman doesnt want the baby. :shrug:

I personally do not believe in abortion (except in the case of oldsport and neymar) however, I can't get pregnant either.  I believe it should always be the right of the woman to choose if they are not married, if married it should be a joint decision.

Unless the husband can carry the baby its still the womans right to choose...unless perhaps you agree that a woman gives up her body in marriage?
This let’s me know that your dumb a**  has never been married. A marriage is a partnership. You make joint decision. If a wife aborts a baby without talking to her husband I’m sure in most cases the marriage will end if he finds out. P. S. I don’t believe she will be able to hide that she had the procedure from him unless he is as dumb as you are. You really need to stay in your dayum lane. ::)

It doesnt matter if its a "Partnership". Its her body.

Unless the man will have to give up a year of his life, rupture his genitals, and have his energy sapped by a PARASITE then he should have NO say. :shrug:
Yeah, if you can get three married people on here to agree with that BS I'll consider it valid otherwise you can kick rocks. ::)

An appeal to popularity?
What would popularity have to do with it????  If you are correct they would say you are correct, however you always try to chime in and give advice on things you have no experience in.  You are giving advice on marriage when you have never been married.  That is stupid as heyal.  You also try to give advice on child rearing when you can hardly get a piece from your hand let alone make a baby. But I guess you should get a few point for being childish. ::) So what you have to say has little to no merit to me.  I personally believe that the only way most wives would have an abortion without talking to her husband is that the baby is going look like the mailman.  By the way, I wouldn't say that I'm that popular on this board but I guess it fair to say that most folks on here are more popular than you.
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Neymar on May 18, 2019, 05:31:04 PM
Why does it leave a bad taste in your mouth?


If you keep getting pregnant and having abortions it means you are fairly dumb.

Why?

This sounds like masucline woman shaming. A woman who gets multiple abortions isnt dumb.


What would be dumb is bringing kids in the world you cant afford, thus ruining the lives of many people.

It is dumb when you keep paying a doctor needlessly for the same avoidable medical procedure.  And yes, having multiple kids when you can't afford one is dumb also.

Its not needless if the woman doesnt want the baby. :shrug:

I personally do not believe in abortion (except in the case of oldsport and neymar) however, I can't get pregnant either.  I believe it should always be the right of the woman to choose if they are not married, if married it should be a joint decision.

Unless the husband can carry the baby its still the womans right to choose...unless perhaps you agree that a woman gives up her body in marriage?
This let’s me know that your dumb a**  has never been married. A marriage is a partnership. You make joint decision. If a wife aborts a baby without talking to her husband I’m sure in most cases the marriage will end if he finds out. P. S. I don’t believe she will be able to hide that she had the procedure from him unless he is as dumb as you are. You really need to stay in your dayum lane. ::)

It doesnt matter if its a "Partnership". Its her body.

Unless the man will have to give up a year of his life, rupture his genitals, and have his energy sapped by a PARASITE then he should have NO say. :shrug:
Yeah, if you can get three married people on here to agree with that BS I'll consider it valid otherwise you can kick rocks. ::)

An appeal to popularity?
What would popularity have to do with it????  If you are correct they would say you are correct, however you always try to chime in and give advice on things you have no experience in.  You are giving advice on marriage when you have never been married.  That is stupid as heyal.  You also try to give advice on child rearing when you can hardly get a piece from your hand let alone make a baby. But I guess you should get a few point for being childish. ::) So what you have to say has little to no merit to me.  I personally believe that the only way most wives would have an abortion without talking to her husband is that the baby is going look like the mailman.  By the way, I wouldn't say that I'm that popular on this board but I guess it fair to say that most folks on here are more popular than you.

An "Appeal to popularity" is a logical fallacy in which someone tries to say they are correct because other people agree with them, not a literal popularity check on this very forum.

We dont need to ask anybody on here. How about you tell your wife:

"You have no autonomy over your body unless I say so"

and tell us how she replies :popcorn:

I dont have to be married to tell you what she will say to you in that situation. Ive been places where women have no rights. You are not gonna be able to pull that on a modern western woman. You'll catch more hot grits than Al Greene :tiptoe: :tiptoe:
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Que82 on May 18, 2019, 05:54:33 PM
Why does it leave a bad taste in your mouth?


