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Title: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: EPJr on February 01, 2019, 03:14:26 PM
https://hbcugameday.com/2019/02/01/ncat-cheerleader-rape-drum-major-claims-title-ix-ignored/?fbclid=IwAR3hWbQHYIB_u2ICEjld2X8ZyEDR08fr0PiCz6GsqXEtqnnAOn3Ks5RWY4I   :brickwall:
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: bluedog on February 01, 2019, 04:42:16 PM
Not a good time for this. Hoping it isn't nothing to it.
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: TheBlackPanther on February 01, 2019, 05:37:53 PM
Now that this has gone public, someone has to lose their job if her story has any truth to it.
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: InTheHunt on February 02, 2019, 04:31:42 PM
Now that this has gone public, someone has to lose their job if her story has any truth to it.

Agreed. Someone with a title and management level....
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: Aggie D. on February 02, 2019, 06:40:08 PM
This is tough to hear about. Certainly not a good time. I know the coaches, went to high school and T with them but if they failed to immediately report this they have to go.
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: Capler on February 03, 2019, 12:54:09 AM
Where is the police report? Step one after being raped is to go to the hospital so evidence can be preserved. You don't go to the school and start making demands. If there is no evidence it becomes she said-he said.
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: InTheHunt on February 03, 2019, 09:01:30 AM
Where is the police report? Step one after being raped is to go to the hospital so evidence can be preserved. You don't go to the school and start making demands. If there is no evidence it becomes she said-he said.

There is a thing called the Clery Act and Title IX.... might want to google them.
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: Jay_Thomas on February 03, 2019, 10:09:16 AM
BUT that act requires the school to make sure that sexual assault, rapes, violence is reported and made public. It does not prohibit the victim from contacting the police first. The victim can still contact the school officials after they have first called the police to the scene
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: InTheHunt on February 03, 2019, 10:41:07 AM
BUT that act requires the school to make sure that sexual assault, rapes, violence is reported and made public. It does not prohibit the victim from contacting the police first. The victim can still contact the school officials after they have first called the police to the scene

Not all sexual assaults happen like an after school special or an episode of law & order...
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: Capler on February 03, 2019, 12:22:04 PM
BUT that act requires the school to make sure that sexual assault, rapes, violence is reported and made public. It does not prohibit the victim from contacting the police first. The victim can still contact the school officials after they have first called the police to the scene

Not all sexual assaults happen like an after school special or an episode of law & order...

That's true but you still need evidence. The days are gone where you can accuse someone of rape with out evidence or some other mitigating factors.  I'm not saying it did not happen, but it becomes a steep hill to climb when you delay. The male's word is just as good as hers. Here is another question, why isn't she going after her attacker also? Could it be that she talked to the magistrate and was told her that there is not enough evidence to make an arrest? By default, she decided that the school is the low hanging fruit on the way to a potential financial settlement? Basically if the school starts punishing staff members,  in essence that is admitting guilt, which strengthens her hand as it relates to an eventual financial settlement.

Consider this, suppose she went to the school and discussed it, but  an internal investigation  found there was not enough evidence to take it further, then what?

Also why have her squad  mates taken one step back and left her hanging alone? Typically when you have a sisterhood such as with cheerleaders, they stick together and are supportive of one of their own.

Could there have been some inference from the college in keeping her from going to the police, yes but here is the rub with that? I can see the band director trying to protect one of his members, but I just don't see the cheerleader coach protecting a band member for assaulting one of her girls?  :shrug:

This whole situation smells a little bit fishy to me.
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: JBROB on February 03, 2019, 03:26:17 PM
Things can get bad.

From 2014


Former ECSU Police Chief found guilty, won’t go to jail

Since the investigation, the University’s chancellor resigned, the student’s alleged attacker was arrested and a new police chief was hired.

https://myfox8.com/2014/11/05/former-ecsu-police-chief-found-guilty-wont-go-to-jail/
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: InTheHunt on February 03, 2019, 11:23:28 PM
BUT that act requires the school to make sure that sexual assault, rapes, violence is reported and made public. It does not prohibit the victim from contacting the police first. The victim can still contact the school officials after they have first called the police to the scene

Not all sexual assaults happen like an after school special or an episode of law & order...

That's true but you still need evidence. The days are gone where you can accuse someone of rape with out evidence or some other mitigating factors.  I'm not saying it did not happen, but it becomes a steep hill to climb when you delay. The male's word is just as good as hers. Here is another question, why isn't she going after her attacker also? Could it be that she talked to the magistrate and was told her that there is not enough evidence to make an arrest? By default, she decided that the school is the low hanging fruit on the way to a potential financial settlement? Basically if the school starts punishing staff members,  in essence that is admitting guilt, which strengthens her hand as it relates to an eventual financial settlement.

Consider this, suppose she went to the school and discussed it, but  an internal investigation  found there was not enough evidence to take it further, then what?

Also why have her squad  mates taken one step back and left her hanging alone? Typically when you have a sisterhood such as with cheerleaders, they stick together and are supportive of one of their own.

Could there have been some inference from the college in keeping her from going to the police, yes but here is the rub with that? I can see the band director trying to protect one of his members, but I just don't see the cheerleader coach protecting a band member for assaulting one of her girls?  :shrug:

This whole situation smells a little bit fishy to me.

Well her cheer mates, including the captain has made a statement supporting the young lady on social media and denied that they aren't supporting her. We shall see how this plays out...
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: Capler on February 04, 2019, 12:34:42 AM
BUT that act requires the school to make sure that sexual assault, rapes, violence is reported and made public. It does not prohibit the victim from contacting the police first. The victim can still contact the school officials after they have first called the police to the scene

Not all sexual assaults happen like an after school special or an episode of law & order...

That's true but you still need evidence. The days are gone where you can accuse someone of rape with out evidence or some other mitigating factors.  I'm not saying it did not happen, but it becomes a steep hill to climb when you delay. The male's word is just as good as hers. Here is another question, why isn't she going after her attacker also? Could it be that she talked to the magistrate and was told her that there is not enough evidence to make an arrest? By default, she decided that the school is the low hanging fruit on the way to a potential financial settlement? Basically if the school starts punishing staff members,  in essence that is admitting guilt, which strengthens her hand as it relates to an eventual financial settlement.

