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Title: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: wsm on April 14, 2017, 09:43:44 PM
Posted April 14, 2017 08:38 pm - Updated April 14, 2017 09:13 pm
By Nathan Deen
nathan.deen@savannahnow.com

Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I

When Willie Walker started the 300 Club last year, he had a vision of giving Savannah State University better locker rooms for its student-athletes and better offices for its coaches.

Now he’s committed to raising every dollar possible to keep Tiger athletics from taking a step down one level.

SSU baseball player Turner Davis told the Savannah Morning News on Wednesday that he and other student-athletes were informed by athletic director Sterling Steward about a possible move to NCAA Division II starting in 2019. The Tigers currently compete in Division I-AA (FCS) in football and Division I in all other sports. Steward declined a request for comment.

That news has reached the ears of SSU alumni like Walker, a 1981 graduate who is now an attorney in Jacksonville, Fla., and many are willing to stand up and prevent it from happening, Walker said.

“Everyone in the alumni community is dead-set against returning to Division II,” Walker said Friday.

Walker is the CEO of the 300 Club, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization that raises money for Savannah State athletics.

“We’re making sure that the resources are there so that it doesn’t happen,” Walker said about the proposed plan for SSU to drop to Division II. “Our mission has been repurposed toward raising funds toward the erasing of the deficit so our student-athletes can have a good Division I experience.”

Savannah State has spent more money than it has made for years. According to a USA Today database that lists the revenue for 231 NCAA institutions for the 2014-15 academic year, SSU made $6,100,959 in revenue and spent $6,409,247, creating a deficit of $308,288.

And SSU is far from the only school with this problem. According to a USA Today story, only five programs outside of the FBS Power 5 conferences were self-sustaining in 2015, meaning the operating revenue generated by their athletic departments was at least equal to total operating expenses. That revenue does not include money from student fees, university funding or direct government support.

Clyde Newton, president of the Savannah State University National Alumni Association, said SSU’s deficit has increased to about $1 million for 2015-16.

“We’ve known about the deficit for a few years now,” Newton said Friday. “We’ve got to do something to try to get it turned around.

“These past few years have not been good years. We’ve had some issues that have allowed that to escalate to uncomfortable levels.”

Newton said he shares Walker’s sentiment about finding a way to avoid moving down to Division II.

“We’re very concerned with the situation in the athletic department, so the stakeholders are coming together and trying to turn this situation around,” Newton said. “Our student-athletes have proven they can compete at the Division I level, and it would be a shame if they could not.”

Walker said he has a plan, one that he’s shared with Newton, in place to turn the athletic department around and keep it in Division I.

Walker and other members of the 300 Club have done an independent study breaking down Savannah State’s main sources of funding and finding ways to boost revenue within each of them. Walker said he keyed in on six sources: ticket sales, student athletic fees, game guarantees, alumni and boosters, NCAA stipends, and marketing.

Football on the rise

Walker expects ticket sales to increase significantly for the upcoming football season after the Tigers won three games under new coach Erik Raeburn for the first time this decade.

“We expect football attendance to go up significantly because we’re winning games, or there’s an expectation that we’re going to be competitive,” Walker said. “Our season-ticket sales are way ahead of where they were.”

The Tigers are also just starting to come out from under the weight of NCAA penalties and will be allowed to play an 11-game schedule for the first time since 2014. In addition to being paid by Appalachian State to play at the Mountaineers’ 2017 season opener in Boone, N.C., SSU will travel to play Montana the following week on Sept. 16.

At $300 per semester, SSU has one of the lowest student athletic fees in the Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference, and Walker said his plan doesn’t involve raising that number.

As a member of the MEAC, Savannah State receives a portion of the $1,000,000 the conference makes from the Celebration Bowl, which creates an end-of-the year matchup between the top teams from the two HBCU conferences – the MEAC and the Southwestern Athletic Conference.

That’s money SSU would miss out on if it leaves the conference.

SSU also receives grants from the NCAA to help fund its academic programs, but the amount the university receives would decrease if it became a Division II school. The NCAA allocates $45.4 million per year to Division I schools specifically for academic enhancement. It spends $38.8 million per year to cover all costs for Division II institutions, including travel, food and lodging for championship games.

For boosters and alumni, Walker said he’s reached out to many of his contacts to discuss ways on how they can raise support. More alumni bases are devoting their efforts to selling season-ticket packages. He plans to raise $100,000 this year through the 300 Club, and he’s proposing that the national alumni association, which has 30 chapters, increase its giving by $1,000 per chapter.

Walker said he has also proposed to the alumni association to form an athletic foundation that would operate under the University System of Georgia, a process that could be completed by July. Based on that model, each foundation board member would be required to raise a minimum of $10,000 annually, Walker said.

All in all, Walker has calculated that his plan will generate $800,000 in additional revenue its first year and $1.25 million in subsequent years.

“If it’s truly about money, we’re up to the task,” Walker said. “We’re used to fighting for things. We’ve always had to fight for our space, all of our hopes and dreams as a university, and that’s why we’re still here. When these times have come, we’ve always risen to the challenge.”

http://savannahnow.com/news/sports/local-colleges/2017-04-14/alumni-ready-fight-ssu-stay-division-i


Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: eagle pride on April 14, 2017, 10:05:55 PM
 :clap:  Best wishes!   :clap:  I hope this works out to shut the naysayers up. 
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: bluedog on April 14, 2017, 10:44:11 PM
Uhm shouldn't this have happened a years ago :shrug: rallying just to "stay in the game" is hardly even a start for what is needed at D1. :tiptoe:

SSU belongs in D2 and I am glad your university is doing the right thing.

 :popcorn:
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: thatd@mnYOGI on April 14, 2017, 11:09:33 PM
Mr. Walker can't increase the student athletic fee anyway. He is neither an administrative nor on the BOARD OF REGIME. I applaud Savannah State continuing this fight over a decade of doing so one would have given up by now. But, eventually, reality is going to set in and the arrogance of a few are going to have to deal with it. The fight they need to be having is what's transpiring in their own backyard with these mergers. Athletics would be the least of my worries.

that's all...
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Jaimac on April 14, 2017, 11:59:34 PM
Okay.....
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: fsu2015mme on April 15, 2017, 12:31:48 AM
Tf?  :brickwall: Typical... Goodluck. 
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Conquero on April 15, 2017, 01:22:50 AM
At Savannah State, It’s Much Bigger Than Moving Down to Division II

This should not be the typical conversation about HBCU athletics, the athletes they can’t recruit, the fans who don’t show up, the games we cannot win and the money we cannot make. Those discussions, and the umbrella conversations about the wisdom of competing at Division I are legitimate on both sides when it comes to scholarships, promotional opportunities, and visibility for institutions.

This is about the optics of opportunity in Georgia and states like it. No public HBCU in the state enrolls more students or is stationed in a more developed city than Savannah State University. It had long been on the radar of state legislators seeking to merge the school with a proximate PWI, but whispers of racism and the threat of federal litigation then and now spared the school from that measure.

By this time next year, the University System of Georgia will have completed its consolidation of Georgia Southern University and Armstrong State University. The new GSU will bring to Savannah a BCS-level athletics program, which during the 2015-16 season earned more than $18 million in revenues and $1.3 million in total profit.

Not bad for a mid-major program which moved to the BCS two years after Savannah State joined the Division I Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference, and essentially doubled up SSU in total revenues.  With the consolidation, the former mid-major football powerhouse will grow its athletic brand in a strategic location; a stark contrast to SSU, which this week announced that it is considering moving down to the NCAA’s Division II.

Six years after moving to Division I and just over a year before Georgia Southern takes up real estate just nine miles from its campus, Savannah State realizes that it is too costly and not worth the struggle to maintain the membership – before a larger, better-resourced institution begins competition in the city in 2018.  Recruiting top-tier athletes will be virtually impossible. Savannah’s local media outlets in print and broadcast will be fully committed to GSU’s new digs and new potential.

And any hope SSU had at attracting corporate support and fan buy-in for its sports programs will be overrun by its new predominantly white neighbor.

But Georgia higher ed officials are seemingly content with allowing SSU to stand just long enough so that it can be outperformed athletically, academically and philanthropically by a nearby PWI with 20,000-plus students, a BCS football program and an endless supply of goodwill coming behind it.

It did not have to be this way. The USG could have just as easily consolidated Armstrong State into Savannah State in the same way it consolidated Darton State College into Albany State University. But because the Armstrong opposition lobby was too strong, and the Georgia Southern brand is big enough and diverse enough to avoid charges of limiting choice for minorities, it will flourish while Savannah State, seemingly, will wither.

From a strict sports perspective, there is a reason to applaud Savannah State for seeking out the same pressure valve Winston-Salem State University found in 2010. WSSU returned to the CIAA after a failed five-year tenure in the MEAC and won championships across the board while maintaining resonance with its fan base and the surrounding community.


In the last five years, several Division II HBCUs have been nationally-ranked in football, men’s and women’s basketball. The CIAA Basketball Tournament remains among the nation’s most viable college sports products, regardless of division. The Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Conference has led the country in D-II football attendance for 14 straight years. On the surface, there appears to be room for optimism among Savannah State sports fans.

But from operational and cultural perspectives, the timing of this announcement could not be worse for the institution. GSU arrives with a BCS bandwagon gassed up and ready to go, while Savannah State signals to its stakeholders that the old stationwagon upon which campus excutives have been working to restore for the better part of a decade is only fit to drive to church services and cabarets.

And for Georgia taxpayers who doesn’t know the political or financial back stories of these schools, they’ll only see two vastly different cars ringing up miles for dramatically different reasons – at their expense.

This has long been the essence of the HBCU experiment in the latter part of the 20th century and into the 21st – do they grow smaller and excel at a few things through fiscal conservatism and strategic development? Or do they expand, pray for the best and expect the worse?

Today’s political climate defines smart finance as how much money can be cut instead of how much can be made. Racism, in the eyes of many white and far too many black constituents, falls into one of two piles – victimization or alternative facts. Officials gamed the system by allowing SSU to survive, but to do so against the fastest growing peer institution in the entire USG – all while many stakeholders dismissed as premature the doomsday prediction for Savannah State when word of the GSU-ASU consolidation became policy.

And now, SSU may not have enough money to remain even in the same athletic division as its greatest institutional threat. Southern and South Carolina State have in recent years flirted with the idea of moving down, but have never done it – even under terms of financial exigency. That Savannah State is preemptively working to avoid such a move, speaks volumes about the state of affairs at the school, and the threats it faces in the months and years to come.

JL Carter Sr.
Founding Editor, HBCUDigest.com

Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: bluedog on April 15, 2017, 04:13:50 AM
At Savannah State, It’s Much Bigger Than Moving Down to Division II

This should not be the typical conversation about HBCU athletics, the athletes they can’t recruit, the fans who don’t show up, the games we cannot win and the money we cannot make. Those discussions, and the umbrella conversations about the wisdom of competing at Division I are legitimate on both sides when it comes to scholarships, promotional opportunities, and visibility for institutions.

This is about the optics of opportunity in Georgia and states like it. No public HBCU in the state enrolls more students or is stationed in a more developed city than Savannah State University. It had long been on the radar of state legislators seeking to merge the school with a proximate PWI, but whispers of racism and the threat of federal litigation then and now spared the school from that measure.

By this time next year, the University System of Georgia will have completed its consolidation of Georgia Southern University and Armstrong State University. The new GSU will bring to Savannah a BCS-level athletics program, which during the 2015-16 season earned more than $18 million in revenues and $1.3 million in total profit.

Not bad for a mid-major program which moved to the BCS two years after Savannah State joined the Division I Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference, and essentially doubled up SSU in total revenues.  With the consolidation, the former mid-major football powerhouse will grow its athletic brand in a strategic location; a stark contrast to SSU, which this week announced that it is considering moving down to the NCAA’s Division II.

Six years after moving to Division I and just over a year before Georgia Southern takes up real estate just nine miles from its campus, Savannah State realizes that it is too costly and not worth the struggle to maintain the membership – before a larger, better-resourced institution begins competition in the city in 2018.  Recruiting top-tier athletes will be virtually impossible. Savannah’s local media outlets in print and broadcast will be fully committed to GSU’s new digs and new potential.

And any hope SSU had at attracting corporate support and fan buy-in for its sports programs will be overrun by its new predominantly white neighbor.

But Georgia higher ed officials are seemingly content with allowing SSU to stand just long enough so that it can be outperformed athletically, academically and philanthropically by a nearby PWI with 20,000-plus students, a BCS football program and an endless supply of goodwill coming behind it.

It did not have to be this way. The USG could have just as easily consolidated Armstrong State into Savannah State in the same way it consolidated Darton State College into Albany State University. But because the Armstrong opposition lobby was too strong, and the Georgia Southern brand is big enough and diverse enough to avoid charges of limiting choice for minorities, it will flourish while Savannah State, seemingly, will wither.

From a strict sports perspective, there is a reason to applaud Savannah State for seeking out the same pressure valve Winston-Salem State University found in 2010. WSSU returned to the CIAA after a failed five-year tenure in the MEAC and won championships across the board while maintaining resonance with its fan base and the surrounding community.


In the last five years, several Division II HBCUs have been nationally-ranked in football, men’s and women’s basketball. The CIAA Basketball Tournament remains among the nation’s most viable college sports products, regardless of division. The Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Conference has led the country in D-II football attendance for 14 straight years. On the surface, there appears to be room for optimism among Savannah State sports fans.

But from operational and cultural perspectives, the timing of this announcement could not be worse for the institution. GSU arrives with a BCS bandwagon gassed up and ready to go, while Savannah State signals to its stakeholders that the old stationwagon upon which campus excutives have been working to restore for the better part of a decade is only fit to drive to church services and cabarets.

And for Georgia taxpayers who doesn’t know the political or financial back stories of these schools, they’ll only see two vastly different cars ringing up miles for dramatically different reasons – at their expense.

This has long been the essence of the HBCU experiment in the latter part of the 20th century and into the 21st – do they grow smaller and excel at a few things through fiscal conservatism and strategic development? Or do they expand, pray for the best and expect the worse?

Today’s political climate defines smart finance as how much money can be cut instead of how much can be made. Racism, in the eyes of many white and far too many black constituents, falls into one of two piles – victimization or alternative facts. Officials gamed the system by allowing SSU to survive, but to do so against the fastest growing peer institution in the entire USG – all while many stakeholders dismissed as premature the doomsday prediction for Savannah State when word of the GSU-ASU consolidation became policy.

And now, SSU may not have enough money to remain even in the same athletic division as its greatest institutional threat. Southern and South Carolina State have in recent years flirted with the idea of moving down, but have never done it – even under terms of financial exigency. That Savannah State is preemptively working to avoid such a move, speaks volumes about the state of affairs at the school, and the threats it faces in the months and years to come.

JL Carter Sr.
Founding Editor, HBCUDigest.com



I swear this guy gets his information from the local barbershop and he's forever misstating the simplest things a sport writer or whatever should know.

There is no BCS  it's P5 and GSU won't be a member anytime soon and Southern never remotely thought or had a reason to consider moving down.

P5/G5 he should know the difference.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Conquero on April 15, 2017, 08:19:45 AM
Well Bluedog,

When nearly 80% of your athletic budget is subsidized, and nearly 60% of that budget is on the back of students in athletic fees, I am not saying that moving down is the answer, but a discussion regarding division affiliation is appropriate. 

The author is correct about the bigger picture.  Georgia Southern in Savannah is going to essentially cripple the University.  Savannah State is in desperate need of a president with sharp business acumen and corporate experience to garner the dollars through corporate support and innovative fundraiser.  What we have now is a social worker posing as a President.  This is bad for the University. 

For Savannah State, the move to Division I, increased visibility, dramatically raised the student enrollment, profile, and drastically improved our non-black enrollment figures, resulting in a positive desegregative effect.  Savannah State went from around 5% non black to nearly 18% non-black. 
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Branj2 on April 15, 2017, 09:55:24 AM
At Savannah State, It’s Much Bigger Than Moving Down to Division II

This should not be the typical conversation about HBCU athletics, the athletes they can’t recruit, the fans who don’t show up, the games we cannot win and the money we cannot make. Those discussions, and the umbrella conversations about the wisdom of competing at Division I are legitimate on both sides when it comes to scholarships, promotional opportunities, and visibility for institutions.