If you keep getting pregnant and having abortions it means you are fairly dumb.

Why?

This sounds like masucline woman shaming. A woman who gets multiple abortions isnt dumb.


What would be dumb is bringing kids in the world you cant afford, thus ruining the lives of many people.

It is dumb when you keep paying a doctor needlessly for the same avoidable medical procedure.  And yes, having multiple kids when you can't afford one is dumb also.

Its not needless if the woman doesnt want the baby. :shrug:

I personally do not believe in abortion (except in the case of oldsport and neymar) however, I can't get pregnant either.  I believe it should always be the right of the woman to choose if they are not married, if married it should be a joint decision.

Unless the husband can carry the baby its still the womans right to choose...unless perhaps you agree that a woman gives up her body in marriage?
This let’s me know that your dumb a**  has never been married. A marriage is a partnership. You make joint decision. If a wife aborts a baby without talking to her husband I’m sure in most cases the marriage will end if he finds out. P. S. I don’t believe she will be able to hide that she had the procedure from him unless he is as dumb as you are. You really need to stay in your dayum lane. ::)

It doesnt matter if its a "Partnership". Its her body.

Unless the man will have to give up a year of his life, rupture his genitals, and have his energy sapped by a PARASITE then he should have NO say. :shrug:
Yeah, if you can get three married people on here to agree with that BS I'll consider it valid otherwise you can kick rocks. ::)

An appeal to popularity?
What would popularity have to do with it????  If you are correct they would say you are correct, however you always try to chime in and give advice on things you have no experience in.  You are giving advice on marriage when you have never been married.  That is stupid as heyal.  You also try to give advice on child rearing when you can hardly get a piece from your hand let alone make a baby. But I guess you should get a few point for being childish. ::) So what you have to say has little to no merit to me.  I personally believe that the only way most wives would have an abortion without talking to her husband is that the baby is going look like the mailman.  By the way, I wouldn't say that I'm that popular on this board but I guess it fair to say that most folks on here are more popular than you.

An "Appeal to popularity" is a logical fallacy in which someone tries to say they are correct because other people agree with them, not a literal popularity check on this very forum.

We dont need to ask anybody on here. How about you tell your wife:

"You have no autonomy over your body unless I say so"

and tell us how she replies :popcorn:

I dont have to be married to tell you what she will say to you in that situation. Ive been places where women have no rights. You are not gonna be able to pull that on a modern western woman. You'll catch more hot grits than Al Greene :tiptoe: :tiptoe:
How do you know are you or have you been someone's wife????? Your statement let's me know you don't have a fcuking clue about the institution of marriage.  You might want to talk to some married women before you come out of your pie hole about what a married woman would do.  That BS you just spouted is the real "Appeal to popularity". ::)  By the way this has nothing to do with a woman not having rights this has to do with what goes on in a marriage which you have no idea about. ::)
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Que82 on May 18, 2019, 06:00:13 PM
And no I can't stop my wife from having an abortion if she wants to, but if she does it without us discussing it I can stop her from being my wife.
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Neymar on May 18, 2019, 06:00:51 PM
Why does it leave a bad taste in your mouth?


If you keep getting pregnant and having abortions it means you are fairly dumb.

Why?

This sounds like masucline woman shaming. A woman who gets multiple abortions isnt dumb.


What would be dumb is bringing kids in the world you cant afford, thus ruining the lives of many people.

It is dumb when you keep paying a doctor needlessly for the same avoidable medical procedure.  And yes, having multiple kids when you can't afford one is dumb also.

Its not needless if the woman doesnt want the baby. :shrug:

I personally do not believe in abortion (except in the case of oldsport and neymar) however, I can't get pregnant either.  I believe it should always be the right of the woman to choose if they are not married, if married it should be a joint decision.