Consider this, suppose she went to the school and discussed it, but  an internal investigation  found there was not enough evidence to take it further, then what?

Also why have her squad  mates taken one step back and left her hanging alone? Typically when you have a sisterhood such as with cheerleaders, they stick together and are supportive of one of their own.

Could there have been some inference from the college in keeping her from going to the police, yes but here is the rub with that? I can see the band director trying to protect one of his members, but I just don't see the cheerleader coach protecting a band member for assaulting one of her girls?  :shrug:

This whole situation smells a little bit fishy to me.

Well her cheer mates, including the captain has made a statement supporting the young lady on social media and denied that they aren't supporting her. We shall see how this plays out...

From what I saw on Twitter, she's getting 100% support from women. No one is questioning the validity of the  situation at all. Yet the 'gay guy' from Empire is forced to defend himself because black bloggers are raking him over the coals and are saying he make the situation up. Why do we automatically believe women when they make these types of accusations? I can tell you story after story of women who made up assault charge just to get even with a man. It happened to a friend of mind last month. He left his wife and moved in with his girlfriend. Wife lured him back over, funked him and waited till he went to sleep, took pictures of him in bed naked and sent them to the girlfriend and then she called the cops and told them he assaulted her. That was her way of saying, 'I'm having the final word in this situation'. When he told me this, I cussed his little a$$ out for being so freaking stupid by jumping back into her bed.  It is because of people like his ex,  I now need proof before I believe such accusations.
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: Professor on February 04, 2019, 09:39:15 AM
BUT that act requires the school to make sure that sexual assault, rapes, violence is reported and made public. It does not prohibit the victim from contacting the police first. The victim can still contact the school officials after they have first called the police to the scene

Not all sexual assaults happen like an after school special or an episode of law & order...

That's true but you still need evidence. The days are gone where you can accuse someone of rape with out evidence or some other mitigating factors.  I'm not saying it did not happen, but it becomes a steep hill to climb when you delay. The male's word is just as good as hers. Here is another question, why isn't she going after her attacker also? Could it be that she talked to the magistrate and was told her that there is not enough evidence to make an arrest? By default, she decided that the school is the low hanging fruit on the way to a potential financial settlement? Basically if the school starts punishing staff members,  in essence that is admitting guilt, which strengthens her hand as it relates to an eventual financial settlement.

Consider this, suppose she went to the school and discussed it, but  an internal investigation  found there was not enough evidence to take it further, then what?

Also why have her squad  mates taken one step back and left her hanging alone? Typically when you have a sisterhood such as with cheerleaders, they stick together and are supportive of one of their own.

Could there have been some inference from the college in keeping her from going to the police, yes but here is the rub with that? I can see the band director trying to protect one of his members, but I just don't see the cheerleader coach protecting a band member for assaulting one of her girls?  :shrug:

This whole situation smells a little bit fishy to me.

Oh they are going after him. His name is all over social media.

Also their are flyers with his picture posted on campus with flyers with his name , address and phone number. It reads, ...I Am a Rapist, Beware of me. My cell phone number is ###-###-####, Will you be the next rape victim
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: Capler on February 04, 2019, 10:21:45 AM
BUT that act requires the school to make sure that sexual assault, rapes, violence is reported and made public. It does not prohibit the victim from contacting the police first. The victim can still contact the school officials after they have first called the police to the scene

Not all sexual assaults happen like an after school special or an episode of law & order...

That's true but you still need evidence. The days are gone where you can accuse someone of rape with out evidence or some other mitigating factors.  I'm not saying it did not happen, but it becomes a steep hill to climb when you delay. The male's word is just as good as hers. Here is another question, why isn't she going after her attacker also? Could it be that she talked to the magistrate and was told her that there is not enough evidence to make an arrest? By default, she decided that the school is the low hanging fruit on the way to a potential financial settlement? Basically if the school starts punishing staff members,  in essence that is admitting guilt, which strengthens her hand as it relates to an eventual financial settlement.

Consider this, suppose she went to the school and discussed it, but  an internal investigation  found there was not enough evidence to take it further, then what?

Also why have her squad  mates taken one step back and left her hanging alone? Typically when you have a sisterhood such as with cheerleaders, they stick together and are supportive of one of their own.

Could there have been some inference from the college in keeping her from going to the police, yes but here is the rub with that? I can see the band director trying to protect one of his members, but I just don't see the cheerleader coach protecting a band member for assaulting one of her girls?  :shrug:

This whole situation smells a little bit fishy to me.

Oh they are going after him. His name is all over social media.

Also their are flyers with his picture posted on campus with flyers with his name , address and phone number. It reads, ...I Am a Rapist, Beware of me. My cell phone number is ###-###-####, Will you be the next rape victim

I would love to know the backstory. Why were there no criminal charges?  I have compassion for people who are assaulted but when it happens, you have to make sure everything is in place to support your claim. These are serious charges where no-one emerges unscathed.  Unless her supporters were in the room or have seen some irrefutable evidence,  they are wrong to out the guy that way. Supporting your girl is not reason enough to do that.
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: WileECoyote06 on February 04, 2019, 02:39:44 PM
BUT that act requires the school to make sure that sexual assault, rapes, violence is reported and made public. It does not prohibit the victim from contacting the police first. The victim can still contact the school officials after they have first called the police to the scene

Not all sexual assaults happen like an after school special or an episode of law & order...

That's true but you still need evidence. The days are gone where you can accuse someone of rape with out evidence or some other mitigating factors.  I'm not saying it did not happen, but it becomes a steep hill to climb when you delay. The male's word is just as good as hers. Here is another question, why isn't she going after her attacker also? Could it be that she talked to the magistrate and was told her that there is not enough evidence to make an arrest? By default, she decided that the school is the low hanging fruit on the way to a potential financial settlement? Basically if the school starts punishing staff members,  in essence that is admitting guilt, which strengthens her hand as it relates to an eventual financial settlement.