This is about the optics of opportunity in Georgia and states like it. No public HBCU in the state enrolls more students or is stationed in a more developed city than Savannah State University. It had long been on the radar of state legislators seeking to merge the school with a proximate PWI, but whispers of racism and the threat of federal litigation then and now spared the school from that measure.

By this time next year, the University System of Georgia will have completed its consolidation of Georgia Southern University and Armstrong State University. The new GSU will bring to Savannah a BCS-level athletics program, which during the 2015-16 season earned more than $18 million in revenues and $1.3 million in total profit.

Not bad for a mid-major program which moved to the BCS two years after Savannah State joined the Division I Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference, and essentially doubled up SSU in total revenues.  With the consolidation, the former mid-major football powerhouse will grow its athletic brand in a strategic location; a stark contrast to SSU, which this week announced that it is considering moving down to the NCAA’s Division II.

Six years after moving to Division I and just over a year before Georgia Southern takes up real estate just nine miles from its campus, Savannah State realizes that it is too costly and not worth the struggle to maintain the membership – before a larger, better-resourced institution begins competition in the city in 2018.  Recruiting top-tier athletes will be virtually impossible. Savannah’s local media outlets in print and broadcast will be fully committed to GSU’s new digs and new potential.

And any hope SSU had at attracting corporate support and fan buy-in for its sports programs will be overrun by its new predominantly white neighbor.

But Georgia higher ed officials are seemingly content with allowing SSU to stand just long enough so that it can be outperformed athletically, academically and philanthropically by a nearby PWI with 20,000-plus students, a BCS football program and an endless supply of goodwill coming behind it.

It did not have to be this way. The USG could have just as easily consolidated Armstrong State into Savannah State in the same way it consolidated Darton State College into Albany State University. But because the Armstrong opposition lobby was too strong, and the Georgia Southern brand is big enough and diverse enough to avoid charges of limiting choice for minorities, it will flourish while Savannah State, seemingly, will wither.

From a strict sports perspective, there is a reason to applaud Savannah State for seeking out the same pressure valve Winston-Salem State University found in 2010. WSSU returned to the CIAA after a failed five-year tenure in the MEAC and won championships across the board while maintaining resonance with its fan base and the surrounding community.


In the last five years, several Division II HBCUs have been nationally-ranked in football, men’s and women’s basketball. The CIAA Basketball Tournament remains among the nation’s most viable college sports products, regardless of division. The Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Conference has led the country in D-II football attendance for 14 straight years. On the surface, there appears to be room for optimism among Savannah State sports fans.

But from operational and cultural perspectives, the timing of this announcement could not be worse for the institution. GSU arrives with a BCS bandwagon gassed up and ready to go, while Savannah State signals to its stakeholders that the old stationwagon upon which campus excutives have been working to restore for the better part of a decade is only fit to drive to church services and cabarets.

And for Georgia taxpayers who doesn’t know the political or financial back stories of these schools, they’ll only see two vastly different cars ringing up miles for dramatically different reasons – at their expense.

This has long been the essence of the HBCU experiment in the latter part of the 20th century and into the 21st – do they grow smaller and excel at a few things through fiscal conservatism and strategic development? Or do they expand, pray for the best and expect the worse?

Today’s political climate defines smart finance as how much money can be cut instead of how much can be made. Racism, in the eyes of many white and far too many black constituents, falls into one of two piles – victimization or alternative facts. Officials gamed the system by allowing SSU to survive, but to do so against the fastest growing peer institution in the entire USG – all while many stakeholders dismissed as premature the doomsday prediction for Savannah State when word of the GSU-ASU consolidation became policy.

And now, SSU may not have enough money to remain even in the same athletic division as its greatest institutional threat. Southern and South Carolina State have in recent years flirted with the idea of moving down, but have never done it – even under terms of financial exigency. That Savannah State is preemptively working to avoid such a move, speaks volumes about the state of affairs at the school, and the threats it faces in the months and years to come.

JL Carter Sr.
Founding Editor, HBCUDigest.com



This article is poorly written at best.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: bluedog on April 15, 2017, 12:42:21 PM
At Savannah State, It’s Much Bigger Than Moving Down to Division II

This should not be the typical conversation about HBCU athletics, the athletes they can’t recruit, the fans who don’t show up, the games we cannot win and the money we cannot make. Those discussions, and the umbrella conversations about the wisdom of competing at Division I are legitimate on both sides when it comes to scholarships, promotional opportunities, and visibility for institutions.

This is about the optics of opportunity in Georgia and states like it. No public HBCU in the state enrolls more students or is stationed in a more developed city than Savannah State University. It had long been on the radar of state legislators seeking to merge the school with a proximate PWI, but whispers of racism and the threat of federal litigation then and now spared the school from that measure.

By this time next year, the University System of Georgia will have completed its consolidation of Georgia Southern University and Armstrong State University. The new GSU will bring to Savannah a BCS-level athletics program, which during the 2015-16 season earned more than $18 million in revenues and $1.3 million in total profit.

Not bad for a mid-major program which moved to the BCS two years after Savannah State joined the Division I Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference, and essentially doubled up SSU in total revenues.  With the consolidation, the former mid-major football powerhouse will grow its athletic brand in a strategic location; a stark contrast to SSU, which this week announced that it is considering moving down to the NCAA’s Division II.

Six years after moving to Division I and just over a year before Georgia Southern takes up real estate just nine miles from its campus, Savannah State realizes that it is too costly and not worth the struggle to maintain the membership – before a larger, better-resourced institution begins competition in the city in 2018.  Recruiting top-tier athletes will be virtually impossible. Savannah’s local media outlets in print and broadcast will be fully committed to GSU’s new digs and new potential.

And any hope SSU had at attracting corporate support and fan buy-in for its sports programs will be overrun by its new predominantly white neighbor.

But Georgia higher ed officials are seemingly content with allowing SSU to stand just long enough so that it can be outperformed athletically, academically and philanthropically by a nearby PWI with 20,000-plus students, a BCS football program and an endless supply of goodwill coming behind it.

It did not have to be this way. The USG could have just as easily consolidated Armstrong State into Savannah State in the same way it consolidated Darton State College into Albany State University. But because the Armstrong opposition lobby was too strong, and the Georgia Southern brand is big enough and diverse enough to avoid charges of limiting choice for minorities, it will flourish while Savannah State, seemingly, will wither.

From a strict sports perspective, there is a reason to applaud Savannah State for seeking out the same pressure valve Winston-Salem State University found in 2010. WSSU returned to the CIAA after a failed five-year tenure in the MEAC and won championships across the board while maintaining resonance with its fan base and the surrounding community.


In the last five years, several Division II HBCUs have been nationally-ranked in football, men’s and women’s basketball. The CIAA Basketball Tournament remains among the nation’s most viable college sports products, regardless of division. The Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Conference has led the country in D-II football attendance for 14 straight years. On the surface, there appears to be room for optimism among Savannah State sports fans.

But from operational and cultural perspectives, the timing of this announcement could not be worse for the institution. GSU arrives with a BCS bandwagon gassed up and ready to go, while Savannah State signals to its stakeholders that the old stationwagon upon which campus excutives have been working to restore for the better part of a decade is only fit to drive to church services and cabarets.

And for Georgia taxpayers who doesn’t know the political or financial back stories of these schools, they’ll only see two vastly different cars ringing up miles for dramatically different reasons – at their expense.

This has long been the essence of the HBCU experiment in the latter part of the 20th century and into the 21st – do they grow smaller and excel at a few things through fiscal conservatism and strategic development? Or do they expand, pray for the best and expect the worse?

Today’s political climate defines smart finance as how much money can be cut instead of how much can be made. Racism, in the eyes of many white and far too many black constituents, falls into one of two piles – victimization or alternative facts. Officials gamed the system by allowing SSU to survive, but to do so against the fastest growing peer institution in the entire USG – all while many stakeholders dismissed as premature the doomsday prediction for Savannah State when word of the GSU-ASU consolidation became policy.

And now, SSU may not have enough money to remain even in the same athletic division as its greatest institutional threat. Southern and South Carolina State have in recent years flirted with the idea of moving down, but have never done it – even under terms of financial exigency. That Savannah State is preemptively working to avoid such a move, speaks volumes about the state of affairs at the school, and the threats it faces in the months and years to come.

JL Carter Sr.
Founding Editor, HBCUDigest.com



This article is poorly written at best.

Extremely
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: bluedog on April 15, 2017, 12:46:07 PM
Well Bluedog,

When nearly 80% of your athletic budget is subsidized, and nearly 60% of that budget is on the back of students in athletic fees, I am not saying that moving down is the answer, but a discussion regarding division affiliation is appropriate.  

The author is correct about the bigger picture.  Georgia Southern in Savannah is going to essentially cripple the University.  Savannah State is in desperate need of a president with sharp business acumen and corporate experience to garner the dollars through corporate support and innovative fundraiser.  What we have now is a social worker posing as a President.  This is bad for the University.  

For Savannah State, the move to Division I, increased visibility, dramatically raised the student enrollment, profile, and drastically improved our non-black enrollment figures, resulting in a positive desegregative effect.  Savannah State went from around 5% non black to nearly 18% non-black.  


And just what does any of that have to do with my complaint about the article and the author constant inaccuracies?
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: SkegeeFAMU on April 15, 2017, 06:36:28 PM
:clap:  Best wishes!   :clap:  I hope this works out to shut the naysayers up. 

Good luck to SSU!!!
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: thatd@mnYOGI on April 15, 2017, 08:51:10 PM
I am not going to entertain that narrative by the HBCUDigest. They lost credibility with me when they started naming Georgia Southern a BCS school. Obviously, they didn't bother to do their research. There are no BCS. They are either Power 5 or FBS.

Again, whatever decision our Orange Cousins decide, I will be happy for them. I will be happier if they return back to the SIAC. I miss our home-to-home back in the day. It's sad that the current students from either school don't know nor understand the history and the rivalry between both schools. I miss those two hour drives to Savannah.

that's all...
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: y04185 on April 15, 2017, 09:02:12 PM
They may as well go back to D2.  The alumni might give now.  They won't keep it up.  After they have gotten over with their feelings it will be business as usual.  The athletic department won't hire enough staff to get enough corporate sponsors to sustain athletics at any level. 
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Devin on April 15, 2017, 09:54:19 PM
Obviously, they didn't bother to do their research. There are no BCS. They are either Power 5 or FBS.

They're all FBS at that level. There is no either. It's just the major conferences are distinguished as P5, formerly BCS conferences.,
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Conquero on April 15, 2017, 10:10:50 PM
All I'm saying is don't get caught up in semantics. The tenor of what he is saying is true.  The HBCU digest that is. 

The Bowl Championship Series (BCS) was a selection system that created five bowl game match-ups involving ten of the top ranked teams in the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) Division I Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) of American college football, including an opportunity for the top two teams to compete in the BCS National Championship Game. The system was in place for the 1998 through 2013 seasons and in 2014 was replaced by the College Football Playoff.

Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: EPJr on April 15, 2017, 10:17:24 PM
I am not going to entertain that narrative by the HBCUDigest. They lost credibility with me when they started naming Georgia Southern a BCS school. Obviously, they didn't bother to do their research. There are no BCS. They are either Power 5 or FBS.

Again, whatever decision our Orange Cousins decide, I will be happy for them. I will be happier if they return back to the SIAC. I miss our home-to-home back in the day. It's sad that the current students from either school don't know nor understand the history and the rivalry between both schools. I miss those two hour drives to Savannah.

that's all...

make that P5 and G5 (GSU is a G5 school)
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: bluedog on April 15, 2017, 11:23:10 PM
I am not going to entertain that narrative by the HBCUDigest. They lost credibility with me when they started naming Georgia Southern a BCS school. Obviously, they didn't bother to do their research. There are no BCS. They are either Power 5 or FBS.

Again, whatever decision our Orange Cousins decide, I will be happy for them. I will be happier if they return back to the SIAC. I miss our home-to-home back in the day. It's sad that the current students from either school don't know nor understand the history and the rivalry between both schools. I miss those two hour drives to Savannah.

that's all...

make that P5 and G5 (GSU is a G5 school)

Nah man it's just semantics.  What's wrong with you expecting a sports writer or whatever to actually be accurate and showing some knowledge of what he's professing to be an expert at in his field?
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Thinkingaboutit on April 16, 2017, 08:14:45 AM
It would appear that a school as old and the size of Savannah State could take the Walker proposal and increase it.  There has to be 6000 - 8000 alumni capable of giving $1000 dollars to the school each year.  Okay maybe 1000 giving a $1000. A MILLION SEEM A LOT UNTIL BROKEN DOWN IN BIT SIZE PIECES and if by chance they can match with an employer (the school on the academic side) get another 1000 from each giver.  Then the request by Walker to each Alumni chapters giving such a low amount. Surely he expects more than 30k in total.  Maybe its a starting figure but  This is 2017 not 1985.  A different mindset - with the nice facilities and all, SSU folk are lukewarm on following the team and coming to their stadium when we played down there.  :shrug: :shrug:  Folk love to see failure, but if the athletic deficit is only 300k  not bad so join the national athletic red ink team.  That is normal, however when you factor in the low student athletic fees the results are seemingly inevitable.  SSU has to increase the season tickets cost and sales (those who are coming are coming).  Every alumni chapter member in an 2 hours drive from Savannah should have a season ticket.  TRY AT LEAST in the tax deductible giving- the freebee match from YOUR employer to the university.  TWO BIRD WITH ONE STONE.  The problem, like most HBCU's, is cultural relative to giving.  
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: westcoastaggie on April 16, 2017, 08:45:55 AM
It would appear that a school as old and the size of Savannah State could take the Walker proposal and increase it.  There has to be 6000 - 8000 alumni capable of giving $1000 dollars to the school each year.  Okay maybe 1000 giving a $1000. A MILLION SEEM A LOT UNTIL BROKEN DOWN IN BIT SIZE PIECES and if by chance they can match with an employer (the school on the academic side) get another 1000 from each giver.  Then the request by Walker to each Alumni chapters giving such a low amount. Surely he expects more than 30k in total.  Maybe its a starting figure but  This is 2017 not 1985.  A different mindset - with the nice facilities and all, SSU folk are lukewarm on following the team and coming to their stadium when we played down there.  :shrug: :shrug:  Folk love to see failure, but if the athletic deficit is only 300k  not bad so join the national athletic red ink team.  That is normal, however when you factor in the low student athletic fees the results are seemingly inevitable.  SSU has to increase the season tickets cost and sales (those who are coming are coming).  Every alumni chapter member in an 2 hours drive from Savannah should have a season ticket.  TRY AT LEAST in the tax deductible giving- the freebee match from YOUR employer to the university.  TWO BIRD WITH ONE STONE.  The problem, like most HBCU's, is cultural relative to giving.  

Umm... I do not believe season tickets are tax deductible.  :shrug:

Also, not every alum within two hours need to have football season tickets. Everyone does not like football.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: y04185 on April 16, 2017, 09:23:23 AM
It would appear that a school as old and the size of Savannah State could take the Walker proposal and increase it.  There has to be 6000 - 8000 alumni capable of giving $1000 dollars to the school each year.  Okay maybe 1000 giving a $1000. A MILLION SEEM A LOT UNTIL BROKEN DOWN IN BIT SIZE PIECES and if by chance they can match with an employer (the school on the academic side) get another 1000 from each giver.  Then the request by Walker to each Alumni chapters giving such a low amount. Surely he expects more than 30k in total.  Maybe its a starting figure but  This is 2017 not 1985.  A different mindset - with the nice facilities and all, SSU folk are lukewarm on following the team and coming to their stadium when we played down there.  :shrug: :shrug:  Folk love to see failure, but if the athletic deficit is only 300k  not bad so join the national athletic red ink team.  That is normal, however when you factor in the low student athletic fees the results are seemingly inevitable.  SSU has to increase the season tickets cost and sales (those who are coming are coming).  Every alumni chapter member in an 2 hours drive from Savannah should have a season ticket.  TRY AT LEAST in the tax deductible giving- the freebee match from YOUR employer to the university.  TWO BIRD WITH ONE STONE.  The problem, like most HBCU's, is cultural relative to giving.  