Unless the husband can carry the baby its still the womans right to choose...unless perhaps you agree that a woman gives up her body in marriage?
This let’s me know that your dumb a**  has never been married. A marriage is a partnership. You make joint decision. If a wife aborts a baby without talking to her husband I’m sure in most cases the marriage will end if he finds out. P. S. I don’t believe she will be able to hide that she had the procedure from him unless he is as dumb as you are. You really need to stay in your dayum lane. ::)

It doesnt matter if its a "Partnership". Its her body.

Unless the man will have to give up a year of his life, rupture his genitals, and have his energy sapped by a PARASITE then he should have NO say. :shrug:
Yeah, if you can get three married people on here to agree with that BS I'll consider it valid otherwise you can kick rocks. ::)

An appeal to popularity?
What would popularity have to do with it????  If you are correct they would say you are correct, however you always try to chime in and give advice on things you have no experience in.  You are giving advice on marriage when you have never been married.  That is stupid as heyal.  You also try to give advice on child rearing when you can hardly get a piece from your hand let alone make a baby. But I guess you should get a few point for being childish. ::) So what you have to say has little to no merit to me.  I personally believe that the only way most wives would have an abortion without talking to her husband is that the baby is going look like the mailman.  By the way, I wouldn't say that I'm that popular on this board but I guess it fair to say that most folks on here are more popular than you.

An "Appeal to popularity" is a logical fallacy in which someone tries to say they are correct because other people agree with them, not a literal popularity check on this very forum.

We dont need to ask anybody on here. How about you tell your wife:

"You have no autonomy over your body unless I say so"

and tell us how she replies :popcorn:

I dont have to be married to tell you what she will say to you in that situation. Ive been places where women have no rights. You are not gonna be able to pull that on a modern western woman. You'll catch more hot grits than Al Greene :tiptoe: :tiptoe:
How do you know are you or have you been someone's wife????? Your statement let's me know you don't have a fcuking clue about the institution of marriage.  You might want to talk to some married women before you come out of your pie hole about what a married woman would do.  That BS you just spouted is the real "Appeal to popularity". ::)  By the way this has nothing to do with a woman not having rights this has to do with what goes on in a marriage which you have no idea about. ::)

You wont do it  ;)

Because you know how bad it sounds what you suggested.

Its HER body
Its HER choice


Just because you put a cheap ring on her finger doesnt mean you own her.
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Que82 on May 18, 2019, 06:10:07 PM
Why does it leave a bad taste in your mouth?


If you keep getting pregnant and having abortions it means you are fairly dumb.

Why?

This sounds like masucline woman shaming. A woman who gets multiple abortions isnt dumb.


What would be dumb is bringing kids in the world you cant afford, thus ruining the lives of many people.

It is dumb when you keep paying a doctor needlessly for the same avoidable medical procedure.  And yes, having multiple kids when you can't afford one is dumb also.

Its not needless if the woman doesnt want the baby. :shrug:

I personally do not believe in abortion (except in the case of oldsport and neymar) however, I can't get pregnant either.  I believe it should always be the right of the woman to choose if they are not married, if married it should be a joint decision.

Unless the husband can carry the baby its still the womans right to choose...unless perhaps you agree that a woman gives up her body in marriage?
This let’s me know that your dumb a**  has never been married. A marriage is a partnership. You make joint decision. If a wife aborts a baby without talking to her husband I’m sure in most cases the marriage will end if he finds out. P. S. I don’t believe she will be able to hide that she had the procedure from him unless he is as dumb as you are. You really need to stay in your dayum lane. ::)

It doesnt matter if its a "Partnership". Its her body.

Unless the man will have to give up a year of his life, rupture his genitals, and have his energy sapped by a PARASITE then he should have NO say. :shrug:
Yeah, if you can get three married people on here to agree with that BS I'll consider it valid otherwise you can kick rocks. ::)

An appeal to popularity?
What would popularity have to do with it????  If you are correct they would say you are correct, however you always try to chime in and give advice on things you have no experience in.  You are giving advice on marriage when you have never been married.  That is stupid as heyal.  You also try to give advice on child rearing when you can hardly get a piece from your hand let alone make a baby. But I guess you should get a few point for being childish. ::) So what you have to say has little to no merit to me.  I personally believe that the only way most wives would have an abortion without talking to her husband is that the baby is going look like the mailman.  By the way, I wouldn't say that I'm that popular on this board but I guess it fair to say that most folks on here are more popular than you.