Consider this, suppose she went to the school and discussed it, but  an internal investigation  found there was not enough evidence to take it further, then what?

Also why have her squad  mates taken one step back and left her hanging alone? Typically when you have a sisterhood such as with cheerleaders, they stick together and are supportive of one of their own.

Could there have been some inference from the college in keeping her from going to the police, yes but here is the rub with that? I can see the band director trying to protect one of his members, but I just don't see the cheerleader coach protecting a band member for assaulting one of her girls?  :shrug:

This whole situation smells a little bit fishy to me.

Oh they are going after him. His name is all over social media.

Also their are flyers with his picture posted on campus with flyers with his name , address and phone number. It reads, ...I Am a Rapist, Beware of me. My cell phone number is ###-###-####, Will you be the next rape victim

I would love to know the backstory. Why were there no criminal charges?  I have compassion for people who are assaulted but when it happens, you have to make sure everything is in place to support your claim. These are serious charges where no-one emerges unscathed.  Unless her supporters were in the room or have seen some irrefutable evidence,  they are wrong to out the guy that way. Supporting your girl is not reason enough to do that.

Nearly 80% of rapes and sexual assaults go unreported.  I don't think it's fair to dismiss claims just because a person didn't involve law enforcement.  She may have been traumatized. 

Ultimately, if the university officials refused to or failed to report an incident of which they had knowledge or were informed; they are wrong.   The policy has changed slightly since the DeVos administration took over, and I'm not familiar with all of the changes.  That being said, most colleges will still hold staff/faculty/coaches/advisers accountable, for not reporting it.  They will probably be terminated.
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: Aggie D. on February 04, 2019, 03:14:15 PM
There are so many questions with this situation.  I question the whole social media approach to trying to resolve the issue.  However, the concern here is did she reported this matter to her coaches and did they immediately act?  If she reported the rape to her Cheer coaches and they failed to immediately act that is a major problem that should certainly have serious consequences.   
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: InTheHunt on February 04, 2019, 03:53:10 PM
BUT that act requires the school to make sure that sexual assault, rapes, violence is reported and made public. It does not prohibit the victim from contacting the police first. The victim can still contact the school officials after they have first called the police to the scene

Not all sexual assaults happen like an after school special or an episode of law & order...

That's true but you still need evidence. The days are gone where you can accuse someone of rape with out evidence or some other mitigating factors.  I'm not saying it did not happen, but it becomes a steep hill to climb when you delay. The male's word is just as good as hers. Here is another question, why isn't she going after her attacker also? Could it be that she talked to the magistrate and was told her that there is not enough evidence to make an arrest? By default, she decided that the school is the low hanging fruit on the way to a potential financial settlement? Basically if the school starts punishing staff members,  in essence that is admitting guilt, which strengthens her hand as it relates to an eventual financial settlement.

Consider this, suppose she went to the school and discussed it, but  an internal investigation  found there was not enough evidence to take it further, then what?

Also why have her squad  mates taken one step back and left her hanging alone? Typically when you have a sisterhood such as with cheerleaders, they stick together and are supportive of one of their own.

Could there have been some inference from the college in keeping her from going to the police, yes but here is the rub with that? I can see the band director trying to protect one of his members, but I just don't see the cheerleader coach protecting a band member for assaulting one of her girls?  :shrug:

This whole situation smells a little bit fishy to me.

Well her cheer mates, including the captain has made a statement supporting the young lady on social media and denied that they aren't supporting her. We shall see how this plays out...

From what I saw on Twitter, she's getting 100% support from women. No one is questioning the validity of the  situation at all. Yet the 'gay guy' from Empire is forced to defend himself because black bloggers are raking him over the coals and are saying he make the situation up. Why do we automatically believe women when they make these types of accusations? I can tell you story after story of women who made up assault charge just to get even with a man. It happened to a friend of mind last month. He left his wife and moved in with his girlfriend. Wife lured him back over, funked him and waited till he went to sleep, took pictures of him in bed naked and sent them to the girlfriend and then she called the cops and told them he assaulted her. That was her way of saying, 'I'm having the final word in this situation'. When he told me this, I cussed his little a$$ out for being so freaking stupid by jumping back into her bed.  It is because of people like his ex,  I now need proof before I believe such accusations.

The Empire guy story seems a bit strange... 2 random Trump supporters ran into him at 2am with mark on, and knew who he was and beat him up and tied a rope around his neck and he kept the rope around his neck for a hour... and refused medical transportion even after having bleach poured on his face... AND he happens to have new song out... and his case is being investigated. 

The student at A&T claims her situation wasn't investigated.  Two totally different situations.   :nono2:
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: Capler on February 04, 2019, 04:07:28 PM
There are so many questions with this situation.  I question the whole social media approach to trying to resolve the issue.  However, the concern here is did she reported this matter to her coaches and did they immediately act?  If she reported the rape to her Cheer coaches and they failed to immediately act that is a major problem that should certainly have serious consequences.

There are two levels of reporting here. First there is reporting with law enforcement. The university can't just haul off and start punishing people without some  confirmation that the crime actually occurred.  Remember the Duke lacrosse case? The next step is for university officials is to use information gathered from law enforcement and take action.

My gut feeling suggests  that the young lady did not go to the local police but instead told her coaches at some point later. (I honestly feel her coaches would have taken her to the hospital, if she would have gone to them immediately.)  The university likely did a cursory investigation by basically interviewing both people. Once both sides gave their version, it was determined that there was not enough evidence to take it further. This probably outraged the young lady, which forced her to go nuclear against the college.  She likely feels that the college should have fired  everybody associated with the situation based on her words. When that did not happen, 'forget the boy who actually assaulted you', it is time to burn down the entire village.  Sadly this is the way many millennials think.
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: Capler on February 04, 2019, 07:46:38 PM
N.C. A&T cheerleader calls for removal of her coaches because she says they failed to report her rape

GREENSBORO — A cheerleader at N.C. A&T is demanding the immediate removal of her coaches after she says they failed to report her rape to the university's Title IX coordinator.