Umm... I do not believe season tickets are tax deductible.  :shrug:

Also, not every alum within two hours need to have football season tickets. Everyone does not like football.  :shrug:

Every alumni that has a business should have season tickets.  They should also advertise on the radio and TV broadcasts of the games. 
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: westcoastaggie on April 16, 2017, 09:30:37 AM
It would appear that a school as old and the size of Savannah State could take the Walker proposal and increase it.  There has to be 6000 - 8000 alumni capable of giving $1000 dollars to the school each year.  Okay maybe 1000 giving a $1000. A MILLION SEEM A LOT UNTIL BROKEN DOWN IN BIT SIZE PIECES and if by chance they can match with an employer (the school on the academic side) get another 1000 from each giver.  Then the request by Walker to each Alumni chapters giving such a low amount. Surely he expects more than 30k in total.  Maybe its a starting figure but  This is 2017 not 1985.  A different mindset - with the nice facilities and all, SSU folk are lukewarm on following the team and coming to their stadium when we played down there.  :shrug: :shrug:  Folk love to see failure, but if the athletic deficit is only 300k  not bad so join the national athletic red ink team.  That is normal, however when you factor in the low student athletic fees the results are seemingly inevitable.  SSU has to increase the season tickets cost and sales (those who are coming are coming).  Every alumni chapter member in an 2 hours drive from Savannah should have a season ticket.  TRY AT LEAST in the tax deductible giving- the freebee match from YOUR employer to the university.  TWO BIRD WITH ONE STONE.  The problem, like most HBCU's, is cultural relative to giving.  

Umm... I do not believe season tickets are tax deductible.  :shrug:

Also, not every alum within two hours need to have football season tickets. Everyone does not like football.  :shrug:

Every alumni that has a business should have season tickets.  They should also advertise on the radio and TV broadcasts of the games. 

Huh?
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: y04185 on April 16, 2017, 09:38:06 AM
It would appear that a school as old and the size of Savannah State could take the Walker proposal and increase it.  There has to be 6000 - 8000 alumni capable of giving $1000 dollars to the school each year.  Okay maybe 1000 giving a $1000. A MILLION SEEM A LOT UNTIL BROKEN DOWN IN BIT SIZE PIECES and if by chance they can match with an employer (the school on the academic side) get another 1000 from each giver.  Then the request by Walker to each Alumni chapters giving such a low amount. Surely he expects more than 30k in total.  Maybe its a starting figure but  This is 2017 not 1985.  A different mindset - with the nice facilities and all, SSU folk are lukewarm on following the team and coming to their stadium when we played down there.  :shrug: :shrug:  Folk love to see failure, but if the athletic deficit is only 300k  not bad so join the national athletic red ink team.  That is normal, however when you factor in the low student athletic fees the results are seemingly inevitable.  SSU has to increase the season tickets cost and sales (those who are coming are coming).  Every alumni chapter member in an 2 hours drive from Savannah should have a season ticket.  TRY AT LEAST in the tax deductible giving- the freebee match from YOUR employer to the university.  TWO BIRD WITH ONE STONE.  The problem, like most HBCU's, is cultural relative to giving.  

Umm... I do not believe season tickets are tax deductible.  :shrug:

Also, not every alum within two hours need to have football season tickets. Everyone does not like football.  :shrug:

Every alumni that has a business should have season tickets.  They should also advertise on the radio and TV broadcasts of the games. 

Huh?

Advertising for the business at the games.  The season tickets are an investment.  They can bring clients to the games.  If no clients they can use the tickets as rewards employee rewards. 

Are you saying SSU doesn't broadcast their games on radio?
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: 92 SSU on April 16, 2017, 10:35:39 AM
It would appear that a school as old and the size of Savannah State could take the Walker proposal and increase it.  There has to be 6000 - 8000 alumni capable of giving $1000 dollars to the school each year.  Okay maybe 1000 giving a $1000. A MILLION SEEM A LOT UNTIL BROKEN DOWN IN BIT SIZE PIECES and if by chance they can match with an employer (the school on the academic side) get another 1000 from each giver.  Then the request by Walker to each Alumni chapters giving such a low amount. Surely he expects more than 30k in total.  Maybe its a starting figure but  This is 2017 not 1985.  A different mindset - with the nice facilities and all, SSU folk are lukewarm on following the team and coming to their stadium when we played down there.  :shrug: :shrug:  Folk love to see failure, but if the athletic deficit is only 300k  not bad so join the national athletic red ink team.  That is normal, however when you factor in the low student athletic fees the results are seemingly inevitable.  SSU has to increase the season tickets cost and sales (those who are coming are coming).  Every alumni chapter member in an 2 hours drive from Savannah should have a season ticket.  TRY AT LEAST in the tax deductible giving- the freebee match from YOUR employer to the university.  TWO BIRD WITH ONE STONE.  The problem, like most HBCU's, is cultural relative to giving.  

Umm... I do not believe season tickets are tax deductible.  :shrug:

Also, not every alum within two hours need to have football season tickets. Everyone does not like football.  :shrug:

In theory everything on paper sounds/looks simple. If it was so ALL HBCUs would be great financially. But nearly all hbcus from the largest to the smallest that sponsor NCAA athletics are struggling financially. No need for some to front. Some are realistic and dealing with it appropriately while some are not.

First, there are MANY alum who have given consistently to academics for decades. Some of these people will never ever give to athletics. The pool of potential donors to athletics needs to be expanded. For that to happen you need a well thought out plan that is embraced and driven by alumni and the schools administration. If you're going to get buy in from masses of folks people need to see/feel/believe the Institution is being run by honest competent folks.

Honestly another issue is the lack of knowledge of the general fan base in regards to what type of yearly effort it takes to finance athletics at the D1 level. Many of us on this board are in somewhat of a bubble as the general HBCU fan base for some schools only see big checks coming in and don't understand many schools are close to athletic financial ruin.

These are some things that should happen well BEFORE a school attempts a move up. After the fact when you are near failure makes it so much more difficult.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Conquero on April 16, 2017, 03:42:35 PM
I am not going to entertain that narrative by the HBCUDigest. They lost credibility with me when they started naming Georgia Southern a BCS school. Obviously, they didn't bother to do their research. There are no BCS. They are either Power 5 or FBS.

Again, whatever decision our Orange Cousins decide, I will be happy for them. I will be happier if they return back to the SIAC. I miss our home-to-home back in the day. It's sad that the current students from either school don't know nor understand the history and the rivalry between both schools. I miss those two hour drives to Savannah.

that's all...

make that P5 and G5 (GSU is a G5 school)

Nah man it's just semantics.  What's wrong with you expecting a sports writer or whatever to actually be accurate and showing some knowledge of what he's professing to be an expert at in his field?

Yeah, I don't know if this guy is a SPORT'S WRITER, per se.  I have seen articles he's written regarding HBCU's ranging from political, academic, athletic, etc.

 
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Conquero on April 16, 2017, 03:48:46 PM
It would appear that a school as old and the size of Savannah State could take the Walker proposal and increase it.  There has to be 6000 - 8000 alumni capable of giving $1000 dollars to the school each year.  Okay maybe 1000 giving a $1000. A MILLION SEEM A LOT UNTIL BROKEN DOWN IN BIT SIZE PIECES and if by chance they can match with an employer (the school on the academic side) get another 1000 from each giver.  Then the request by Walker to each Alumni chapters giving such a low amount. Surely he expects more than 30k in total.  Maybe its a starting figure but  This is 2017 not 1985.  A different mindset - with the nice facilities and all, SSU folk are lukewarm on following the team and coming to their stadium when we played down there.  :shrug: :shrug:  Folk love to see failure, but if the athletic deficit is only 300k  not bad so join the national athletic red ink team.  That is normal, however when you factor in the low student athletic fees the results are seemingly inevitable.  SSU has to increase the season tickets cost and sales (those who are coming are coming).  Every alumni chapter member in an 2 hours drive from Savannah should have a season ticket. TRY AT LEAST in the tax deductible giving- the freebee match from YOUR employer to the university.  TWO BIRD WITH ONE STONE.  The problem, like most HBCU's, is cultural relative to giving.  

You are absolutely correct.  What wasn't mentioned that is apart of the Walker plan was that we are going to solicit between 600-1000 alums to give 1K, specifically are alumni life members.  

Right now the biggest problem at SSU is having a President that would endorse a drive to save athletics financially.  They summoned her to the Board of Regents System's office right before contract renewals (this month) and gave her an ultimatum that she move us back to Division II or else she would unemployed.  She is currently lying to alumni telling them it was her decision, trying to shield the system's office and save her job, because this is just her nature.  I can't blame her need for self survival.  But it is no coincidence the timing of it all.  She has travelled her hearts content not really being on campus creating strategic plans academically or athletically for our survival.  When the issue of Skidaway Institute came up, in reference to which institution should be at the helm of the Island marine institute, not only did she not lobby but discouraged alumni from lobbying - almost begging us not to fight for it.  She has not introduced a single viable academic program to campus since her arrival nearly seven years ago, and she is insistent on not building anymore student housing, despite we have a demand for it.  She can't keep an academic affairs officer, and in seven years she has not generated a strategic plan.  This is a joke.  If SSU fails it is the fault of the apathetic alumni. 

In short, any plan would be successful if the president and leadership was behind it. 

 

 
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: y04185 on April 16, 2017, 04:25:50 PM
It would appear that a school as old and the size of Savannah State could take the Walker proposal and increase it.  There has to be 6000 - 8000 alumni capable of giving $1000 dollars to the school each year.  Okay maybe 1000 giving a $1000. A MILLION SEEM A LOT UNTIL BROKEN DOWN IN BIT SIZE PIECES and if by chance they can match with an employer (the school on the academic side) get another 1000 from each giver.  Then the request by Walker to each Alumni chapters giving such a low amount. Surely he expects more than 30k in total.  Maybe its a starting figure but  This is 2017 not 1985.  A different mindset - with the nice facilities and all, SSU folk are lukewarm on following the team and coming to their stadium when we played down there.  :shrug: :shrug:  Folk love to see failure, but if the athletic deficit is only 300k  not bad so join the national athletic red ink team.  That is normal, however when you factor in the low student athletic fees the results are seemingly inevitable.  SSU has to increase the season tickets cost and sales (those who are coming are coming).  Every alumni chapter member in an 2 hours drive from Savannah should have a season ticket. TRY AT LEAST in the tax deductible giving- the freebee match from YOUR employer to the university.  TWO BIRD WITH ONE STONE.  The problem, like most HBCU's, is cultural relative to giving.  

You are absolutely correct.  What wasn't mentioned that is apart of the Walker plan was that we are going to solicit between 600-1000 alums to give 1K, specifically are alumni life members.  

Right now the biggest problem at SSU is having a President that would endorse a drive to save athletics financially.  They summoned her to the Board of Regents System's office right before contract renewals (this month) and gave her an ultimatum that she move us back to Division II or else she would unemployed.  She is currently lying to alumni telling them it was her decision, trying to shield the system's office and save her job, because this is just her nature.  I can't blame her need for self survival.  But it is no coincidence the timing of it all.  She has travelled her hearts content not really being on campus creating strategic plans academically or athletically for our survival.  When the issue of Skidaway Institute came up, in reference to which institution should be at the helm of the Island marine institute, not only did she not lobby but discouraged alumni from lobbying - almost begging us not to fight for it.  She has not introduced a single viable academic program to campus since her arrival nearly seven years ago, and she is insistent on not building anymore student housing, despite we have a demand for it.  She can't keep an academic affairs officer, and in seven years she has not generated a strategic plan.  This is a joke.  If SSU fails it is the fault of the apathetic alumni. 

In short, any plan would be successful if the president and leadership was behind it. 

 

 

I didn't know it was that bad down there.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: eagle pride on April 16, 2017, 08:36:56 PM
Wow Conquero, that is some deep stuff.  I know you can do it, but without proper leadership, it will not be done. 
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Thinkingaboutit on April 16, 2017, 09:11:41 PM
It would appear that a school as old and the size of Savannah State could take the Walker proposal and increase it.  There has to be 6000 - 8000 alumni capable of giving $1000 dollars to the school each year.  Okay maybe 1000 giving a $1000. A MILLION SEEM A LOT UNTIL BROKEN DOWN IN BIT SIZE PIECES and if by chance they can match with an employer (the school on the academic side) get another 1000 from each giver.  Then the request by Walker to each Alumni chapters giving such a low amount. Surely he expects more than 30k in total.  Maybe its a starting figure but  This is 2017 not 1985.  A different mindset - with the nice facilities and all, SSU folk are lukewarm on following the team and coming to their stadium when we played down there.  :shrug: :shrug:  Folk love to see failure, but if the athletic deficit is only 300k  not bad so join the national athletic red ink team.  That is normal, however when you factor in the low student athletic fees the results are seemingly inevitable.  SSU has to increase the season tickets cost and sales (those who are coming are coming).  Every alumni chapter member in an 2 hours drive from Savannah should have a season ticket.  TRY AT LEAST in the tax deductible giving- the freebee match from YOUR employer to the university.  TWO BIRD WITH ONE STONE.  The problem, like most HBCU's, is cultural relative to giving.  

Umm... I do not believe season tickets are tax deductible.  :shrug:

Also, not every alum within two hours need to have football season tickets. Everyone does not like football.  :shrug:


That Walker plan is a start and a good one.  No one said you could deduct season tickets.   :shrug:  The suggestion was that true blue marsh cats within a 2 hours drive should be encouraged within those alumni chapters to purchase season tickets if they are SSUFB supporters.  Push for 1000-1500 alumni to give SSU 1000 each year.  They are out there.  Walker with others can identify the potentials and go from there. Sure, there are the "yeah, buts" on the campus, in the administration, and alumni who will not support anything other than a paycheck received and giving nothing back.  Start by looking at your faculty and staff who give back NOTHING! It starts with that picture of mirrored self. 

NCCU, which I am a graduate of, has its problems too.   They do make an attempt to better things with different approaches and some actually work.  Why not get behind Walker cry?. He needs all SSU support and it would be a crying shame to sit on your hands and watch this happen. People are bought and sold everyday at your expense.

There are persons who are NCCU season ticket holders living in another state who attend maybe two games a year in Durham.  They have purchased them for years. And you Aggies do the same.  Look at your 2hr distanced alumni that purchase season tickets each year?
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Jaimac on April 16, 2017, 09:48:53 PM


You are absolutely correct.  What wasn't mentioned that is apart of the Walker plan was that we are going to solicit between 600-1000 alums to give 1K, specifically are alumni life members.  

Right now the biggest problem at SSU is having a President that would endorse a drive to save athletics financially.  They summoned her to the Board of Regents System's office right before contract renewals (this month) and gave her an ultimatum that she move us back to Division II or else she would unemployed.  She is currently lying to alumni telling them it was her decision, trying to shield the system's office and save her job, because this is just her nature.  I can't blame her need for self survival.  But it is no coincidence the timing of it all.  She has travelled her hearts content not really being on campus creating strategic plans academically or athletically for our survival.  When the issue of Skidaway Institute came up, in reference to which institution should be at the helm of the Island marine institute, not only did she not lobby but discouraged alumni from lobbying - almost begging us not to fight for it.  She has not introduced a single viable academic program to campus since her arrival nearly seven years ago, and she is insistent on not building anymore student housing, despite we have a demand for it.  She can't keep an academic affairs officer, and in seven years she has not generated a strategic plan.  This is a joke.  If SSU fails it is the fault of the apathetic alumni. 