An "Appeal to popularity" is a logical fallacy in which someone tries to say they are correct because other people agree with them, not a literal popularity check on this very forum.

We dont need to ask anybody on here. How about you tell your wife:

"You have no autonomy over your body unless I say so"

and tell us how she replies :popcorn:

I dont have to be married to tell you what she will say to you in that situation. Ive been places where women have no rights. You are not gonna be able to pull that on a modern western woman. You'll catch more hot grits than Al Greene :tiptoe: :tiptoe:
How do you know are you or have you been someone's wife????? Your statement let's me know you don't have a fcuking clue about the institution of marriage.  You might want to talk to some married women before you come out of your pie hole about what a married woman would do.  That BS you just spouted is the real "Appeal to popularity". ::)  By the way this has nothing to do with a woman not having rights this has to do with what goes on in a marriage which you have no idea about. ::)

You wont do it  ;)

Because you know how bad it sounds what you suggested.

Its HER body
Its HER choice


Just because you put a cheap ring on her finger doesn't mean you own her.
Now I understand why you can't get laid, you are a moron and I am a moron for debating this with you. The marriage vows which you obviously know nothing about says "they are no longer twain but one flesh." Again yes its her body her choice and its my choice not to be married to a wife who makes that kind of decision without us coming to a mutual agreement.  If you get married and make a major decision without consulting your husband it will become clear to you. 
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Que82 on May 18, 2019, 06:20:24 PM
"I dont have to be married to tell you what she will say to you in that situation. Ive been places where women have no rights. You are not gonna be able to pull that on a modern western woman. You'll catch more hot grits than Al Greene :tiptoe: :tiptoe:"

I'm still baffled by the fact that you think because you have been in countries where women have no rights it gives you the credibility to speak on what happily married women in the US do in a marriage.   :shrug:  The only topic I personally think you should comment on as a subject matter expert is the jacking off at work thread.  :nod:
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: y04185 on May 18, 2019, 06:33:45 PM
This quickly turned into the sh!t on Neymar show.
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Que82 on May 18, 2019, 06:43:11 PM
This quickly turned into the sh!t on Neymar show.
No this became a neymar climbed down the hole in the outhouse seat contest.

capler clearly stated "I hope this discussion does not become a political finger pointing pissing contest. I would like to have this discussion based on your personal beliefs.

So what does he do?  He starts critiquing other folks opinion without even posting his own.
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Nomenclature on May 18, 2019, 08:35:51 PM
The fundamental right a person should be allowed to have is the ability to have the choice -- the option to choose. Take religion and politics out of it -- choice is the essence. Governments shouldn't be in the business of legislating what folks do with their bodies.
 
 
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Maroon and Gray on May 18, 2019, 08:36:01 PM
......and Capler still hasn’t responded to my question.  :tiptoe:
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Neymar on May 19, 2019, 06:40:34 AM
Why does it leave a bad taste in your mouth?


If you keep getting pregnant and having abortions it means you are fairly dumb.

Why?

This sounds like masucline woman shaming. A woman who gets multiple abortions isnt dumb.


What would be dumb is bringing kids in the world you cant afford, thus ruining the lives of many people.

It is dumb when you keep paying a doctor needlessly for the same avoidable medical procedure.  And yes, having multiple kids when you can't afford one is dumb also.

Its not needless if the woman doesnt want the baby. :shrug:

I personally do not believe in abortion (except in the case of oldsport and neymar) however, I can't get pregnant either.  I believe it should always be the right of the woman to choose if they are not married, if married it should be a joint decision.

Unless the husband can carry the baby its still the womans right to choose...unless perhaps you agree that a woman gives up her body in marriage?
This let’s me know that your dumb a**  has never been married. A marriage is a partnership. You make joint decision. If a wife aborts a baby without talking to her husband I’m sure in most cases the marriage will end if he finds out. P. S. I don’t believe she will be able to hide that she had the procedure from him unless he is as dumb as you are. You really need to stay in your dayum lane. ::)

It doesnt matter if its a "Partnership". Its her body.