The woman, who identified herself as the victim on social media, said in a letter posted on social media that she is a freshman marketing student and a member of the school's Blue Squad cheerleading team. She wrote that she had been raped by a graduating senior who is a former member of the Blue and Gold Marching Machine.

The News & Record does not name victims of sexual violence.

Greensboro police received a report of the rape from the university's police in fall 2018 and opened an investigation on Nov. 16. According to the police report, the rape happened at Campus Crossing Apartments at 2813 Spring Garden St. in Greensboro.

On various social media sites, the woman said she had reported the rape to the cheerleading coaches and was met with a "lack of empathy and responsibility."

A&T's website includes a section that answers questions for victims of sexual misconduct, a Title IX violation, including whether there is a cost for counseling, whether they should go to police and what happens if they were drinking underage at the time of the sexual assault.

Students do not have to report sexual misconduct to the Title IX coordinator, but a school employee must and is encouraged to do so within 24 hours, according to the Q&A on the website.


The student said her coaches violated that policy.

Tiffany Jones, the university's director of media relations, said in an email that privacy laws prevented the school from discussing the matter.


"We are deeply saddened to hear of any allegation of sexual assault and take such allegations very seriously," Jones wrote. "The university will continue to pursue investigations regarding any claim and provide care and assistance to any victim of an assault in our community, as well as work with authorities to bring perpetrators to justice."

The freshman wrote in the letter that her rape had led to bullying by her teammates. She said she also had been blamed for the rape.

In her letter, the woman said that keeping the coaches in place perpetuates a culture where protecting the sport's brand is more important than preventing sexual assaults and victim blaming.

Several cheerleaders, many from the Gold Squad, tweeted out support for the woman.

The student's tweet has led to many other women coming forward on social media to discuss their own sexual assaults at the university, including naming their alleged attackers and publishing their photos.

https://www.greensboro.com/news/crime/n-c-a-t-cheerleader-calls-for-removal-of-her/article_223201d6-90bd-59ca-ab65-2f255ce52ba8.html

Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: Capler on February 04, 2019, 08:02:25 PM
The big questions here per the article above are...

What was the date of the rape?

When did she notify her coaches?

When did A&T police get involved and who called them?

What did their investigation find?

We know they turned it over to Greensboro police on Nov. 16.

What did Greensboro police find?

So far the published article supports my earlier assertions.  A&T police did not have enough evidence and apparently Greensboro police don't have it either. Otherwise, charges would have been filed. The young lady has taken this matter into her own hands, seeking justice. In actuality, if she is willing to go this far, she must have been assaulted.   

Just talked to one of my co workers about this and she works across the street from Campus Crossing. Keep in mind  Campus Crossing is basically on UNCG campus.  She recalls see a  police detective talking to an A&T band member on two separate occasions back in November. She took note because he had on a band shirt, my friend is an A&T band head, and Campus Crossing is mainly filled with UNCG students.
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: InTheHunt on February 04, 2019, 08:19:39 PM
All institutional officials with significant responsibility for campus and student activities are referred to in the Clery Act as a Campus Security Authority (CSA).

All CSA’s have reporting obligations under the Clery Act. Faculty who serve as advisors to student groups, coaches, and staff involved in student affairs are all included in this group. Only professional mental health and pastoral counselors are exempt from reporting when acting in these roles.

The United States Department of Education is charged with enforcing the Jeanne Clery Act and may level civil penalties against institutions of higher education up to $35,000 per violation or may suspend them from participating in federal student financial aid programs.

Basically if the cheer coach failed to report then that is a Clery Act Violation. Regardless of if she thought it was credible or not. If true she failed to report then she should be fired.
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: WileECoyote06 on February 04, 2019, 10:38:32 PM
All institutional officials with significant responsibility for campus and student activities are referred to in the Clery Act as a Campus Security Authority (CSA).

All CSA’s have reporting obligations under the Clery Act. Faculty who serve as advisors to student groups, coaches, and staff involved in student affairs are all included in this group. Only professional mental health and pastoral counselors are exempt from reporting when acting in these roles.

The United States Department of Education is charged with enforcing the Jeanne Clery Act and may level civil penalties against institutions of higher education up to $35,000 per violation or may suspend them from participating in federal student financial aid programs.

Basically if the cheer coach failed to report then that is a Clery Act Violation. Regardless of if she thought it was credible or not. If true she failed to report then she should be fired.

Yep.  It's in our club adviser handbook at Central.  Schools don't play around with Title IX/Clery violations.
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: Decks on February 05, 2019, 12:17:45 AM
The big questions here per the article above are...

What was the date of the rape?

When did she notify her coaches?

When did A&T police get involved and who called them?

What did their investigation find?

We know they turned it over to Greensboro police on Nov. 16.

What did Greensboro police find?

So far the published article supports my earlier assertions.  A&T police did not have enough evidence and apparently Greensboro police don't have it either. Otherwise, charges would have been filed. The young lady has taken this matter into her own hands, seeking justice. In actuality, if she is willing to go this far, she must have been assaulted.   

Just talked to one of my co workers about this and she works across the street from Campus Crossing. Keep in mind  Campus Crossing is basically on UNCG campus.  She recalls see a  police detective talking to an A&T band member on two separate occasions back in November. She took note because he had on a band shirt, my friend is an A&T band head, and Campus Crossing is mainly filled with UNCG students.

All valid questions. Perhaps she is frustrated at how long it's taking to bring charges? GPD has had this since Nov 16 and still no decision?
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: Capler on February 05, 2019, 01:01:19 AM
I wonder what type of agreement, if any, those off campus apartments have with the colleges? It is my understanding that they are not exclusively for students. Anybody can live there, if you care to be around a bunch of students.

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What off-campus activities qualify to be reported?

Not all off-campus student activities and travel needs to be reported. To be Clery reportable, the activity must meet certain requirements.