In short, any plan would be successful if the president and leadership was behind it. 



The BOR definitely has an ulterior master plan.....the Regemts are putting the pieces  in place.

(http://www.au.planit.com/UserFiles/406/Image/3%20Puzzle%20Piece%20for%20Services.gif)
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: EB on April 16, 2017, 09:49:18 PM
Wow Conquero, that is some deep stuff.  I know you can do it, but without proper leadership, it will not be done.  

That is indeed deep.  I think that Savannah State can survive and thrive, but the school needs a vision, teamwork, and proper leadership.  My thoughts are not based on plain and simple optimism.

I will say this.  Savannah was rated as Georgia's favorite city.  It could be a recruiting tool, or at least I can think of ways how it can.

Also, I keep bringing up the suits that the three Georgia state HBCUs faced (link (http://onnidan1.com/forum/index.php?topic=123158.msg965106#msg965106)).  I will say this for now.  The plaintiffs lost and HBCUs won that battle.  If our schools sit on their behinds, the plaintiffs will win and HBCUs will eventually lose the war.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: 92 SSU on April 17, 2017, 05:05:53 AM


You are absolutely correct.  What wasn't mentioned that is apart of the Walker plan was that we are going to solicit between 600-1000 alums to give 1K, specifically are alumni life members.  

Right now the biggest problem at SSU is having a President that would endorse a drive to save athletics financially.  They summoned her to the Board of Regents System's office right before contract renewals (this month) and gave her an ultimatum that she move us back to Division II or else she would unemployed.  She is currently lying to alumni telling them it was her decision, trying to shield the system's office and save her job, because this is just her nature.  I can't blame her need for self survival.  But it is no coincidence the timing of it all.  She has travelled her hearts content not really being on campus creating strategic plans academically or athletically for our survival.  When the issue of Skidaway Institute came up, in reference to which institution should be at the helm of the Island marine institute, not only did she not lobby but discouraged alumni from lobbying - almost begging us not to fight for it.  She has not introduced a single viable academic program to campus since her arrival nearly seven years ago, and she is insistent on not building anymore student housing, despite we have a demand for it.  She can't keep an academic affairs officer, and in seven years she has not generated a strategic plan.  This is a joke.  If SSU fails it is the fault of the apathetic alumni. 

In short, any plan would be successful if the president and leadership was behind it. 



The BOR definitely has an ulterior master plan.....the Regemts are putting the pieces  in place.

(http://www.au.planit.com/UserFiles/406/Image/3%20Puzzle%20Piece%20for%20Services.gif)

SSU folks have been warned about this early on with this particular administration and it has fallen on death ears. Let's just say the current pres is good at making a certain group of people seem special. This is what they value. SMH

At least in the case of FV it appears your leader was chosen for you without proper input. It's crunch time and the SSU folks have to face the truth that part of their current issue is self inflicted. When she was appointed as interim she looked at the situation she was being handed and said any pres should have no issue getting unprecedented enrollment to 5,000...even over 6,000. But she said I can't be pres because of the regents rule against appointing interims as permanent. But you guys can lobby and convince them. So she cut ribbons on projects, made the sweetest batch of cool aid she could and went on a national traveling tour to convince alum she should be pres. So, they obliged right as the regents was prepping to do an open national search.

So the regents were shocked SSU wanted her but apparently found a perfect way to use her. Now, it will be extremely difficult to pressure them to deal with her because many key people have praised her every incompetent move for 6 years. That is the truth to deal with.

Until something changes in the dysfunctional culture with how SSU alumni think they should relate to presidents and what good leadership looks like not much will change. This attitude ultimately speeds up the demise of your institution. To be honest the student body has proven to be sharper than the alumni in regards to opposing incompetence.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: y04185 on April 17, 2017, 06:57:34 AM


You are absolutely correct.  What wasn't mentioned that is apart of the Walker plan was that we are going to solicit between 600-1000 alums to give 1K, specifically are alumni life members.  

Right now the biggest problem at SSU is having a President that would endorse a drive to save athletics financially.  They summoned her to the Board of Regents System's office right before contract renewals (this month) and gave her an ultimatum that she move us back to Division II or else she would unemployed.  She is currently lying to alumni telling them it was her decision, trying to shield the system's office and save her job, because this is just her nature.  I can't blame her need for self survival.  But it is no coincidence the timing of it all.  She has travelled her hearts content not really being on campus creating strategic plans academically or athletically for our survival.  When the issue of Skidaway Institute came up, in reference to which institution should be at the helm of the Island marine institute, not only did she not lobby but discouraged alumni from lobbying - almost begging us not to fight for it.  She has not introduced a single viable academic program to campus since her arrival nearly seven years ago, and she is insistent on not building anymore student housing, despite we have a demand for it.  She can't keep an academic affairs officer, and in seven years she has not generated a strategic plan.  This is a joke.  If SSU fails it is the fault of the apathetic alumni. 

In short, any plan would be successful if the president and leadership was behind it. 



The BOR definitely has an ulterior master plan.....the Regemts are putting the pieces  in place.

(http://www.au.planit.com/UserFiles/406/Image/3%20Puzzle%20Piece%20for%20Services.gif)

SSU folks have been warned about this early on with this particular administration and it has fallen on death ears. Let's just say the current pres is good at making a certain group of people seem special. This is what they value. SMH

At least in the case of FV it appears your leader was chosen for you without proper input. It's crunch time and the SSU folks have to face the truth that part of their current issue is self inflicted. When she was appointed as interim she looked at the situation she was being handed and said any pres should have no issue getting unprecedented enrollment to 5,000...even over 6,000. But she said I can't be pres because of the regents rule against appointing interims as permanent. But you guys can lobby and convince them. So she cut ribbons on projects, made the sweetest batch of cool aid she could and went on a national traveling tour to convince alum she should be pres. So, they obliged right as the regents was prepping to do an open national search.

So the regents were shocked SSU wanted her but apparently found a perfect way to use her. Now, it will be extremely difficult to pressure them to deal with her because many key people have praised her every incompetent move for 6 years. That is the truth to deal with.

Until something changes in the dysfunctional culture with how SSU alumni think they should relate to presidents and what good leadership looks like not much will change. This attitude ultimately speeds up the demise of your institution. To be honest the student body has proven to be sharper than the alumni in regards to opposing incompetence.

You guys can get rid of her if she's that bad.  If you lobbied to get her.  You can lobby to get rid of her.  It won't be easy.  It can be done. 
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Conquero on April 17, 2017, 07:13:29 AM
92 SSU historical synopsis is factual.  The chancellor at the time flew to Savannah twice and asked alumni if they were sure about wanting this woman to be President.  He stated he had respect for SSU alumni and stated jokingly that we were hard on Presidents and he didn't want to do anything we didn't want.  A private group of influential alumni held a private meeting with the Chancellor unbeknownst to many of us singing her praises because she constantly hugged, kissed, and praised them.

The problem is with a background in social work she never had the proper training and/or wherewithal to be a university president.  And as described by 92 SSU she cut ribbons from facilities acquired from previous administrations and after that she had nothing to do but travel to Africa three to four times annually it seemed.  But creating no strategic plan for the university, only discouraging fights that would lead to progres, vying to protect her bosses in Atlanta.  

The SSU executive board voted not to endorse her, but that an appointment or search committee to produce the best and the brightest would be the course of action.  We knew that once she failed they would turn it back on us if we endorsed her.  A letter was generated to that effect but we later found out was never sent by the then national president who was apart of that secret meeting.  And thus we have an incompetent woman at the helm of leadership, who despite inheriting a thriving institution doesn't have the skill set to capitalize on it.  We kinda have ourselves to blame, even those who sat silently.  But the Bucks stop with systems office in the board of regents.  It is their job to ensure that presidents are strategically planning at institutions.  Obviously they appreciate her docile leadership.

In the past three years she alone has out travelled domestically and internationally both the presidents at UGA, GA Tech and the Chancellor of the entire system combined.  Her tab annually for travel alone is nearly $80k.  She has nothing to show for it.

Any plan would take a resilient effort especially given the ineptness in leadership.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Conquero on April 17, 2017, 07:14:18 AM
Y,

She's that bad.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Conquero on April 17, 2017, 08:23:00 AM
Things maybe heating up on the marsh

Student Protest Today:
Addressing the possibility of Athletic's Division II transition, Spring Commencement, & Band Scholarship Disbursements #SSU come out ‼️

Link to Student Protest Flier:

file:///var/folders/w3/hdl7t0cd2kd6w8xyp_7gp44h0000gn/T/com.apple.iChat/Messages/Transfers/IMG_1336.jpg
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: thatd@mnYOGI on April 17, 2017, 08:43:11 AM
Correct '92 SSU! Our university president was chosen, as Albany State's. Dr. Jones has his flaws and we are still keeping a watchful eye on him, but overall he is strategically moving our university forward and providing a foundation for enrollment growth. He's putting his people in place, in which, I forewarned the previous administration to do and chose not to. And now, he sees what happened. There isn't anyone from any of the previous administrations and I like the new people so far. He knows that the alumni are very privy of any mergers and the talks, thereof, and he addresses it to ad nauseam. He gets annoyed by it, but he knows that that's something he is going to hear a lot from alumni and we are not here to play with him on the further dismantling of our alma mater. Either he's going to be with us or he's not. Dr. Jones is a straight shooter and he has been with the BOARD OF REGIME when they placed him there. We support him until he does something stupid and then all bets are off.

In the case of Dozier, I never understood the Savannah State Alumni being onboard with making her permanent especially her coming from the BOARD OF REGIME. I remember when it was announced and I thought to myself that this is going to be bad because this was the start of the merger talks. Anyone appointed president from them would further the BOARD's agenda and would not be in the best interest of the Marsh Cats.

 :offtopic:
Was this campaign implemented and how has this increase awareness of the university? Have you guys received a good ROI?
SSU Launches $875K Marketing Campaign
http://www.tigersroar.com/news/article_d49e8746-5d7f-11e5-b333-533ecdd7eec9.html


that's all...    :tiptoe:
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: bluedog on April 17, 2017, 11:08:58 AM
Things maybe heating up on the marsh

Student Protest Today:
Addressing the possibility of Athletic's Division II transition, Spring Commencement, & Band Scholarship Disbursements #SSU come out ‼️

Link to Student Protest Flier:

file:///var/folders/w3/hdl7t0cd2kd6w8xyp_7gp44h0000gn/T/com.apple.iChat/Messages/Transfers/IMG_1336.jpg

Maybe it's just me but I can't see anything.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: 92 SSU on April 17, 2017, 04:38:38 PM
Correct '92 SSU! Our university president was chosen, as Albany State's. Dr. Jones has his flaws and we are still keeping a watchful eye on him, but overall he is strategically moving our university forward and providing a foundation for enrollment growth. He's putting his people in place, in which, I forewarned the previous administration to do and chose not to. And now, he sees what happened. There isn't anyone from any of the previous administrations and I like the new people so far. He knows that the alumni are very privy of any mergers and the talks, thereof, and he addresses it to ad nauseam. He gets annoyed by it, but he knows that that's something he is going to hear a lot from alumni and we are not here to play with him on the further dismantling of our alma mater. Either he's going to be with us or he's not. Dr. Jones is a straight shooter and he has been with the BOARD OF REGIME when they placed him there. We support him until he does something stupid and then all bets are off.

In the case of Dozier, I never understood the Savannah State Alumni being onboard with making her permanent especially her coming from the BOARD OF REGIME. I remember when it was announced and I thought to myself that this is going to be bad because this was the start of the merger talks. Anyone appointed president from them would further the BOARD's agenda and would not be in the best interest of the Marsh Cats.

 :offtopic:
Was this campaign implemented and how has this increase awareness of the university? Have you guys received a good ROI?
SSU Launches $875K Marketing Campaign
http://www.tigersroar.com/news/article_d49e8746-5d7f-11e5-b333-533ecdd7eec9.html


that's all...    :tiptoe:

First to answer the off topic....Some beautiful videos were created but to my current knowledge were only shown locally. A hefty price for something your mass comm Dept has demonstrated it can do in house.


At least your alum are awake and get it. I know there are still issues but at least they have let their opinion be known. The SSU social worker president has tamed a huge segment of ours. This group gets offended if you even ask the merger question. They don't want accountability.

I was talking to one about the excessive travel. He said she was friend raising and people should stop nit picking. I said when is friend raising gonna turn into FUNDRAISING? After nearly seven years and she still isn't bringing home checks? Many people did not find out how she was being hired back door until it was too late.

In her first few years enrollment grew by nearly 18% yet she has not used that as a platform to drive academic program expansion beyond a general studies degree. In the face of the merger alum should be very concerned her hand picked vp for academic affairs has not lasted a year. She did not like any of the better qualified candidates that actually created new programs. Despite the positive things about SSU she is not using them to draft a plan to expand SSU. She is literally babysitting and waiting to be told what to do with SSU.

Somewhat related but off topic is spring enrollment decline as it does affect budget. The report is out and SSU is down nearly 6%, FV nearly 1%, Albany is down 17% and Darton is down 24%. It's hard to sell what Albany will gain from the merger at this pace?
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Jaimac on April 17, 2017, 04:58:45 PM

First to answer the off topic....Some beautiful videos were created but to my current knowledge were only shown locally. A hefty price for something your mass comm Dept has demonstrated it can do in house.


At least your alum are awake and get it. I know there are still issues but at least they have let their opinion be known. The SSU social worker president has tamed a huge segment of ours. This group gets offended if you even ask the merger question. They don't want accountability.

I was talking to one about the excessive travel. He said she was friend raising and people should stop nit picking. I said when is friend raising gonna turn into FUNDRAISING? After nearly seven years and she still isn't bringing home checks? Many people did not find out how she was being hired back door until it was too late.

In her first few years enrollment grew by nearly 18% yet she has not used that as a platform to drive academic program expansion beyond a general studies degree. In the face of the merger alum should be very concerned her hand picked vp for academic affairs has not lasted a year. She did not like any of the better qualified candidates that actually created new programs. Despite the positive things about SSU she is not using them to draft a plan to expand SSU. She is literally babysitting and waiting to be told what to do with SSU.

Somewhat related but off topic is spring enrollment decline as it does affect budget. The report is out and SSU is down nearly 6%, FV nearly 1%, Albany is down 17% and Darton is down 24%. It's hard to sell what Albany will gain from the merger at this pace?


 ::)   As you know, these people do NOT like being called out on their BS.   :tongue2:
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: thatd@mnYOGI on April 17, 2017, 08:25:11 PM
First to answer the off topic....Some beautiful videos were created but to my current knowledge were only shown locally. A hefty price for something your mass comm Dept has demonstrated it can do in house.


LOCAL?? WTH??

that's all...   ???
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Conquero on April 17, 2017, 08:29:19 PM
Yogi,

no ROI.  It was a waste.  That nearly $1million dollars could have gone towards the athletic deficit.  No student buy in, no faculty buy in , and no alumni buy in.  Dozier is complete joke. 

The comments are very telling. 

University President Dr. Cheryl Dozier has become a cheerleader for the new campaign and motto, using it at faculty meetings, student lectures and other speaking engagements on and off campus.
However, many students aren’t feeling it. Keishawndra Banks, a 23-year-old senior said, “I strongly dislike this whole “seriously impressive” slogan. I think students should have been able to vote and being that we were not able to the decision took our voice as students.”
“I’d prefer that you can get anywhere from here. It made more sense it was more compatible with the students today but I guess smart, bold, seriously impressive that’s okay too but I don’t know I just have a place in my heart for you can get anywhere from here,” Jimmy Swan, a 23-year-old senior said.
 “In all honestly I like that you can get anywhere from here because it is if you’re at Savannah State you can become a great person, you can become a doctor in your study, you can become a master in your field if you need to you can transfer to another college [and still] get anywhere from here,” Jeremy Little, a 23- year- old junior said. “But when they changed it to   bold, proud, intelligent and seriously impressive I was like okay what has the school done that is seriously impressive?”   


Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Conquero on April 17, 2017, 08:32:14 PM
92 SSU is right she inherited an institution with promising growth, now that growth is dwindling.  She is baby sitting and traveling.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: thatd@mnYOGI on April 17, 2017, 08:47:48 PM
Yes, I read the comments Conquero by the students, who are ultimately your salespeople. If they don't or can't relate to what you are selling, how do expect any future students to do so. The marketing campaign should have had a full buy in by the administration, student and alumni to have confidence and promoting what you are selling. Locally isn't going to cut with that much money you are spending on putting it together. I know there had to be a marketing plan with targeted demographics and positioning. The administration can't be accepting of it being utilize for local. Yes, that money could have gone to athletics and the marketing plan could have waited until that is stabilized. But, that's just my opinion.

that's all...
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: 92 SSU on April 18, 2017, 05:32:48 AM
Doesn't matter how much you show a local video if locally you are covered in the media as an inept leader who has consistently fumbled with the basics like not communicating crisis issues in a timely manner or creating housing debacles that was widely publicized.

I'm not into conspiracy theories on this but something does not jive about spending nearly a million on a local short term campaign. I would not be shocked if someone could follow the money to see if the firm has ties to someone on the regents.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: thatd@mnYOGI on April 18, 2017, 08:07:40 AM
92 SSU, that's why I asked because researching the firm that was utilized, they have done several educational brand campaigns including West Georgia. The funny thing is the West Georgia piece I remember seeing it a year ago on social media and other places. And I don't live in Georgia. Honestly, the Savannah State campaign is new to me and first time seeing it. I don't know if the firm had anything to do with it. I think it is more the university since they are the client who should have more precedent to what are the deliverables in this. I just would like to know what was pitched to them and what was the ROI in this campaign. Almost a million dollars isn't anything to sneeze at.

that's all...    :shrug:
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: MilesBear1 on April 18, 2017, 12:07:04 PM
Where was Mr. Walker before now? These folks kill me coming out of no where when they know they was suppose to be supporting the school from day 1. Don't wait until the school make a Lifeline announcement to rally the troops. When the Troops should've been working before now. They knew the cost to be on Division I after trying nearly 30 years to become a Division I program. Everybody wants to give now but where were you before now? And this goes to all our HBCU Alums on both Division I,II,III,and Independent don't let your Alma Mater get on a Lifeline before you try to save it. That's why I continue to give to Miles as much as I can every month out of my payroll and I also challenge my family members who are also Miles Grads to do the same. Even my Church Trinity Baptist Church and Sixth Avenue Baptist Church here in Birmingham,Alabama has a special fund that they give Miles every year. And Sixth Avenue Baptist Church has a Miles Day every year at their Church where our President is the speaker and our Choir and Band renders the music on Miles Day. So I'm saying you got to get your Community involve in supporting your School. And General Fund Pot at our Schools has got to be the riches pot in the world. That Pot alone will save your school because we always dumping money like donations and gifts in that pot. So it's time to start spending that General Fund Money for your school. SACs ask us about that when they visit your school when renewing your accreditation. I know because I have heard them asked Miles about it in our meetings. They want to know what are you using that money for or why is it not being used. They told my late President Dr. Sloan to use that money for Staff Development Retreats,Athletic Scholarships, Academic Scholarships, Faculty and Staff raises,and Campus upgrades. Some of our General Funds Pot have over a Billion Dollars in it just sitting there. :nod:
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Golden Kitten on April 18, 2017, 01:06:40 PM
I'm fairly certain Mr. Walker has been a financial supporter all along...  :nod:
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: 92 SSU on April 18, 2017, 04:08:47 PM
He has been since b4 I met him many years ago.. And all the things Milesbear described with churches occurrs to some degree at SSU. But, over the last two decades we have lost community support in many areas, some of which is very self inflicted.

Also there is no way to dodge the ramifications of the original sin of a base supporting a president that did not have a comprehensive plan to organize and fund the move up.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: MilesBear1 on April 18, 2017, 05:18:39 PM
Ok 92 SSU
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Valley Girl on April 18, 2017, 05:19:39 PM
Sounds like the effort should be made to get rid of the inept leader and put someone of quality in place - the rest will fall into place - because if the head isn't right.....
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Rams3 on April 18, 2017, 05:53:50 PM
Sounds like the effort should be made to get rid of the inept leader and put someone of quality in place - the rest will fall into place - because if the head isn't right.....
^^^  :clap: :nod:
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Conquero on April 18, 2017, 07:08:58 PM
I'm fairly certain Mr. Walker has been a financial supporter all along...  :nod:

A quite generous one at that. 
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Conquero on April 18, 2017, 07:13:05 PM
He has been since b4 I met him many years ago.. And all the things Milesbear described with churches occurrs to some degree at SSU. But, over the last two decades we have lost community support in many areas, some of which is very self inflicted.

Also there is no way to dodge the ramifications of the original sin of a base supporting a president that did not have a comprehensive plan to organize and fund the move up.

92 I differ with you here.  We didn't have this kind of a deficit before.  Not that the deficit isn't commensurate with similarly situated institutions.  And like I stated on previous threads the chancellor gave the next two presidents an opportunity to look at the plan and determine whether they thought staying division I or moving to division II would be feasible.  Both presidents prior chose to remain Division I.  It's not like they didn't have choices. 
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: thatd@mnYOGI on April 18, 2017, 07:37:33 PM
  And like I stated on previous threads the chancellor gave the next two presidents an opportunity to look at the plan and determine whether they thought staying division I or moving to division II would be feasible.  Both presidents prior chose to remain Division I.  It's not like they didn't have choices. 

My question what role did the alumni play in knowing this deficit and try to resolve the issue? I read in the previous article that Mr. Walker stated they knew about the deficit for some time and still continued on this path. What was the strategic plan or alternative plans, IF they were not able to meet this deficit? As some point, you can't fault the president. The alumni also has a voice and privy to this Division I information.

that's all...    :shrug:
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: 92 SSU on April 18, 2017, 09:23:33 PM
He has been since b4 I met him many years ago.. And all the things Milesbear described with churches occurrs to some degree at SSU. But, over the last two decades we have lost community support in many areas, some of which is very self inflicted.

Also there is no way to dodge the ramifications of the original sin of a base supporting a president that did not have a comprehensive plan to organize and fund the move up.

92 I differ with you here.  We didn't have this kind of a deficit before.  Not that the deficit isn't commensurate with similarly situated institutions.  And like I stated on previous threads the chancellor gave the next two presidents an opportunity to look at the plan and determine whether they thought staying division I or moving to division II would be feasible.  Both presidents prior chose to remain Division I.  It's not like they didn't have choices. 

I don't know about that. We should not have had as big a deficit way back when as an independent when we are rediculously paying head football coaches under $70,000. The assistants were getting paid in the $20,000s. We were d1 in name only. Several years we offered under 40 scholarships. This is just football. Paying basketball coaches peanuts without full scholarships to work with while requiring them to do team laundry. Like I said this was foolish to support, a no brainier. When you start out like that you're doomed. Until as a group we can be honest about the root cause the future will be dim. If we can't we will continue to support incompetent decision making.

The next presidents do not share equal blame in creating the conditions that lead to this. As a new president most are gonna start off doing what the movers and money crew say they want. I have never seen a modern day sustainability study on this for SSU. What I did see was the money giving crew say (this is not a study) we want to be in d1 and we will support it $$$. The next admin did it's best to clean things up, improve facilities and get us in the MEAC. But, with being in a conference the budget expectations increased significantly.

To be honest the admin did come up with a financial recipe. A big part of of it is student fees/enrollment and fundraising, which the admin fail at. But as Yogi said alumni, in particular those who supported this, bear some responsibility. I know some of the main ones who claim to be die-hard don't even come to games other than homecoming and look for a hookup on that ticket. Despite everyone saying we wanna be d1 the attendance numbers suggest they do not want to support it. Student fees and money games can only go so far. Also the extreme deficit is not knew. The regents mentioned our issue in print almost 3 years ago. Certain people also knew they were talking about SSU not being able to stay in d1 for a while.

I know some great ideas are out there now to address a multitude of financial concerns. Those need to stay active to devise a well thought out comprehensive plan. What is gonna hurt the effort is people who wanna support this not being aligned with who is responsible for what. Many who wanna fight for d1 are gonna fold as soon as it means opposing the admin. One told me accountability is overrated.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Conquero on April 19, 2017, 03:47:31 AM
92 SSU

The problem is there was never any fundraising done by this administration despite pleas from alumni begging for a fundraising plan/strategy.  The president repeatedly reiterated it wasn't her job nor the athletic directors to fundraise for athletics, you know this.

When the deficit started to rise, it's still not as high as many of our peers in the MEAC, we went to her asking what's the plan?  She or staff never came up with one.  She just kept saying "they, the systems office and chancellor, want us back in D II."

We just have a president, who didn't want to put in the work. 

Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: EB on April 19, 2017, 07:49:38 AM
When Atlanta University was having problems around 1990, I remember radio and TV personality Allen 'Alley Pat' Patrick say that a president must be a professional beggar.  They must raise money for the school.  Eventually, the school merged with Clark College to become Clark Atlanta University.

If a school's president is not working hard to raise money for the school, then that is a huge problem.  While I am an outsider when it comes to the Georgia HBCUs, I have generations of family members who have graduated from at least four schools in the state.  I have heard a conversation or two including ones about the lawsuits in "integrating" the public HBCUs by in the late '80s and early '90s.  (Look at the articles on those suits.)  Attacks on the HBCUs are not new, an obvious statement.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: thatd@mnYOGI on April 19, 2017, 07:58:21 AM
The president repeatedly reiterated it wasn't her job nor the athletic directors to fundraise for athletics, you know this.

WTH?? Yea, you guys are better than us. You better not come to Fort Valley State with that BS about that's not your job to fundraise especially in athletics. Ask our last AD and see where he's at. This current one is going to learn too. The university isn't paying you to just manage athletics. You are there to fundraise as well and it doesn't mean looking for a hand-out from alumni. You will get cursed out if you run into the wrong alumni. Yea, your president has lost her darn mind with that statement. That was a red flag if I ever saw one.

that's all...   :no:
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: AimHigh on April 19, 2017, 08:18:49 AM
Uhm shouldn't this have happened a years ago :shrug: rallying just to "stay in the game" is hardly even a start for what is needed at D1. :tiptoe:

SSU belongs in D2 and I am glad your university is doing the right thing.

 :popcorn:

Schools with a base of support that is not doing what it takes to be D1 and blaming the President to do everything are NOT ready. SSU belongs in D2. Their leadership is doing the right thing just like WSSU.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Boomer on April 19, 2017, 08:45:37 AM
Since their leadership has granted this move, Is the CIAA an option???
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Ram55 on April 19, 2017, 08:48:10 AM
As more and more HBCUs drop down to DII and some DII drop to DIII this move won't seem like the end of the world. But being DI in name only and not really being able to compete is worth the move down. At least now they have a chance to compete, on almost fair terms, with similar schools. We cancelled our move, and  in a few years, played for the national championship. Now anything is possible for them.

Good luck, because life is not over, it's just beginning.  :nod:
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Jaimac on April 19, 2017, 09:08:01 AM
92 SSU

The problem is there was never any fundraising done by this administration despite pleas from alumni begging for a fundraising plan/strategy.  The president repeatedly reiterated it wasn't her job nor the athletic directors to fundraise for athletics, you know this.

When the deficit started to rise, it's still not as high as many of our peers in the MEAC, we went to her asking what's the plan?  She or staff never came up with one.  She just kept saying "they, the systems office and chancellor, want us back in D II."

We just have a president, who didn't want to put in the work. 


If these are Dozier's words and is her stance, she needs to be thrown over into the Marsh!   >:( 
She is suppose to be the primary champion for SSU in ALL of its facets.  If neither she nor the AD are raising $, the AD should be thrown over into the marsh with her. 

(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/f5/f5367173f5fde3a1af9f8fd0b6202636c99d37302ccc9e679cf114556ca00577.jpg)
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: SSUTigerFan on April 19, 2017, 10:05:00 AM
 :nod:
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: aggiehood08 on April 19, 2017, 10:24:54 AM
When Atlanta University was having problems around 1990, I remember radio and TV personality Allen 'Alley Pat' Patrick say that a president must be a professional beggar.  They must raise money for the school.  Eventually, the school merged with Clark College to become Clark Atlanta University.

If a school's president is not working hard to raise money for the school, then that is a huge problem.  While I am an outsider when it comes to the Georgia HBCUs, I have generations of family members who have graduated from at least four schools in the state.  I have heard a conversation or two including ones about the lawsuits in "integrating" the public HBCUs by in the late '80s and early '90s.  (Look at the articles on those suits.)  Attacks on the HBCUs are not new, an obvious statement.

Side note....Atlanta University was only a graduate school?
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: MilesBear1 on April 19, 2017, 10:45:44 AM
My Jesus.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: EB on April 19, 2017, 11:11:20 AM
When Atlanta University was having problems around 1990, I remember radio and TV personality Allen 'Alley Pat' Patrick say that a president must be a professional beggar.  They must raise money for the school.  Eventually, the school merged with Clark College to become Clark Atlanta University.

If a school's president is not working hard to raise money for the school, then that is a huge problem.  While I am an outsider when it comes to the Georgia HBCUs, I have generations of family members who have graduated from at least four schools in the state.  I have heard a conversation or two including ones about the lawsuits in "integrating" the public HBCUs by in the late '80s and early '90s.  (Look at the articles on those suits.)  Attacks on the HBCUs are not new, an obvious statement.

Side note....Atlanta University was only a graduate school?

Yes, it was.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Golden Kitten on April 19, 2017, 11:30:18 AM
I'm fairly certain Mr. Walker has been a financial supporter all along...  :nod:

A quite generous one at that. 

I know him and I know that is correct...on both the academic and athletic sides... :nod:
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Que82 on April 19, 2017, 11:50:34 AM
It just never ceases to amaze me how we as alumni always want to engage after the fact. :brickwall:  If there was so much concern about the program being D1 wallets should have been wide open a long time ago.  It is too late to read the instructions on a fire extinguisher after the house catches on fire. :shrug:
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: bluedog on April 19, 2017, 03:30:27 PM
It just never ceases to amaze me how we as alumni always want to engage after the fact. :brickwall:  If there was so much concern about the program being D1 wallets should have been wide open a long time ago.  It is too late to read the instructions on a fire extinguisher after the house catches on fire. :shrug:

 :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: 92 SSU on April 19, 2017, 03:40:31 PM
It just never ceases to amaze me how we as alumni always want to engage after the fact. :brickwall:  If there was so much concern about the program being D1 wallets should have been wide open a long time ago.  It is too late to read the instructions on a fire extinguisher after the house catches on fire. :shrug:

OK!

Jaimac,

Yes she did say it and the AD said screw the alumni and community.......And the majority of the ones that defended them are the d1 diehards. It's not everyone, but key people did. Fundraising is in both of their job descriptions to varying degrees. I know several who said they are wrong, but we still should not push them out. Such is the dysfunctional state of some SSU alum. I don't know of any school that would tolerate this.

This is what I mean when I say the original sin of moving up with no plan and not holding that pres accountable for anything and it still bites. It's 15 years later and some alum have not learned a thing. The same behavior patterns that encourage lack of performance still exists with some. When Mrs. Delta Sky miles went on her cool aid tour to meet alum she should of known when she walked into the door fundraising was a major requirement. It should be baked in the DNA of our schools. Her bio did not suggest this skillset existed so alum are to blame as well.

It's like they dumb themselves down for this. I think it was a Golden Tiger who told me years ago it's a mistake to assume an hbcu pres loves the institution they are running. For many it's just a playground and a fat check.

Some SSU alum must realize they don't work for and report to the administration.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Jaimac on April 19, 2017, 03:53:28 PM
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Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Jay_Thomas on April 19, 2017, 03:56:08 PM
Side note....Atlanta University was only a graduate school?