Unless the man will have to give up a year of his life, rupture his genitals, and have his energy sapped by a PARASITE then he should have NO say. :shrug:
Yeah, if you can get three married people on here to agree with that BS I'll consider it valid otherwise you can kick rocks. ::)

An appeal to popularity?
What would popularity have to do with it????  If you are correct they would say you are correct, however you always try to chime in and give advice on things you have no experience in.  You are giving advice on marriage when you have never been married.  That is stupid as heyal.  You also try to give advice on child rearing when you can hardly get a piece from your hand let alone make a baby. But I guess you should get a few point for being childish. ::) So what you have to say has little to no merit to me.  I personally believe that the only way most wives would have an abortion without talking to her husband is that the baby is going look like the mailman.  By the way, I wouldn't say that I'm that popular on this board but I guess it fair to say that most folks on here are more popular than you.

An "Appeal to popularity" is a logical fallacy in which someone tries to say they are correct because other people agree with them, not a literal popularity check on this very forum.

We dont need to ask anybody on here. How about you tell your wife:

"You have no autonomy over your body unless I say so"

and tell us how she replies :popcorn:

I dont have to be married to tell you what she will say to you in that situation. Ive been places where women have no rights. You are not gonna be able to pull that on a modern western woman. You'll catch more hot grits than Al Greene :tiptoe: :tiptoe:
How do you know are you or have you been someone's wife????? Your statement let's me know you don't have a fcuking clue about the institution of marriage.  You might want to talk to some married women before you come out of your pie hole about what a married woman would do.  That BS you just spouted is the real "Appeal to popularity". ::)  By the way this has nothing to do with a woman not having rights this has to do with what goes on in a marriage which you have no idea about. ::)

You wont do it  ;)

Because you know how bad it sounds what you suggested.

Its HER body
Its HER choice


Just because you put a cheap ring on her finger doesn't mean you own her.
Now I understand why you can't get laid, you are a moron and I am a moron for debating this with you. The marriage vows which you obviously know nothing about says "they are no longer twain but one flesh." Again yes its her body her choice and its my choice not to be married to a wife who makes that kind of decision without us coming to a mutual agreement.  If you get married and make a major decision without consulting your husband it will become clear to you.

So it officially isnt her choice in your eyes?

Honestly I think this may be a generational thing, or perhaps even my laid back approach to relationships.

If I respect a woman enough to wife her, then I respect her enough to trust the decisions she make with her body. I would never think of divorcing her for doing what she feels best.
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: j1908 on May 19, 2019, 12:34:54 PM
My response and only response Why are men having a discussion about about abortion?
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Capler on May 19, 2019, 12:36:47 PM
Neymar, suppose the two of you get into a big fight and she uses her pregnancy  as a weapon to get even with you. Do you feel you have no say so in the situation? Trust me, I've seen that stage play many times. Then you have others who will give birth and also use the child as a weapon against the father.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Capler on May 19, 2019, 12:53:22 PM
My response and only response Why are men having a discussion about about abortion?

Men provide half the genes, so that makes him an investor. But I do feel men should not use laws to force the issue.  Both people involved should come together and make the decision. Women don't have the biological right to remove men from the process. I don't feel women have more rights because she carries the child for 9 months. That is simply one of the consequences of biology, everyone knew going in. If you don't want to carry a child, don't put yourself in a situation where you have to.
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Neymar on May 19, 2019, 02:11:16 PM
Neymar, suppose the two of you get into a big fight and she uses her pregnancy  as a weapon to get even with you. Do you feel you have no say so in the situation? Trust me, I've seen that stage play many times. Then you have others who will give birth and also use the child as a weapon against the father.  :shrug:

If shes that spiteful then the baby would, more than likely, be a lost cause anyway.