First, the university must have control over the space used for the student activity and/or travel. Control, as defined by the Clery Act, means that there is a written agreement (no matter how informal) directly between the university and the end provider for use of the space. Some examples of a written agreement include reserving hotel rooms, leasing apartments, leasing space for athletic purposes, or an agreement for academic space. Even if the agreement is in e-mail form, and there is no charge associated with the agreement, the space may still qualify as Clery reportable.

Second, the controlled space must be used in direct support of, or in relation to, the institution’s educational purposes and frequented by students.
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: Bearforlife on February 05, 2019, 07:56:23 AM
Cap, your questions are really indicative of why most victims fail to report assault and even if they do, they don't want to seek prosecution. Black women are the most at risk group for sexual assault and the least likely to report it. When a black woman is assaulted by a black man, she's even less likely to seek intervention because of racial loyalty.

Reporting an assault does not always involve the police. Because rape is a crime of power and opportunity, it is always assaulter said/victim said (I removed gender b/c men are assaulted too). Even in cases where a perpetrator recorded or photographed the crime, police find it difficult to bring charges and the DA is reluctant to prosecute. Nationwide, there is an egregious backlog of rape kits that have not been processed. So...with all that...no most people who are assaulted are not going to report or try to file charges. The odds are against them.

As far as the university goes, advisors, executives, residence life personnel and numerous others have a mandatory reporting responsibility. You must at minimum report it to your supervisor. This is in keeping with the Clery Act, Title IX, and the Civil Rights Act. You can't bully the victim, belittle the victim and you're not supposed to shame the victim.

Also, even if an assault takes place off campus, if it involves students, it's as if it took place on campus. Students are bound by their student handbook and code of conduct both on and off campus. Judicial procedures and due process should've been followed...period.
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: Aggie One on February 05, 2019, 08:39:37 AM
I wonder what type of agreement, if any, those off campus apartments have with the colleges? It is my understanding that they are not exclusively for students. Anybody can live there, if you care to be around a bunch of students.

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What off-campus activities qualify to be reported?

Not all off-campus student activities and travel needs to be reported. To be Clery reportable, the activity must meet certain requirements.

First, the university must have control over the space used for the student activity and/or travel. Control, as defined by the Clery Act, means that there is a written agreement (no matter how informal) directly between the university and the end provider for use of the space. Some examples of a written agreement include reserving hotel rooms, leasing apartments, leasing space for athletic purposes, or an agreement for academic space. Even if the agreement is in e-mail form, and there is no charge associated with the agreement, the space may still qualify as Clery reportable.

Second, the controlled space must be used in direct support of, or in relation to, the institution’s educational purposes and frequented by students.

There in may lie the rub in all of this.
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: Capler on February 05, 2019, 10:40:05 AM
Bear, i get what you are saying and it is true, from a historic perspective. Yes we should acknowledge and  work hard to address past inadequacies black women were subjected to, but at the same time that does not mean women should be given the benefit of the doubt based solely on her word. Do not put my son on trial and convict him because women have a history of marginalization. That is what those students are doing on A&T's campus to this young man. If it is a she said-he said situation, they should chill and wait for all the evidence.

Bear I know you are not going to like what I'm about to say, and will suggest men/the system do this all the time as a way of demonizing women, but I'm going to say it anyway.

This whole situation seems like some petty female stuff between the student,  her coach, and the other members of the squad. (I'll own that comment as being chauvinistic, but I will also call out women for leveling the same charges against men.) In the Twitter comment section, many team members showed support, but in her original Tweet, she accused them of bullying and harassment. Why the contradiction? Also the coach suspended her from the squad and had to reinstate her? What is up with that.  IMO, in her original Tweet, this young lady had an ax to grind with her coach and teammates. Sorry Bear, but this is as clear as the day is long.

I really take issue with black folk torching the entire village because we are mad at an individual. Unfortunately, that is what we do. It is not politically correct to say this but  A&T is much bigger than a single individual and their problems and we all should do what is needed to protect her. No you don't ignore wrong doings, but at the same time, you don't do a public lynching that can cause irreparable damage to the institutions that has helped so many.  These type of things happen on colleges quite frequently, yet it is A&T getting the bad media press, and getting dragged on social media by students.

I've been at UNCG damn near 30 years, and not once do I recall seeing a potential rape situation getting this type of media coverage.


Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: Bearforlife on February 05, 2019, 12:02:48 PM
Cap...I didn't speak to this specific situation.

In a he said/she said there is no evidence Cap. One person says it was non-consensual. One person doesn't. A college/university doesn't have the same level of evidentiary responsibility as legal organizations. Yes, your comments are chauvinistic, outdated and misogynist. 1 in 3 Black women will be raped/assaulted by age 18. That's almost 50% of all black women walking this earth. Only 1 in 15 will report it TO ANYONE.

Maybe she had an ax to grind AND she was assaulted. The two things aren't mutually exclusive. They can both exist at the same time. UNCG and the other PWIs in the UNC system have PR teams to cover stuff like this. Everything black folk do or don't do is amplified. You can call a news outlet with a similar story from a PWI and they'll refuse to run it. But be an HBCU and they will beat it to death. Cmon...media has been doing that forever.

By the way...rape and sexual assault is almost never prosecuted. Perpetrators WITH evidence against them rarely ever serve a day. Because, yes, the system is set up to lay sexual morality at the feet of women and girls and not on men. We know this. And calling people to accountability is not torching the village.
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: Capler on February 05, 2019, 01:44:13 PM
Cap...I didn't speak to this specific situation.

In a he said/she said there is no evidence Cap. One person says it was non-consensual. One person doesn't. A college/university doesn't have the same level of evidentiary responsibility as legal organizations. Yes, your comments are chauvinistic, outdated and misogynist. 1 in 3 Black women will be raped/assaulted by age 18. That's almost 50% of all black women walking this earth. Only 1 in 15 will report it TO ANYONE.

Maybe she had an ax to grind AND she was assaulted. The two things aren't mutually exclusive. They can both exist at the same time. UNCG and the other PWIs in the UNC system have PR teams to cover stuff like this. Everything black folk do or don't do is amplified. You can call a news outlet with a similar story from a PWI and they'll refuse to run it. But be an HBCU and they will beat it to death. Cmon...media has been doing that forever.