Yes but at one time they also had a football team in the early early days.
They were known as the CrimsenTide or so I was told.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Valley Girl on April 19, 2017, 09:38:52 PM
92 SSU]  The president repeatedly reiterated it wasn't her job nor the athletic directors to fundraise for athletics, you know this.



She actually looked people in the face and said that? 

(https://media.tenor.co/images/6ea8275b0dda1122bbacc474416d34da/tenor.gif)

Now as soon as she said THAT sh@t, operation GET RID OF HER should have been in full effect - she should have never even had the opportunity to say it more than once.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: 92 SSU on April 19, 2017, 10:50:17 PM
 :nod:

And Mrs. Delta Sky Miles is known to be quite dismissive when confronted with such topics. Why shouldn't she when she has a generation of alum to back her.

The saying we train people how to treat us.....
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: EB on April 20, 2017, 08:31:03 AM
Anyone who has worked in higher education knows that the president has to raise money.  It is their primary job.  Anyway, here is her bio. (http://www.savannahstate.edu/president/biography/index.shtml).
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Pirate12 on April 20, 2017, 02:14:21 PM
The bio is very, very laudatory with corny superficial praises-- almost like Hulk Hogan or Pretty Boy George being announced before entering the wrastling ring!

(https://www.pinterest.com/pin/226446687490891779/)

Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: 92 SSU on April 20, 2017, 04:53:34 PM
The bio is very, very laudatory with corny superficial praises-- almost like Hulk Hogan or Pretty Boy George being announced before entering the wrastling ring!

(https://www.pinterest.com/pin/226446687490891779/)



Lots of fluff but no real specific accomplishments directed by her hands. You should have read it pre-SSU. For someone with a 17 year career at UGA with a cabinet level position you would expect to see some major noteworthy accomplishments on her bio :no:
She was over Academic Affairs at Gwinnett Center....Where are her accomplishments?

For me it looks like someone who has gotten along babysitting in roles. HBCU alum should be looking for evidence of leadership skillsets that match the specific needs of your institution. For SSU that would be fundraising and academic growth among other things. Nothing in her bio suggested she would be fit to be president of ANY serious University.

She needs to be escorted to the edge of the Marsh. She would not make it past the initial screening of applicants for presidents for people looking to act in the best interest of their school. Why some want her gone only now when she had 6 previous years of incompetence is the root cause of what has hurt SSU. She is the symptom. At some point attention needs to turn to the attitudes and behaviors that got her hired in the first place. :tiptoe:
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: bluedog on April 20, 2017, 04:57:30 PM
92 SSU]  The president repeatedly reiterated it wasn't her job nor the athletic directors to fundraise for athletics, you know this.



She actually looked people in the face and said that? 

(https://media.tenor.co/images/6ea8275b0dda1122bbacc474416d34da/tenor.gif)

Now as soon as she said THAT sh@t, operation GET RID OF HER should have been in full effect - she should have never even had the opportunity to say it more than once.


WOW!
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: wsm on April 22, 2017, 01:42:13 PM
http://www.wtoc.com/story/35168851/ssu-officially-announces-move-to-reclassify-athletics-to-division-ii
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Conquero on April 22, 2017, 01:54:49 PM
The bio is very, very laudatory with corny superficial praises-- almost like Hulk Hogan or Pretty Boy George being announced before entering the wrastling ring!

(https://www.pinterest.com/pin/226446687490891779/)



Lots of fluff but no real specific accomplishments directed by her hands. You should have read it pre-SSU. For someone with a 17 year career at UGA with a cabinet level position you would expect to see some major noteworthy accomplishments on her bio :no:
She was over Academic Affairs at Gwinnett Center....Where are her accomplishments?

For me it looks like someone who has gotten along babysitting in roles. HBCU alum should be looking for evidence of leadership skillsets that match the specific needs of your institution. For SSU that would be fundraising and academic growth among other things. Nothing in her bio suggested she would be fit to be president of ANY serious University.

She needs to be escorted to the edge of the Marsh. She would not make it past the initial screening of applicants for presidents for people looking to act in the best interest of their school. Why some want her gone only now when she had 6 previous years of incompetence is the root cause of what has hurt SSU. She is the symptom. At some point attention needs to turn to the attitudes and behaviors that got her hired in the first place. :tiptoe:

Agreed!  Especially with the point relating to the cultural decision making of alums needing to change. 

As you know, I've been preaching for some years now trying to convince folks of the importance and need for SSU to have progressive leadership. 

Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Bro. Askia Musa Afiba on April 23, 2017, 03:23:55 PM
Hang In There With The MEAC SSU!

Good Luck!

Take Care!
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: eagle pride on April 23, 2017, 05:27:24 PM
http://www.wtoc.com/story/35168851/ssu-officially-announces-move-to-reclassify-athletics-to-division-ii




They really need to listen to the students and let them vote.  If yes, let them know that the fees must be raised higher.  Their fees are currently very low to be div. 1.   
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: SSUTigerFan on April 23, 2017, 05:39:55 PM
The Ga. Board of Regents are not going to allow SSU to raise the fees again.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: JBROB on April 23, 2017, 05:42:51 PM
Is Savannah State going to honor their scheduled games in the future?  Will the MEAC teams schedule an an extra game?
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: SSUTigerFan on April 23, 2017, 08:49:58 PM
From my sources we will play MEAC games the next two years.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: same ole mess on April 23, 2017, 09:26:20 PM
Great decision
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: aggiehood08 on April 24, 2017, 03:41:20 PM
http://www.wtoc.com/story/35168851/ssu-officially-announces-move-to-reclassify-athletics-to-division-ii




They really need to listen to the students and let them vote.  If yes, let them know that the fees must be raised higher.  Their fees are currently very low to be div. 1.   

That is good question, why are the students not allow to have a vote on continuing to stay D1 and raising there fees?
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: bluedog on April 24, 2017, 05:19:31 PM
Smh...
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: thatd@mnYOGI on April 24, 2017, 07:12:38 PM
That is good question, why are the students not allow to have a vote on continuing to stay D1 and raising there fees?


You all missed the point that was previous stated. I have stated it and you all continue to miss it. Let me scream it to you. THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM OF GEORGIA AKA THE BOARD OF REGIME WILL NOT FUND ATHLETICS AND WILL NOT INCREASE STUDENT ATHLETIC FEES. We are state schools and any student fee increase is approved by the BOARD OF REGIME. So, guess what, you will have to foot that bill for athletics, IF you want it. The state stopped it over a decade ago for assisting financially for athletic facilities at state campuses. Savannah State, as Fort Valley State and Albany State cannot and will not increase student athletic fees. That's why it is imperative that WE seriously fundraise when it comes to athletics. That's one reason why WE (Fort Valley State) are staying at Division II. We simply don't have the funds and we have bigger issues than athletics.

that's all...     :tiptoe:
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: eagle pride on April 24, 2017, 07:35:35 PM
That is good question, why are the students not allow to have a vote on continuing to stay D1 and raising there fees?


You all missed the point that was previous stated. I have stated it and you all continue to miss it. Let me scream it to you. THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM OF GEORGIA AKA THE BOARD OF REGIME WILL NOT FUND ATHLETICS AND WILL NOT INCREASE STUDENT ATHLETIC FEES. We are state schools and any student fee increase is approved by the BOARD OF REGIME. So, guess what, you will have to foot that bill for athletics, IF you want it. The state stopped it over a decade ago for assisting financially for athletic facilities at state campuses. Savannah State, as Fort Valley State and Albany State cannot and will not increase student athletic fees. That's why it is imperative that WE seriously fundraise when it comes to athletics. That's one reason why WE (Fort Valley State) are staying at Division II. We simply don't have the funds and we have bigger issues than athletics.

that's all...     :tiptoe:




So most of your PWCs similar to SSU have the same athletic fees?
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: ASURAMS07 on April 24, 2017, 08:12:04 PM
That is good question, why are the students not allow to have a vote on continuing to stay D1 and raising there fees?


You all missed the point that was previous stated. I have stated it and you all continue to miss it. Let me scream it to you. THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM OF GEORGIA AKA THE BOARD OF REGIME WILL NOT FUND ATHLETICS AND WILL NOT INCREASE STUDENT ATHLETIC FEES. We are state schools and any student fee increase is approved by the BOARD OF REGIME. So, guess what, you will have to foot that bill for athletics, IF you want it. The state stopped it over a decade ago for assisting financially for athletic facilities at state campuses. Savannah State, as Fort Valley State and Albany State cannot and will not increase student athletic fees. That's why it is imperative that WE seriously fundraise when it comes to athletics. That's one reason why WE (Fort Valley State) are staying at Division II. We simply don't have the funds and we have bigger issues than athletics.

that's all...     :tiptoe:




So most of your PWCs similar to SSU have the same athletic fees?

Most of the PWIs SSU size in GA are D2. Not D1...
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: eagle pride on April 24, 2017, 08:29:25 PM
[bMost of the PWIs SSU size in GA are D2. Not D1...
][/b]




I see.  Best wishes SSU!
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: 92 SSU on April 24, 2017, 08:53:25 PM
SSU historically have had among the highest athletic fees in the university system. In less than ten years SSU has requested and received two athletic fee increases. This should not even be discussed as an option. I may be wrong and corrected but I believe the SSU is comparable to a few in the MEAC on the low end.

I think it was the last fee increase that triggered the state to audit all system schools to see if they are operating in the right division. It mentioned SSU specifically racking up millions of dollars in debt since moving up to d1.



Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: eagle pride on April 24, 2017, 10:39:41 PM
SSU historically have had among the highest athletic fees in the university system. In less than ten years SSU has requested and received two athletic fee increases. This should not even be discussed as an option. I may be wrong and corrected but I believe the SSU is comparable to a few in the MEAC on the low end.

I think it was the last fee increase that triggered the state to audit all system schools to see if they are operating in the right division. It mentioned SSU specifically racking up millions of dollars in debt since moving up to d1.








Millions, wow. :shrug: 
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Conquero on April 25, 2017, 12:39:19 AM
SSU historically have had among the highest athletic fees in the university system. In less than ten years SSU has requested and received two athletic fee increases. This should not even be discussed as an option. I may be wrong and corrected but I believe the SSU is comparable to a few in the MEAC on the low end.

I think it was the last fee increase that triggered the state to audit all system schools to see if they are operating in the right division. It mentioned SSU specifically racking up millions of dollars in debt since moving up to d1.


Not really, the football operating schools in the MEAC athletic fees are much higher.  According to the AD at SSU the deficits at other MEAC schools and Kennesaw and Georgia State are higher than SSU's deficit, as well. 

The audits was a result of a political move in the State to censor and control who all will be Division I in this State.  The first audits came about nearly 4 or 5 years ago.  Then the State legislature enacted a bill to slow down any public information related to public institutions athletic finances. 

See:

http://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/bill-would-slow-access-records-for-uga-other-athletic-departments/13KJITSWjJQuDrxoMFednL/

This ploy against SSU is bigger than athletics. 
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Conquero on April 25, 2017, 12:41:12 AM
http://www.wtoc.com/story/35168851/ssu-officially-announces-move-to-reclassify-athletics-to-division-ii




They really need to listen to the students and let them vote.  If yes, let them know that the fees must be raised higher.  Their fees are currently very low to be div. 1.   

That is good question, why are the students not allow to have a vote on continuing to stay D1 and raising there fees?

I agree.  Why shouldn't the students have a say and what direction they would like to see their University go in athletically?  Even if means a referendum to raise their own fees to be on par with other football playing MEAC schools. 

Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: 92 SSU on April 25, 2017, 03:58:17 AM
It would be nice to see how the SSU fee stacks up to other MEAC schools in the South. But once again this could have all been fleshed out and avoided if alumni wanted a plan when moving up instead of winging it. Now over 15 years later we want to revisit student fees again. Kinda late at the end of the party to ask for a date to the dance. I thought since the SSU fee was so high in the state alum were done with this. Now that the door is closing on d1 I guess we will evolve (flip flop) on this one. The student fee/budget debate is happening all over America even in states that don't have HBCUs. In an era when much of the nation was caught up in a populous movement that was in part driven by the idea of lowering the cost of education I don't think student fees will be part of the solution.



At what point would it stop. Student fees should not be used to mask the dysfunction of what has occurred. SSU should have been responsible for doing it's part with a well thought out plan to fundraise, grow enrollment etc.

When comparing deficits in the state it would also be usful to know other pertinent information such as how their budgets are set up and if they have raised other forms of money to deal with it. SSU folks have not. Are other schools like Kennesaw paying coaches out of academic sources like SSU attempted.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: bluedog on April 25, 2017, 03:58:29 AM
That is good question, why are the students not allow to have a vote on continuing to stay D1 and raising there fees?


You all missed the point that was previous stated. I have stated it and you all continue to miss it. Let me scream it to you. THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM OF GEORGIA AKA THE BOARD OF REGIME WILL NOT FUND ATHLETICS AND WILL NOT INCREASE STUDENT ATHLETIC FEES. We are state schools and any student fee increase is approved by the BOARD OF REGIME. So, guess what, you will have to foot that bill for athletics, IF you want it. The state stopped it over a decade ago for assisting financially for athletic facilities at state campuses. Savannah State, as Fort Valley State and Albany State cannot and will not increase student athletic fees. That's why it is imperative that WE seriously fundraise when it comes to athletics. That's one reason why WE (Fort Valley State) are staying at Division II. We simply don't have the funds and we have bigger issues than athletics.

that's all...     :tiptoe:


 :popcorn:
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: bluedog on April 25, 2017, 04:16:00 AM
It would be nice to see how the SSU fee stacks up to other MEAC schools in the South. But once again this could have all been fleshed out and avoided if alumni wanted a plan when moving up instead of winging it. Now over 15 years later we want to revisit student fees again. Kinda late at the end of the party to ask for a date to the dance. I thought since the SSU fee was so high in the state alum were done with this. Now that the door is closing on d1 I guess we will evolve (flip flop) on this one. The student fee/budget debate is happening all over America even in states that don't have HBCUs. In an era when much of the nation was caught up in a populous movement that was in part driven by the idea of lowering the cost of education I don't think student fees will be part of the solution.



At what point would it stop. Student fees should not be used to mask the dysfunction of what has occurred. SSU should have been responsible for doing it's part with a well thought out plan to fundraise, grow enrollment etc.

When comparing deficits in the state it would also be usful to know other pertinent information such as how their budgets are set up and if they have raised other forms of money to deal with it. SSU folks have not. Are other schools like Kennesaw paying coaches out of academic sources like SSU attempted.

Link to the source from the gazillion and one time this discussion was had.

Find your school click on its name to see info.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Conquero on April 25, 2017, 07:19:22 AM
92 SSU
I think the question posed by aggiehood was whether the students should have a say and determine whether they want to impose higher fees themselves in order to remain.

For the record I agree that alum should have nothing to do with a decision like that.  But the question was posed as it relates to student input... Today... 2017.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: aggiehood08 on April 25, 2017, 10:34:31 AM
That is good question, why are the students not allow to have a vote on continuing to stay D1 and raising there fees?