I would hold the L and divorce her. If the kid is already in the world I would try to get full custody. If I couldnt I would set up a 2 funds. One in a bank account used solely to provide child support payments. Another in a trust that would be given to the kid at 18. I would probably cease contact with both though.
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Capler on May 19, 2019, 03:23:58 PM
Neymar, suppose the two of you get into a big fight and she uses her pregnancy  as a weapon to get even with you. Do you feel you have no say so in the situation? Trust me, I've seen that stage play many times. Then you have others who will give birth and also use the child as a weapon against the father.  :shrug:

If shes that spiteful then the baby would, more than likely, be a lost cause anyway.

I would hold the L and divorce her. If the kid is already in the world I would try to get full custody. If I couldnt I would set up a 2 funds. One in a bank account used solely to provide child support payments. Another in a trust that would be given to the kid at 18. I would probably cease contact with both though.

You sound like you will make a good daddy. Don't let Que know I said that, or he will go bonkers and start calling me names too. He's still reeling from that prom gun photo, so if you really want to finish the job, this is the time to do it, considering his weakened state.   :nod:
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Neymar on May 19, 2019, 03:31:10 PM
Neymar, suppose the two of you get into a big fight and she uses her pregnancy  as a weapon to get even with you. Do you feel you have no say so in the situation? Trust me, I've seen that stage play many times. Then you have others who will give birth and also use the child as a weapon against the father.  :shrug:

If shes that spiteful then the baby would, more than likely, be a lost cause anyway.

I would hold the L and divorce her. If the kid is already in the world I would try to get full custody. If I couldnt I would set up a 2 funds. One in a bank account used solely to provide child support payments. Another in a trust that would be given to the kid at 18. I would probably cease contact with both though.

You sound like you will make a good daddy. Don't let Que know I said that, or he will go bonkers and start calling me names too. He's still reeling from that prom gun photo, so if you really want to finish the job, this is the time to do it, considering his weakened state.   :nod:

I would be open minded and accepting. I know African men have a pretty poor reputation for being distant or strict but that is not how I would run my ship.

I think a child's expression is the best thing they have going for themselves.
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: JBROB on May 19, 2019, 04:26:09 PM
In 2015, unmarried women accounted for 86% of all abortions (CDC).

https://abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: CU1994 on May 19, 2019, 05:34:52 PM
My response and only response Why are men having a discussion about about abortion?

This
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Que82 on May 19, 2019, 09:54:05 PM
Neymar, suppose the two of you get into a big fight and she uses her pregnancy  as a weapon to get even with you. Do you feel you have no say so in the situation? Trust me, I've seen that stage play many times. Then you have others who will give birth and also use the child as a weapon against the father.  :shrug:

If shes that spiteful then the baby would, more than likely, be a lost cause anyway.

I would hold the L and divorce her. If the kid is already in the world I would try to get full custody. If I couldnt I would set up a 2 funds. One in a bank account used solely to provide child support payments. Another in a trust that would be given to the kid at 18. I would probably cease contact with both though.

You sound like you will make a good daddy. Don't let Que know I said that, or he will go bonkers and start calling me names too. He's still reeling from that prom gun photo, so if you really want to finish the job, this is the time to do it, considering his weakened state.   :nod:
That's right encourage him to come out in the deep water where the sharks can eat him alive. Good daddy my ass.  Neither one of you have the credentials to know what parenting is, let alone good parenting. The only way a women would get pregnant from that clown is if she came in contact with residue from his hand. ::)   By the way next time you need to put some speck on my name.
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Que82 on May 19, 2019, 10:01:33 PM
Why does it leave a bad taste in your mouth?


If you keep getting pregnant and having abortions it means you are fairly dumb.

Why?

This sounds like masucline woman shaming. A woman who gets multiple abortions isnt dumb.


What would be dumb is bringing kids in the world you cant afford, thus ruining the lives of many people.

It is dumb when you keep paying a doctor needlessly for the same avoidable medical procedure.  And yes, having multiple kids when you can't afford one is dumb also.

Its not needless if the woman doesnt want the baby. :shrug:

I personally do not believe in abortion (except in the case of oldsport and neymar) however, I can't get pregnant either.  I believe it should always be the right of the woman to choose if they are not married, if married it should be a joint decision.