By the way...rape and sexual assault is almost never prosecuted. Perpetrators WITH evidence against them rarely ever serve a day. Because, yes, the system is set up to lay sexual morality at the feet of women and girls and not on men. We know this. And calling people to accountability is not torching the village.

I agree with everything you said.  :nod:
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: Oldschool on February 07, 2019, 02:31:52 PM
Just a few quick observations of the comments made thus far .To the best of my knowledge no one has mentioned whether a rape kit was done on the woman ,without that a rape cannot be established unless the accused admits to the crime .That lack of evidence may explain why there have not been any charges filed .If she did in fact inform her coaches and they did nothing then that would be a violation of the Clery Act .To be clear the Campus Crossing Apts. are located over 10 blocks from the campus of UNCG ,and there is nothing but houses and a park across the street from it.NCAT has no relationship with the apartments whatsoever. My gut reaction is she is not being totally honest and is engaging in a smear campaign against the coaches ,the university and the young man,also she admits to being drunk during the alleged incident in one of her many social media post.
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: Capler on February 07, 2019, 03:15:18 PM
I can't say she is being dishonest. She could've had sex with the young man, whether it was consensual or not is the question.  If she says it was one way and he says another,  the burden of proof would automatically fall on her because she is the person seeking retribution.

At this point she should hire a lawyer and take the man to court, present her evidence and allow a jury of her peers to decide who they believe.

She should approach A&T the same way, and not choose a technical loophole to make the college responsible for her situation. Take A&T to court and show  there was a break down in the chain of commands that further aggravated the situation. The court of public opinion route she has chosen is reckless  and immature.

Personally if i was her, the young man would be the  person I would be focused on with missile precision. A&T did nothing to cause the situation, and the coach had nothing to do with it either.   

If A&T did violate the Clery Act, the punishment will likely  only be a small fine. Will that be justice enough? Will that be enough to heal the wounds from a purported assault? It would not be enough for me.

Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: aggie law on February 07, 2019, 03:38:04 PM
I believe at this point "taking him to court" would have to be civil court only. :shrug:
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: Capler on February 07, 2019, 03:45:00 PM
Just a few quick observations of the comments made thus far .To the best of my knowledge no one has mentioned whether a rape kit was done on the woman ,without that a rape cannot be established unless the accused admits to the crime .That lack of evidence may explain why there have not been any charges filed .If she did in fact inform her coaches and they did nothing then that would be a violation of the Clery Act .To be clear the Campus Crossing Apts. are located over 10 blocks from the campus of UNCG ,and there is nothing but houses and a park across the street from it.NCAT has no relationship with the apartments whatsoever. My gut reaction is she is not being totally honest and is engaging in a smear campaign against the coaches ,the university and the young man,also she admits to being drunk during the alleged incident in one of her many social media post.

If a rape kit had been done, whether the sex was consensual or not,  the young man would have been charged, and would have been forced to appear in court to defend himself.  If she had gone to the hospital, A&T's police would have made the arrest and not passed it off to Greensboro police. If there was evidence, Greensboro police would have made an arrest. Due to the fact that none of that exists, she has taken to social media, and to the court of public opinion.  I'm sorry but sometimes in life, missed opportunities are that, missed opportunities that are gone forever. Your only recourse is to caulk it up as  a learning experience. You don't start holding folk hostage because they don't believe you.
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: Capler on February 07, 2019, 03:50:08 PM
I believe at this point "taking him to court" would have to be civil court only. :shrug:

That seems to be the angle here, but instead of trying to get money out of a broke turnip, she is going after the university.  And if needed, the college will give her a little chunk of change to make all of the bad press disappear.  That is what colleges do because a high value is place on your reputation.
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: aggie law on February 07, 2019, 04:22:03 PM
Yeah, our legal department has settled some creative claims over the years. Did you know that there is an argument for compensation for having to transfer/attend a lesser school based upon reputation of the school? :popcorn:
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: Capler on February 12, 2019, 12:06:42 AM
https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/news/local/nc-at-cheerleader-who-says-she-was-raped-wants-coaches-fired-for-not-reporting-it-protests-at-game/83-67894e67-a9b8-4f12-86e0-5331665a2ff4
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: Capler on February 12, 2019, 10:47:49 AM
I could be wrong but, theoretically speaking, after watching her interviews, the young lady seems to be basking in the notoriety and the attention from her campus peers this situation has brought her. Based on my college leadership experience, and history of working on a campus, freshmen notoriety is very short lived, and it typically comes from other freshmen. She has shut down the cheer program and is calling for folk to be fired. I really can't see upperclassmen being supportive of a 'freshmen' disrupting the college community. Keep in mind, the key word here is freshmen. Seldom, if ever, does the campus culture allow a freshman to dictate policy.

I could be a lot more sympathetic if she was putting the young man on blast. She should be calling him out to come forward and admit to the situation as she sees it.
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: Professor on February 12, 2019, 01:03:59 PM
I could be wrong but, theoretically speaking, after watching her interviews, the young lady seems to be basking in the notoriety and the attention from her campus peers this situation has brought her. Based on my college leadership experience, and history of working on a campus, freshmen notoriety is very short lived, and it typically comes from other freshmen. She has shut down the cheer program and is calling for folk to be fired. I really can't see upperclassmen being supportive of a 'freshmen' disrupting the college community. Keep in mind, the key word here is freshmen. Seldom, if ever, does the campus culture allow a freshman to dictate policy.

I could be a lot more sympathetic if she was putting the young man on blast. She should be calling him out to come forward and admit to the situation as she sees it.

She has , there were flyers of his face with his name,cell phone number and hometown put all over campus. In addition , she has blasted him on twitter as well. From my sources, the young mans lawyer has advised him not to respond
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: Capler on February 12, 2019, 02:14:11 PM
I want A&T to take control of the situation and make this bad publicity go away. I'm a state employee and depending the type employee you are, it's not easy to fire someone. Professors and contract employees are easy to fire. Short of murdering someone, a staff person has to be written up, given corrective measures, and written up for a third time before you can fire them.