You all missed the point that was previous stated. I have stated it and you all continue to miss it. Let me scream it to you. THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM OF GEORGIA AKA THE BOARD OF REGIME WILL NOT FUND ATHLETICS AND WILL NOT INCREASE STUDENT ATHLETIC FEES. We are state schools and any student fee increase is approved by the BOARD OF REGIME. So, guess what, you will have to foot that bill for athletics, IF you want it. The state stopped it over a decade ago for assisting financially for athletic facilities at state campuses. Savannah State, as Fort Valley State and Albany State cannot and will not increase student athletic fees. That's why it is imperative that WE seriously fundraise when it comes to athletics. That's one reason why WE (Fort Valley State) are staying at Division II. We simply don't have the funds and we have bigger issues than athletics.

that's all...     :tiptoe:

I complete understand what you said.....but has anybody as the questions: Why is The Board of Regime will not increase fees? and Have The Board of Regime asked the students what they want?
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: aggiehood08 on April 25, 2017, 11:19:43 AM
I have attached the Fees from the University System of Georgia. Currently, Savannah State is the highest of the System at $300 but that not far away from Georgia State ($275), Kennesaw State($221), and Georgia Southern ($214)

http://www.usg.edu/assets/fiscal_affairs/documents/tuition_and_fees/FY2018_Mandatory_Fees.pdf (http://www.usg.edu/assets/fiscal_affairs/documents/tuition_and_fees/FY2018_Mandatory_Fees.pdf)
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: 92 SSU on April 25, 2017, 12:39:31 PM
I have attached the Fees from the University System of Georgia. Currently, Savannah State is the highest of the System at $300 but that not far away from Georgia State ($275), Kennesaw State($221), and Georgia Southern ($214)

http://www.usg.edu/assets/fiscal_affairs/documents/tuition_and_fees/FY2018_Mandatory_Fees.pdf (http://www.usg.edu/assets/fiscal_affairs/documents/tuition_and_fees/FY2018_Mandatory_Fees.pdf)

Good info. It's already the highest. From what I thought ( I may be wrong and corrected) students were involved in both decisions since 2010. To go back again is going to be a non starter. In the case of SSU this is a mask, a delay tactic to avoid the bad decisions and ineptness in doing the hard work SSU has never done. You can't honorably run a school continuously using student fees like this. Everytime the enrollment goes down you will have people running to this same pool. It will never end.

The funny thing is some of the same people advocating for increasing student fees roasted the admin which used the first student fee increase to upgrade the stadium and build the non revenue spring sports stadiums. This "technically" increased our budgets short term to meet some MEAC stipulations.

Some of the same forces roasted the current admin for obtaining the second fee increase to no end. Now, all of a sudden evolution seems to be working it's magic again. SSU certainly has fights ahead but folks need to fight smart and take on the right fights while remaining credible.

It would be interesting to see what the public MEAC schools in close proximity to SSU have for athletic fees. I thought when looking this up SCSU and FAMU had very comparable athletic fees?
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: thatd@mnYOGI on April 25, 2017, 12:53:49 PM
I complete understand what you said.....but has anybody as the questions: Why is The Board of Regime will not increase fees? and Have The Board of Regime asked the students what they want?

This should answer your question. Again, the BOARD OF REGIME did not want to put more on the average college student in the state of Georgia and they were getting out of the athletics business. IF YOU WANT ATHLETICS, you will have to fund it yourselves. They want the universities to FUND IT EXTERNALLY. No, they don't have to ask the students what they want. They see this as a way to help the students cost.

READ THIS ARTICLE:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/georgia-student-fees-cap-sports_us_5734aaffe4b08f96c1825fca

Quote
4.5.1 Purpose
Participation in and enjoyment of intercollegiate athletics are important components of the overall collegiate experience and also provide valuable benefits to the communities in which universities and colleges are located. The Board of Regents of the University System of Georgia is committed to promoting such participation and opportunities within the mission, values, and
goals of each USG institution. However, decisions made with respect to athletic programs may have significant financial implications for the institutions, and, subsequently, affordability for USG students. These programs must be operated in an ethically and fiscally responsible manner consistent with the rules, regulations, and principles of the national intercollegiate athletic associations and the conferences with which the institutions are affiliated (BoR minutes, March 2013).


that's all...   :tiptoe:
 
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Conquero on April 25, 2017, 12:55:01 PM
I have attached the Fees from the University System of Georgia. Currently, Savannah State is the highest of the System at $300 but that not far away from Georgia State ($275), Kennesaw State($221), and Georgia Southern ($214)

http://www.usg.edu/assets/fiscal_affairs/documents/tuition_and_fees/FY2018_Mandatory_Fees.pdf (http://www.usg.edu/assets/fiscal_affairs/documents/tuition_and_fees/FY2018_Mandatory_Fees.pdf)

Good info. It's already the highest. From what I thought ( I may be wrong and corrected) students were involved in both decisions since 2010. To go back again is going to be a non starter. In the case of SSU this is a mask, a delay tactic to avoid the bad decisions and ineptness in doing the hard work SSU has never done. You can't honorably run a school continuously using student fees like this. Everytime the enrollment goes down you will have people running to this same pool. It will never end.

The funny thing is some of the same people advocating for increasing student fees roasted the admin which used the first student fee increase to upgrade the stadium and build the non revenue spring sports stadiums. This "technically" increased our budgets short term to meet some MEAC stipulations.

Some of the same forces roasted the current admin for obtaining the second fee increase to no end. Now, all of a sudden evolution seems to be working it's magic again. SSU certainly has fights ahead but folks need to fight smart and take on the right fights while remaining credible.

It would be interesting to see what the public MEAC schools in close proximity to SSU have for athletic fees. I thought when looking this up SCSU and FAMU had very comparable athletic fees?

What alumni ever opposed a hike in the student athletic fee for the building of the new athletic facilities or to support D I???  Most of the folks who support Division I today, have always advocated a higher student athletic fee, and have recognized that SSU athletic fee is much lower than other MEAC schools.  I can speak for myself and some of the others advocating the PLAN, and say that in good faith.

I think SCSU's is much higher at over $2000.00 annually.  FAMU's is higher than SSU's as well.  I think the lowest in the MEAC other than SSU is NCCU, which is around mid 700's per semester, but even that more than double ours.

In addition, with both SCSU and FAMU having their own governing boards they can always pull from other institutional sources to support athletics.  SSU being governed by the BOR we don't have that flexibility.  So their subsidies are much higher whether in student athletic fees or other institutional support such as auxiliaries, and/or other operating budgets.  
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Conquero on April 25, 2017, 01:03:42 PM
I'm not saying that a hike in student athletic fees is either right or wrong.  I truly don't believe that is something that the alumni should determine.  I do, however, believe that the students should have some input and weigh in on the direction their institutions should go.

I also believe that the President's position that it is not her job to have a plan for athletics, or raise funds for athletics is fundamentally unsound, discouraging, and just plain silly.  This doesn't help when all of your stakeholders want to maintain the course of Division I and is willing to support a plan to do so, if the President just had come up with something viable to support, or even support the viable PLAN that is out there.

SSU stakeholders saw firsthand the benefits of MEAC and DI affiliation on our campus, and that can't be ignored.  There are institutions that have won year after year the SIAC championship in football and other sports, but saw no ROI (return on investment) in their student population's growth, diversity, etc.  As a matter of fact, they've seen decline as perennial powers in the SIAC year in and year out.


Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: aggiehood08 on April 25, 2017, 01:20:00 PM
I complete understand what you said.....but has anybody as the questions: Why is The Board of Regime will not increase fees? and Have The Board of Regime asked the students what they want?

This should answer your question. Again, the BOARD OF REGIME did not want to put more on the average college student in the state of Georgia and they were getting out of the athletics business. IF YOU WANT ATHLETICS, you will have to fund it yourselves. They want the universities to FUND IT EXTERNALLY. No, they don't have to ask the students what they want. They see this as a way to help the students cost.

READ THIS ARTICLE:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/georgia-student-fees-cap-sports_us_5734aaffe4b08f96c1825fca

Quote
4.5.1 Purpose
Participation in and enjoyment of intercollegiate athletics are important components of the overall collegiate experience and also provide valuable benefits to the communities in which universities and colleges are located. The Board of Regents of the University System of Georgia is committed to promoting such participation and opportunities within the mission, values, and
goals of each USG institution. However, decisions made with respect to athletic programs may have significant financial implications for the institutions, and, subsequently, affordability for USG students. These programs must be operated in an ethically and fiscally responsible manner consistent with the rules, regulations, and principles of the national intercollegiate athletic associations and the conferences with which the institutions are affiliated (BoR minutes, March 2013).


that's all...   :tiptoe:
 

So the students have not be asked and what you are saying is that they will not be asked because we know what best for you?
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: thatd@mnYOGI on April 25, 2017, 03:20:46 PM
So the students have not be asked and what you are saying is that they will not be asked because we know what best for you?

Exactly, because if that was the case, then there would not be any mergers. The students can protest and holler to the heavens. The BOARD OF REGIME controls things unless you have some clout in the good ol boy system, you are on the lower end of the totem pole.

that's all... 
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Jay_Thomas on April 25, 2017, 03:52:46 PM
The BOARD OF REGIME controls things unless you have some clout in the good ol boy system, you are on the lower end of the totem pole.

that's all... 

.....and thats it in a nutshell, folks.  :tongue2:
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: bluedog on April 25, 2017, 04:25:58 PM
I have attached the Fees from the University System of Georgia. Currently, Savannah State is the highest of the System at $300 but that not far away from Georgia State ($275), Kennesaw State($221), and Georgia Southern ($214)

http://www.usg.edu/assets/fiscal_affairs/documents/tuition_and_fees/FY2018_Mandatory_Fees.pdf (http://www.usg.edu/assets/fiscal_affairs/documents/tuition_and_fees/FY2018_Mandatory_Fees.pdf)


That doesn't remotely tell the whole story.  Up until a few years SSU students fees were responsible for half the school athletic revenue.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: 92 SSU on April 25, 2017, 04:50:33 PM
The BOARD OF REGIME controls things unless you have some clout in the good ol boy system, you are on the lower end of the totem pole.

that's all...  


.....and thats it in a nutshell, folks.  :tongue2:

And don't underestimate the role in voting against yourself for people like the Armstrong state folks. Gov Nathan Deal has made mergers a conerstone of his agenda. He controls the regents. The Armstrong base is the type that votes for him so gotcha.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: aggiehood08 on April 25, 2017, 04:52:06 PM
I have attached the Fees from the University System of Georgia. Currently, Savannah State is the highest of the System at $300 but that not far away from Georgia State ($275), Kennesaw State($221), and Georgia Southern ($214)

http://www.usg.edu/assets/fiscal_affairs/documents/tuition_and_fees/FY2018_Mandatory_Fees.pdf (http://www.usg.edu/assets/fiscal_affairs/documents/tuition_and_fees/FY2018_Mandatory_Fees.pdf)


That doesn't remotely tell the whole story.  Up until a few years SSU students fees were responsible for half the school athletic revenue.


What changed at SSU because it looks like their revenues jumped dramatically


YEAR   TICKET SALES   CONTRIBUTIONS   RIGHTS / LICENSING   STUDENT FEES   SCHOOL FUNDS   OTHER   TOTAL REVENUES
2015   $167,208   $84,119   $405,494   $2,898,486   $988,625   $1,557,027   $6,100,959
2014   $170,506   $87,408   $327,534   $2,854,622   $1,187,838   $1,405,956   $6,033,864
2013   $57,264   $78,128   $130,942   $2,627,609   $3,047,341   $1,563,988   $7,505,272
2012   $156,985   $78,128   $153,405   $2,615,261   $2,914,463   $1,024,082   $6,942,324
2011   $29,308   $300,453   $210,943   $2,315,562   $2,906,000   $911,192   $6,673,458
2010   $556,389   $36,000   $169,903   $1,574,368   $1,193,254   $515,119   $4,045,033
2009   $54,208   $16,000   $161,666   $1,408,499   $1,273,254   $446,830   $3,360,457
2008   $45,890   $76,100   $155,564   $1,239,152   $510,202   $419,534   $2,446,442
2007   $53,786   $92,000   $128,283   $1,289,407   $413,343   $670,253   $2,647,072
2006   $56,787   $0   $184,043   $1,241,803   $386,912   $541,749   $2,411,294
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: bluedog on April 25, 2017, 05:05:09 PM
I have attached the Fees from the University System of Georgia. Currently, Savannah State is the highest of the System at $300 but that not far away from Georgia State ($275), Kennesaw State($221), and Georgia Southern ($214)

http://www.usg.edu/assets/fiscal_affairs/documents/tuition_and_fees/FY2018_Mandatory_Fees.pdf (http://www.usg.edu/assets/fiscal_affairs/documents/tuition_and_fees/FY2018_Mandatory_Fees.pdf)


That doesn't remotely tell the whole story.  Up until a few years SSU students fees were responsible for half the school athletic revenue.


What changed at SSU because it looks like their revenues jumped dramatically


YEAR   TICKET SALES   CONTRIBUTIONS   RIGHTS / LICENSING   STUDENT FEES   SCHOOL FUNDS   OTHER   TOTAL REVENUES
2015   $167,208   $84,119   $405,494   $2,898,486   $988,625   $1,557,027   $6,100,959
2014   $170,506   $87,408   $327,534   $2,854,622   $1,187,838   $1,405,956   $6,033,864
2013   $57,264   $78,128   $130,942   $2,627,609   $3,047,341   $1,563,988   $7,505,272
2012   $156,985   $78,128   $153,405   $2,615,261   $2,914,463   $1,024,082   $6,942,324
2011   $29,308   $300,453   $210,943   $2,315,562   $2,906,000   $911,192   $6,673,458
2010   $556,389   $36,000   $169,903   $1,574,368   $1,193,254   $515,119   $4,045,033
2009   $54,208   $16,000   $161,666   $1,408,499   $1,273,254   $446,830   $3,360,457
2008   $45,890   $76,100   $155,564   $1,239,152   $510,202   $419,534   $2,446,442
2007   $53,786   $92,000   $128,283   $1,289,407   $413,343   $670,253   $2,647,072
2006   $56,787   $0   $184,043   $1,241,803   $386,912   $541,749   $2,411,294


Um....becoming a full fledged FCS member of the meac conference with TV revenue and licensing.  It's all right there.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: 92 SSU on April 25, 2017, 05:31:51 PM
I'm not saying that a hike in student athletic fees is either right or wrong.  I truly don't believe that is something that the alumni should determine.  I do, however, believe that the students should have some input and weigh in on the direction their institutions should go.

I also believe that the President's position that it is not her job to have a plan for athletics, or raise funds for athletics is fundamentally unsound, discouraging, and just plain silly.  This doesn't help when all of your stakeholders want to maintain the course of Division I and is willing to support a plan to do so, if the President just had come up with something viable to support, or even support the viable PLAN that is out there.

SSU stakeholders saw firsthand the benefits of MEAC and DI affiliation on our campus, and that can't be ignored.  There are institutions that have won year after year the SIAC championship in football and other sports, but saw no ROI (return on investment) in their student population's growth, diversity, etc.  As a matter of fact, they've seen decline as perennial powers in the SIAC year in and year out.




I think there are obvious benefits to being in a conference as opposed to being a HBCU independent. People keep touting enrollment. We are in d1 and enrollment is up so it must be because we are D1.....It does not work that way. Unless you have seen and understand the full enrollment profile data over time I would be very cautious in making comparisons to SIAC folks.

People can't just cherry pick a data point and say this is true cause we want it to be. This topic has been researched extensively. With enrollment growing in d1 there is a direct correlation with significant increases in academic standing, avg gpa, avg SAT/ACT, increased retention and graduation rates. Has SSU increased significantly in these areas? Has SSU declined? In addition there are a number of college rankings polls from various sources....Some ridiculous and some highly respected. Where does SSU typically fall in these polls compared to it's MEAC counterparts. Better yet since we are talking d1 benefit where does SSU fall in these polls compared to traditional siac powers FVSU and Albany? I've been watching them for years. If there is one thing SSU folks should have learned by now it would be to stop drawing negative comparisons to SIAC peers.

Beyond these data points related to enrollment you have to consider the housing Renaissance that occurred at SSU. Nearly 7 years ago I toured every housing facility under contruction and reviewed the renovations to each of the older housing units. This is another factor in enrollment...How much modern available housing you have. This construction boom was born out of the 90s housing protest and was unrelated to d1 classification.

We have to start applying all the facts instead if emotions to our decision making. We need to fight the right battles with facts.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: thatd@mnYOGI on April 25, 2017, 08:22:05 PM
Conquero, I have to disagree with you that athletics is the cause of our enrollment. That's false. Even when were winning our enrollment didn't get close to 4,000. It hovered between 2,500-3,500 during that span. Our problems was MUCH bigger after the retirement of Dr. Oscar Prater. We've had administrative turnover and financial mismanagement.

that's all...
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: 92 SSU on April 25, 2017, 09:44:51 PM
Conquero, I have to disagree with you that athletics is the cause of our enrollment. That's false. Even when were winning our enrollment didn't get close to 4,000. It hovered between 2,500-3,500 during that span. Our problems was MUCH bigger after the retirement of Dr. Oscar Prater. We've had administrative turnover and financial mismanagement.

that's all...