Unless the husband can carry the baby its still the womans right to choose...unless perhaps you agree that a woman gives up her body in marriage?
This let’s me know that your dumb a**  has never been married. A marriage is a partnership. You make joint decision. If a wife aborts a baby without talking to her husband I’m sure in most cases the marriage will end if he finds out. P. S. I don’t believe she will be able to hide that she had the procedure from him unless he is as dumb as you are. You really need to stay in your dayum lane. ::)

It doesnt matter if its a "Partnership". Its her body.

Unless the man will have to give up a year of his life, rupture his genitals, and have his energy sapped by a PARASITE then he should have NO say. :shrug:
Yeah, if you can get three married people on here to agree with that BS I'll consider it valid otherwise you can kick rocks. ::)

An appeal to popularity?
What would popularity have to do with it????  If you are correct they would say you are correct, however you always try to chime in and give advice on things you have no experience in.  You are giving advice on marriage when you have never been married.  That is stupid as heyal.  You also try to give advice on child rearing when you can hardly get a piece from your hand let alone make a baby. But I guess you should get a few point for being childish. ::) So what you have to say has little to no merit to me.  I personally believe that the only way most wives would have an abortion without talking to her husband is that the baby is going look like the mailman.  By the way, I wouldn't say that I'm that popular on this board but I guess it fair to say that most folks on here are more popular than you.

An "Appeal to popularity" is a logical fallacy in which someone tries to say they are correct because other people agree with them, not a literal popularity check on this very forum.

We dont need to ask anybody on here. How about you tell your wife:

"You have no autonomy over your body unless I say so"

and tell us how she replies :popcorn:

I dont have to be married to tell you what she will say to you in that situation. Ive been places where women have no rights. You are not gonna be able to pull that on a modern western woman. You'll catch more hot grits than Al Greene :tiptoe: :tiptoe:
How do you know are you or have you been someone's wife????? Your statement let's me know you don't have a fcuking clue about the institution of marriage.  You might want to talk to some married women before you come out of your pie hole about what a married woman would do.  That BS you just spouted is the real "Appeal to popularity". ::)  By the way this has nothing to do with a woman not having rights this has to do with what goes on in a marriage which you have no idea about. ::)

You wont do it  ;)

Because you know how bad it sounds what you suggested.

Its HER body
Its HER choice


Just because you put a cheap ring on her finger doesn't mean you own her.
Now I understand why you can't get laid, you are a moron and I am a moron for debating this with you. The marriage vows which you obviously know nothing about says "they are no longer twain but one flesh." Again yes its her body her choice and its my choice not to be married to a wife who makes that kind of decision without us coming to a mutual agreement.  If you get married and make a major decision without consulting your husband it will become clear to you.

So it officially isnt her choice in your eyes?

Honestly I think this may be a generational thing, or perhaps even my laid back approach to relationships.

If I respect a woman enough to wife her, then I respect her enough to trust the decisions she make with her body. I would never think of divorcing her for doing what she feels best.
So what do you base you premise on "Ifs."   :nono2: Ifs don't cut it in real life, so if you haven't been there you wouldn't understand. Taking marital advice from you is like taking marital advice from a counseling whose been divorced 13 times. I realize you African are trying to over that stigma of being a controlling husband but I not sure what made you feel comfortable enough to try to critique my opinion on this issue.  You do you and I'll do me!
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Que82 on May 19, 2019, 10:08:20 PM
My response and only response Why are men having a discussion about about abortion?
Hummmm???? Well y'all talk about football.  That's all I got. :shrug:
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Capler on May 20, 2019, 12:40:42 AM
My response and only response Why are men having a discussion about about abortion?
Hummmm???? Well y'all talk about football.  That's all I got. :shrug:

Ouch!
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: CU1994 on May 20, 2019, 06:28:30 AM
My response and only response Why are men having a discussion about about abortion?
Hummmm???? Well y'all talk about football.  That's all I got. :shrug:

 :o
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Jay_Thomas on May 20, 2019, 08:34:08 AM
Folks have opinions about any and everything, abortion included. Discussions are good, I believe. What folks need to be discussing is how to get these bamafied inbred yahoos OUT OF THESE POLICY-MAKING-POSITIONS....because what insane law will they pass next?   ::)  :shrug:  :tongue2:   If a woman wants to go have 6 or 7 abortions [heyal I worked with one who did and she was married], I don't give a frog's fat a$$ about it.  ::) Ain't my wife, ain't my baby, ain't my $$$ - have at it. I'm planning trips and chit.  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Ken on May 20, 2019, 09:33:42 AM
Agree and believe it or not there are some female football teams-- ain't seen a pregnant guy yet.
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Que82 on May 20, 2019, 03:06:15 PM
Folks have opinions about any and everything, abortion included. Discussions are good, I believe. What folks need to be discussing is how to get these bamafied inbred yahoos OUT OF THESE POLICY-MAKING-POSITIONS....because what insane law will they pass next?   ::)  :shrug:  :tongue2:   If a woman wants to go have 6 or 7 abortions [heyal I worked with one who did and she was married], I don't give a frog's fat a$$ about it.  ::) Ain't my wife, ain't my baby, ain't my $$$ - have at it. I'm planning trips and chit.  :popcorn:
According to neymar it doesn't make a difference if its your wife or baby.
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Que82 on May 20, 2019, 03:14:11 PM
Agree and believe it or not there are some female football teams-- ain't seen a pregnant guy yet.
Does a transgender count????
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Capler on May 20, 2019, 03:40:13 PM
Agree and believe it or not there are some female football teams-- ain't seen a pregnant guy yet.
Does a transgender count????

If you want it to count, we have no problems with it.
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Bearforlife on May 20, 2019, 04:51:49 PM
I'm ardently pro choice. And by pro-choice, I mean women have all choices up to and including abortions for whatever reason she deems necessary.

Abortions bans will impact poor, black and brown women who are already occupying the lowest paying jobs in the country. Yes, despite popular thought, black women STILL as a group make less than black men. So being saddled with unwanted babies will push them further in the hole.

If women do not have access to birth control that is cost effective, they're going to get pregnant. If men wont use condoms, they're going to get pregnant. The same people pushing to ban abortion want to limit access to birth control options for women.

I want people to stay out of women's bodily functions.
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Capler on May 20, 2019, 05:20:14 PM
But Bear, if she willingly lets a man in, he's part of it, right? I do not advocate taking the 'D' and then tossing the man off to the side like he is a used condom. Biologically the two of you are equal partners.
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Que82 on May 20, 2019, 10:11:10 PM
I'm ardently pro choice. And by pro-choice, I mean women have all choices up to and including abortions for whatever reason she deems necessary.

Abortions bans will impact poor, black and brown women who are already occupying the lowest paying jobs in the country. Yes, despite popular thought, black women STILL as a group make less than black men. So being saddled with unwanted babies will push them further in the hole.

If women do not have access to birth control that is cost effective, they're going to get pregnant. If men wont use condoms, they're going to get pregnant. ???? The same people pushing to ban abortion want to limit access to birth control options for women.

I want people to stay out of women's bodily functions.
Not directed at you Bearforlife but, Whatever happened to "no glove, no love????"   :shrug:
Title: Re: Lets have a non political discussion about abortion.
Post by: Bearforlife on May 21, 2019, 09:48:47 AM
I'm ardently pro choice. And by pro-choice, I mean women have all choices up to and including abortions for whatever reason she deems necessary.

Abortions bans will impact poor, black and brown women who are already occupying the lowest paying jobs in the country. Yes, despite popular thought, black women STILL as a group make less than black men. So being saddled with unwanted babies will push them further in the hole.

If women do not have access to birth control that is cost effective, they're going to get pregnant. If men wont use condoms, they're going to get pregnant. ???? The same people pushing to ban abortion want to limit access to birth control options for women.

I want people to stay out of women's bodily functions.
Not directed at you Bearforlife but, Whatever happened to "no glove, no love????"   :shrug:

Statistically, teen births are down. But because babies are still being born, we know folk aren't using condoms like they should. Again, if access to birth control is limited or eliminated, women are going to get pregnant.