The college's primary goal right now should be focused on self preservation, even if that means sacrificing an employee or two as a neutralizer to her scorched earth approach.  At this point it is not even about the truth, it's about damage control.

I really don't see how all of this is going to work in her favor if she continues as a student on that campus.
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: EPJr on February 12, 2019, 05:11:00 PM
https://hbcugameday.com/2019/02/12/at-cheerleaders-boldness-inspires-others-opens-discussion-about-cheer-culture/?fbclid=IwAR2tr8ELen7L-qUM7eUFTohrrhsdqrAXWa3hnGxTEdy_2BAbyY0XmB-q1Fs
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: Capler on February 12, 2019, 06:43:42 PM
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Gee said that the young man her daughter says raped her has also been accused of assaulting several other women and was removed from campus on Friday. A&T officials have not confirmed that at this time.

Multiple allegations should be enough to build a strong case against him. Did anyone think to call the police after one of those alleged incidents?  :shrug:
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: InTheHunt on February 12, 2019, 10:40:13 PM
Some schools haven't learned from Baylor and Michigan State. Harold Martin needs to get this under control now. Internal investigation should be completed by now.

If the coach failed to report what the cheerleader told her, fire the coach. Do a review of yours title IX, clery training and come up with some changes.

Martin can't afford this when he has a new boss...
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: Aggie D. on February 13, 2019, 12:13:14 AM
Some schools haven't learned from Baylor and Michigan State. Harold Martin needs to get this under control now. Internal investigation should be completed by now.

If the coach failed to report what the cheerleader told her, fire the coach. Do a review of yours title IX, clery training and come up with some changes.

Martin can't afford this when he has a new boss...

I still don't know why the investigation is taking so long and the Athletic Departments decision to bench the JV squad makes no sense.  Did the alleged victim report she was rape to the coaches, did the coaches immediately act ... if the answers are yes and no the coach(es) have to go.  The University is moving too slow on this and each day this situation is gaining momentum.   
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: Capler on February 13, 2019, 12:42:15 AM
I agree, Martin need to step in and settle this today. If there was a violation of the clery act,  make a public apology,  show solidarity with the young lady and all assault victims, pay the fine, and reprimand the coach. That's it. How difficult is that?  :shrug: i don't think that would put the university in legal jeopardy, since at the end of the day, it  was the victim's responsibility to report an incident that happened off campus to the police.

It is also possible there was no clery violation, which considering the current environment,  puts the university in a difficult position as it relates to the court of public opinion. If they announce that there was no violation, it will seem as though the university is insensitive to young lady and her condition. There are certain things in this country  you don't challenge, Support for Israel is one and a woman who makes an assault claim is another.
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: JBROB on February 13, 2019, 06:00:45 AM
Guilford County has a new District Attorney. It may take a minute for her to bring charges.
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: ‘87 Alum on February 13, 2019, 08:20:15 AM
I’m willing to let due process run it’s course.
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: punchy on February 13, 2019, 11:22:14 AM
There was no rape kit involved immediately after the alleged rape took place?
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: Capler on February 13, 2019, 02:20:47 PM
There was no rape kit involved immediately after the alleged rape took place?

Punchy, we are not even sure when she shared the information with anyone. When did she tell her coach, was it right after the incident or later? When did A&T police get involved, and who told them? All we know is that A&T police contacted Greensboro police later.

Again this happened off campus in a private residence. It is her responsibility to contact the police. A&T police should not have been her first option. If it happened on campus,  A&T should have been the initial contact.
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: JBROB on February 14, 2019, 05:25:30 AM
North Carolina A&T State University chancellor addresses sexual assault investigation

GREENSBORO, N.C. -- North Carolina A&T State University Chancellor Harold Martin on Wednesday night addressed the sexual assault investigation involving one of the university's cheerleaders.

This response comes after the student government leaders and other students have voiced their concerns, asking for more to be done for sexual assault victims on campus.

https://myfox8.com/2019/02/13/north-carolina-at-state-university-chancellor-address-sexual-assault-investigation/
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: punchy on February 14, 2019, 09:43:52 PM
WOW,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: punchy on February 15, 2019, 10:30:12 AM
There was no rape kit involved immediately after the alleged rape took place?

Punchy, we are not even sure when she shared the information with anyone. When did she tell her coach, was it right after the incident or later? When did A&T police get involved, and who told them? All we know is that A&T police contacted Greensboro police later.

Again this happened off campus in a private residence. It is her responsibility to contact the police. A&T police should not have been her first option. If it happened on campus,  A&T should have been the initial contact.

And it happened off campus, too? She definitely should have contacted Greensboro police first,,,,,,,,WOW,,,,,,
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: eagle pride on February 15, 2019, 09:43:11 PM
Idk about this.  Hate this happened to her if she is telling the truth.  Being that it happened off campus, she should have called the police. 
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: InTheHunt on February 16, 2019, 12:00:13 AM
I agree, Martin need to step in and settle this today. If there was a violation of the clery act,  make a public apology,  show solidarity with the young lady and all assault victims, pay the fine, and reprimand the coach. That's it. How difficult is that?  :shrug: i don't think that would put the university in legal jeopardy, since at the end of the day, it  was the victim's responsibility to report an incident that happened off campus to the police.

It is also possible there was no clery violation, which considering the current environment,  puts the university in a difficult position as it relates to the court of public opinion. If they announce that there was no violation, it will seem as though the university is insensitive to young lady and her condition. There are certain things in this country  you don't challenge, Support for Israel is one and a woman who makes an assault claim is another.

So your stance is, if she was raped off campus... and only told her cheer coach... they don't have to report it? They only was she can get justice is by calling Greensboro police department?

 :vomit:

And I thought you said the rest of the student body wouldn't support her because she was a freshman? Seems like SGA is behind her and the other women on campus.

And you work at a university? God help our female students... :brickwall:

Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: Capler on February 16, 2019, 01:26:21 AM
I agree, Martin need to step in and settle this today. If there was a violation of the clery act,  make a public apology,  show solidarity with the young lady and all assault victims, pay the fine, and reprimand the coach. That's it. How difficult is that?  :shrug: i don't think that would put the university in legal jeopardy, since at the end of the day, it  was the victim's responsibility to report an incident that happened off campus to the police.

It is also possible there was no clery violation, which considering the current environment,  puts the university in a difficult position as it relates to the court of public opinion. If they announce that there was no violation, it will seem as though the university is insensitive to young lady and her condition. There are certain things in this country  you don't challenge, Support for Israel is one and a woman who makes an assault claim is another.

So your stance is, if she was raped off campus... and only told her cheer coach... they don't have to report it? They only was she can get justice is by calling Greensboro police department?

 :vomit:

And I thought you said the rest of the student body wouldn't support her because she was a freshman? Seems like SGA is behind her and the other women on campus.

And you work at a university? God help our female students... :brickwall:

From what I see, she has her supporters. It also appears the university and organized groups are taking a cursory position on her situation by focusing on the  'rape culture' on campus.  I hope you realized that amounts to a side step, a soft shoe dance by the powers that be. It seems the university is only examining  it's procedures. They will issue a report with corrective measures and may reprimand a few folk as it relates to the violation.

Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: InTheHunt on February 16, 2019, 10:06:10 AM
I agree, Martin need to step in and settle this today. If there was a violation of the clery act,  make a public apology,  show solidarity with the young lady and all assault victims, pay the fine, and reprimand the coach. That's it. How difficult is that?  :shrug: i don't think that would put the university in legal jeopardy, since at the end of the day, it  was the victim's responsibility to report an incident that happened off campus to the police.

It is also possible there was no clery violation, which considering the current environment,  puts the university in a difficult position as it relates to the court of public opinion. If they announce that there was no violation, it will seem as though the university is insensitive to young lady and her condition. There are certain things in this country  you don't challenge, Support for Israel is one and a woman who makes an assault claim is another.

So your stance is, if she was raped off campus... and only told her cheer coach... they don't have to report it? They only was she can get justice is by calling Greensboro police department?

 :vomit:

And I thought you said the rest of the student body wouldn't support her because she was a freshman? Seems like SGA is behind her and the other women on campus.

And you work at a university? God help our female students... :brickwall:

From what I see, she has her supporters. It also appears the university and organized groups are taking a cursory position on her situation by focusing on the  'rape culture' on campus.  I hope you realized that amounts to a side step, a soft shoe dance by the powers that be. It seems the university is only examining  it's procedures. They will issue a report with corrective measures and may reprimand a few folk as it relates to the violation.

Can’t reprimand, someone has to be fired. Reprimand is meaningless, will lead to more protest. Martin can’t afford the students to storm the court at the basketball game or any other news worthy event. Don’t let this grow and end up like Folt at UNC.
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: Capler on February 16, 2019, 11:53:28 AM
I agree, Martin need to step in and settle this today. If there was a violation of the clery act,  make a public apology,  show solidarity with the young lady and all assault victims, pay the fine, and reprimand the coach. That's it. How difficult is that?  :shrug: i don't think that would put the university in legal jeopardy, since at the end of the day, it  was the victim's responsibility to report an incident that happened off campus to the police.

It is also possible there was no clery violation, which considering the current environment,  puts the university in a difficult position as it relates to the court of public opinion. If they announce that there was no violation, it will seem as though the university is insensitive to young lady and her condition. There are certain things in this country  you don't challenge, Support for Israel is one and a woman who makes an assault claim is another.

So your stance is, if she was raped off campus... and only told her cheer coach... they don't have to report it? They only was she can get justice is by calling Greensboro police department?

 :vomit:

And I thought you said the rest of the student body wouldn't support her because she was a freshman? Seems like SGA is behind her and the other women on campus.

And you work at a university? God help our female students... :brickwall:

From what I see, she has her supporters. It also appears the university and organized groups are taking a cursory position on her situation by focusing on the  'rape culture' on campus.  I hope you realized that amounts to a side step, a soft shoe dance by the powers that be. It seems the university is only examining  it's procedures. They will issue a report with corrective measures and may reprimand a few folk as it relates to the violation.

Can’t reprimand, someone has to be fired. Reprimand is meaningless, will lead to more protest. Martin can’t afford the students to storm the court at the basketball game or any other news worthy event. Don’t let this grow and end up like Folt at UNC.

I agree, but the university has time on it's side. In a couple of months, the school year will be over, and most campus controversies end with that. When it comes to social and political issues, college student have a very short attention span.  That's understandable considering, staying in school and graduating is paramount. With that said, perhaps Martin is playing the long game. One thing about it, to a seasoned administrator, campus culture is very predictable.

I have asked a few current students about the controversy, and most did not care or knew nothing. That actually surprised me. In fairness, they were all upperclassmen. There has always been a disconnect between freshmen and upperclassmen on campus.  Freshmen get caught up in  campus politics that first year, but will eventually grow out of it. 
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: Maroon and Gray on February 16, 2019, 02:19:33 PM

I have asked a few current students about the controversy, and most did not care or knew nothing. That actually surprised me. In fairness, they were all upperclassmen. There has always been a disconnect between freshmen and upperclassmen on campus.  Freshmen get caught up in on campus politics that first year, but will eventually grow out of it. 

I would think it would be just the opposite.
Title: Re: Cheerleader accused A&T of ignoring her sexual assaalt claim
Post by: Oldschool on February 17, 2019, 05:00:44 PM
The young lady alleges her coaches didn't report the incident ,someone had to alert campus police who in turn reported it to GPD back in November of last year . She came out with her story just two weeks ago . There are folks calling for someone to be fired ,but it seems like maybe she is frustrated with the pace of the investigation . It's a complicated  situation ,and we have to let it run it's course ,she is trying to win her case on social media ,and the university has to abide by the legal system and not make a rush to judgement concerning all parties involved .