I think it's the same case with Albany as well. There have been some issues to affect enrollment. Trying to connect winning in d2 SIAC and having enrollment issues does not have a direct correlation to each other.

Heck, the opposite occurred for SSU starting in the late 80s when football started winning while in the SIAC into the 90s. Winning and big enrollment gains occurred at the same.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Conquero on April 26, 2017, 04:48:15 AM
Conquero, I have to disagree with you that athletics is the cause of our enrollment. That's false. Even when were winning our enrollment didn't get close to 4,000. It hovered between 2,500-3,500 during that span. Our problems was MUCH bigger after the retirement of Dr. Oscar Prater. We've had administrative turnover and financial mismanagement.

that's all...

No.  I agree with you.  I was trying to say precisely what you said. Even consistent winning in the SIAC has not equated to a great ROI, in relation to enrollment growth, etc.  I think we are saying the same thing.  And Yogi, I also agree that Dr. Prater had the right formula academically and athletically.  They don't make them like that anymore.

As it relates to the housing comment, Yogi perhaps you can attest to this, but new housing doesn't always equate to enrollment growth.  All three HBCU's in Georgia improved housing master plans significantly and so did Armstrong and it didn't lead to enrollment growths.
 
All institutions aren't the same so I think the formula might be different for us all.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: thatd@mnYOGI on April 26, 2017, 08:27:24 AM
Conquero, well, there were some faults to Dr. Prater during his tenure and that came to light after the death of his wife, but he comes from the school Dr. Harvey up in Hampton when meshing athletic success with academic progress. He knew how to balance the two. Actually, housing doesn't equate to enrollment growth especially if you don't have the beds filled with students. It becomes an extra bill that the university has to take on with empty buildings on campus. This has been an ongoing discussion about that with our alumni and the university administration. You have to have a certain number of students to fill those and try to keep students on campus. Luckily, our old dormitories will be demolished after next weekend's Spring Commencement. So, that eyesore will be removed and hopefully, will make way for more green space and other future academic buildings. The only housing we will have are the new ones and maybe one or two of the old dorms. There are many alums that are upset by this move, but they fail to realize that leaving those on the campus becomes an eyesore and the upkeep is costly for them to just be sitting there empty. Yes, I am going to miss those old dorms and the memories, but in order for us to move our university forward and to attract the students of this generation, we have to continue to be forward thinking on the space that can be utilized for more academic and social opportunities. And isn't that the reason a decade ago we sought for new housing. That was the purpose.

But, all three state HBCUs have new housing, we just have to be mindful that it cost us money with those beds being empty. And I think all of us have some sort of bond on them that we are paying which it makes the cost more difficult, if we haven't paid them off.

that's all... 
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: punchy on April 26, 2017, 08:59:23 AM
The BOARD OF REGIME controls things unless you have some clout in the good ol boy system, you are on the lower end of the totem pole.

that's all... 

.....and thats it in a nutshell, folks.  :tongue2:

Does he mean BOARD of REGENTS or BOARD of REGIME? What is REGIME?
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Rams3 on April 26, 2017, 09:01:41 AM
It's the Board of Regents, but he's being Sarcastic. They have a State Board that are DICTATORS IN EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: 92 SSU on April 26, 2017, 09:38:03 AM
Conquero, well, there were some faults to Dr. Prater during his tenure and that came to light after the death of his wife, but he comes from the school Dr. Harvey up in Hampton when meshing athletic success with academic progress. He knew how to balance the two. Actually, housing doesn't equate to enrollment growth especially if you don't have the beds filled with students. It becomes an extra bill that the university has to take on with empty buildings on campus. This has been an ongoing discussion about that with our alumni and the university administration. You have to have a certain number of students to fill those and try to keep students on campus. Luckily, our old dormitories will be demolished after next weekend's Spring Commencement. So, that eyesore will be removed and hopefully, will make way for more green space and other future academic buildings. The only housing we will have are the new ones and maybe one or two of the old dorms. There are many alums that are upset by this move, but they fail to realize that leaving those on the campus becomes an eyesore and the upkeep is costly for them to just be sitting there empty. Yes, I am going to miss those old dorms and the memories, but in order for us to move our university forward and to attract the students of this generation, we have to continue to be forward thinking on the space that can be utilized for more academic and social opportunities. And isn't that the reason a decade ago we sought for new housing. That was the purpose.

But, all three state HBCUs have new housing, we just have to be mindful that it cost us money with those beds being empty. And I think all of us have some sort of bond on them that we are paying which it makes the cost more difficult, if we haven't paid them off.

that's all... 

Very interesting background. Some of the same mindset involving progress exists at all three state HBCUs.

In terms of enrollment growth new housing is a key factor but of course it's not the only one. If you're trying to grow it is an obvious asset but it has to be backed with competent work in other areas. That's why SSU enrollment has been in a holding status for several years with the current administration.

It's also why you can't cherry pick enrollment at SSU and relate it to d1 status without data to back it up. Studies clearly show highly successful d1 moves correlate to academic gains. SSU does not qualify because it has not be highly or moderately successful on the field OVER ALL. It's not even debatable to unbiased people. Then the academic profile data does not back up the correlation to enrollment argument.

I do think much of this falls at the feet of the current president who inherited a lot to work with. She enolls freshman classes the size of schools twice as large as SSU, yet she can't retain enough of them to move the needle. She seems to completely not understand how a healthy academic/athletic admin focus can help SSU.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: thatd@mnYOGI on April 26, 2017, 10:46:12 AM
It's the Board of Regents, but he's being Sarcastic. They have a State Board that are DICTATORSIN EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD.

Exactly, Rams3. Punchy, I have been calling them the BOARD OF REGIME for decades now since Chancellor Portch resigned in the late '90s. The University System of Georgia, the Board of Regents, is a joke and a good ole boy system in the state that only assist those they represent with assistance by the Governor's office.

that's all...
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: 92 SSU on April 26, 2017, 04:56:24 PM
Portch was the last decent one.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Conquero on April 26, 2017, 07:41:02 PM
Portch was the last decent one.

92SSU

Stephen Portch?  

I agree.  Although I think Huckaby had a soft spot for us, it's just the political climate.  

Truth be told I believe the original plan was for mergers in both Albany and Savannah to benefit the HBCU's.  

Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Que82 on April 26, 2017, 08:06:04 PM
(https://memecrunch.com/meme/8Y3BY/never-ending-thread/image.jpg?w=400&c=1)

Since SSU has already announced dropping to D2, I'm not sure what's left to discuss in this thread.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: LULions on April 27, 2017, 12:51:44 PM
(https://memecrunch.com/meme/8Y3BY/never-ending-thread/image.jpg?w=400&c=1)

Since SSU has already announced dropping to D2, I'm not sure what's left to discuss in this thread.  :shrug:

You read my mind Que82.  Time to shut it down, the decision was already made.   :nod:
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: MilesBear1 on April 27, 2017, 02:05:47 PM
Right,but from reading Yogi's and Conquero's Comments on how the Board of Regents uses their Iron Claw in Georgia I have gotten educated on some of the behind the scene action from the BOR. However, I am hoping that SSU will return home to the SIAC and renew old rivalries and start new ones. Our Conference is slowly getting back to the old days. Hopefully our SIAC Administration is working on this and offering open arms for their return home. :nod: When SSU and Morris Brown left the Late Wallace Jackson was at the helm of the SIAC the Founder of the Pioneer Bowl. :nod: 
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: punchy on April 27, 2017, 02:17:55 PM
It's the Board of Regents, but he's being Sarcastic. They have a State Board that are DICTATORSIN EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD.

Exactly, Rams3. Punchy, I have been calling them the BOARD OF REGIME for decades now since Chancellor Portch resigned in the late '90s. The University System of Georgia, the Board of Regents, is a joke and a good ole boy system in the state that only assist those they represent with assistance by the Governor's office.

that's all...

Cool, because I was so confused! I was looking up "Board of Regime, and couldn't find nothing even close! LOL!  :lol: :lmao: :lol:
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: MilesBear1 on April 27, 2017, 02:20:44 PM
  :snicker :snicker:lol: :lol: :lol: :lmao: :lmao:
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Que82 on April 27, 2017, 09:51:48 PM
Right,but from reading Yogi's and Conquero's Comments on how the Board of Regents uses their Iron Claw in Georgia I have gotten educated on some of the behind the scene action from the BOR. However, I am hoping that SSU will return home to the SIAC and renew old rivalries and start new ones. Our Conference is slowly getting back to the old days. Hopefully our SIAC Administration is working on this and offering open arms for their return home. :nod: When SSU and Morris Brown left the Late Wallace Jackson was at the helm of the SIAC the Founder of the Pioneer Bowl. :nod: 
Glad you learned something but start a thread about the board and let the title "Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I"  die.  This was like a young Mike Tyson's fight you blink and the dayum fight is over. :shrug:
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: MilesBear1 on April 28, 2017, 10:30:27 AM
Well most of us is on the outside looking in and the ones who are on the inside looking out is educating us on how things are. So let them expressed their feelings about the matter. :nod:
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: wsm on April 28, 2017, 12:22:47 PM
Right,but from reading Yogi's and Conquero's Comments on how the Board of Regents uses their Iron Claw in Georgia I have gotten educated on some of the behind the scene action from the BOR. However, I am hoping that SSU will return home to the SIAC and renew old rivalries and start new ones. Our Conference is slowly getting back to the old days. Hopefully our SIAC Administration is working on this and offering open arms for their return home. :nod: When SSU and Morris Brown left the Late Wallace Jackson was at the helm of the SIAC the Founder of the Pioneer Bowl. :nod: 
Glad you learned something but start a thread about the board and let the title "Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I"  die.  This was like a young Mike Tyson's fight you blink and the dayum fight is over. :shrug:

is anybody putting a gun to your head and forcing you to read this thread?
 :no:
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: eagle pride on April 28, 2017, 03:36:36 PM
Right,but from reading Yogi's and Conquero's Comments on how the Board of Regents uses their Iron Claw in Georgia I have gotten educated on some of the behind the scene action from the BOR. However, I am hoping that SSU will return home to the SIAC and renew old rivalries and start new ones. Our Conference is slowly getting back to the old days. Hopefully our SIAC Administration is working on this and offering open arms for their return home. :nod: When SSU and Morris Brown left the Late Wallace Jackson was at the helm of the SIAC the Founder of the Pioneer Bowl. :nod: 
Glad you learned something but start a thread about the board and let the title "Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I"  die.  This was like a young Mike Tyson's fight you blink and the dayum fight is over. :shrug:

is anybody putting a gun to your head and forcing you to read this thread?
 :no:




I said the same thing, no one is putting a gun to their heads to read it.  I am listening SSU fam!
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: SSUTigerFan on April 28, 2017, 04:31:23 PM
Right,but from reading Yogi's and Conquero's Comments on how the Board of Regents uses their Iron Claw in Georgia I have gotten educated on some of the behind the scene action from the BOR. However, I am hoping that SSU will return home to the SIAC and renew old rivalries and start new ones. Our Conference is slowly getting back to the old days. Hopefully our SIAC Administration is working on this and offering open arms for their return home. :nod: When SSU and Morris Brown left the Late Wallace Jackson was at the helm of the SIAC the Founder of the Pioneer Bowl. :nod: 
Glad you learned something but start a thread about the board and let the title "Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I"  die.  This was like a young Mike Tyson's fight you blink and the dayum fight is over. :shrug:

is anybody putting a gun to your head and forcing you to read this thread?
  :snicker
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Conquero on April 28, 2017, 04:45:18 PM
Right,but from reading Yogi's and Conquero's Comments on how the Board of Regents uses their Iron Claw in Georgia I have gotten educated on some of the behind the scene action from the BOR. However, I am hoping that SSU will return home to the SIAC and renew old rivalries and start new ones. Our Conference is slowly getting back to the old days. Hopefully our SIAC Administration is working on this and offering open arms for their return home. :nod: When SSU and Morris Brown left the Late Wallace Jackson was at the helm of the SIAC the Founder of the Pioneer Bowl. :nod: 
Glad you learned something but start a thread about the board and let the title "Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I"  die.  This was like a young Mike Tyson's fight you blink and the dayum fight is over. :shrug:

is anybody putting a gun to your head and forcing you to read this thread?
  :snicker

 :lol:
I'm saying.  We ain't got no lawsuit money over hear in Georgia, so our fights to remain where we are will be much tougher.  But like said, if you are tired of the thread, leave it.  It isn't quite over yet.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: 92 SSU on April 28, 2017, 05:10:55 PM
It's going on and on but we need to exercise our options to read or not read.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: MilesBear1 on April 28, 2017, 05:26:58 PM
Right 92. :nod:
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: SSUTigerFan on April 28, 2017, 05:28:46 PM
 :snicker
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: MilesBear1 on April 28, 2017, 05:29:07 PM
Right WSM. :nod:
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: G-Ram on April 28, 2017, 06:16:49 PM
Y'all better leave those Ques alone. Y'all know they don't play. :kisses:
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Que82 on April 28, 2017, 07:00:16 PM
It's going on and on but we need to exercise our options to read or not read.
We also need to exercise our right to post our opinion about a thread beating a dead horse.  Those of you who don't like that know exactly what you can do and good luck on fighting to stay D1. ::)
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Conquero on April 29, 2017, 07:57:52 AM
It's going on and on but we need to exercise our options to read or not read.
We also need to exercise our right to post our opinion about a thread beating a dead horse.  Those of you who don't like that know exactly what you can do and good luck on fighting to stay D1. ::)

Still here.   :shrug:
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Que82 on April 29, 2017, 08:14:53 AM
It's going on and on but we need to exercise our options to read or not read.
We also need to exercise our right to post our opinion about a thread beating a dead horse.  Those of you who don't like that know exactly what you can do and good luck on fighting to stay D1. ::)


Still here.   :shrug:
Yeah, I am monitoring your progress on fighting to stay D1.
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Que82 on April 29, 2017, 09:58:00 AM
Right,but from reading Yogi's and Conquero's Comments on how the Board of Regents uses their Iron Claw in Georgia I have gotten educated on some of the behind the scene action from the BOR. However, I am hoping that SSU will return home to the SIAC and renew old rivalries and start new ones. Our Conference is slowly getting back to the old days. Hopefully our SIAC Administration is working on this and offering open arms for their return home. :nod: When SSU and Morris Brown left the Late Wallace Jackson was at the helm of the SIAC the Founder of the Pioneer Bowl. :nod: 
Glad you learned something but start a thread about the board and let the title "Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I"  die.  This was like a young Mike Tyson's fight you blink and the dayum fight is over. :shrug:

is anybody putting a gun to your head and forcing you to read this thread?
  :snicker

 :lol:
I'm saying.  We ain't got no lawsuit money over hear in Georgia, so our fights to remain where we are will be much tougher.  But like said, if you are tired of the thread, leave it.  It isn't quite over yet.
Well I would think an ambulance chaser like yourself should have been able to get some lawsuit money or maybe you getting ready to fight for it.  :lol:
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Golden Kitten on April 29, 2017, 10:30:16 AM
Whew... :no:
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: Sierra on April 29, 2017, 11:04:35 AM
As a grad from SSU I am disappointed we haven't been successful in D1..and I'm not going to throw any rocks at a particular former CEO. But each day I read the comments and this song by Luther comes to mind..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc7mfAsNao4
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: SSUTigerFan on April 29, 2017, 11:19:56 AM
 :snicker
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: 92 SSU on April 29, 2017, 11:22:55 AM
As a grad from SSU I am disappointed we haven't been successful in D1..and I'm not going to throw any rocks at a particular former CEO. But each day I read the comments and this song by Luther comes to mind..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc7mfAsNao4

 :popcorn:

 :lmao:
Title: Re: Alumni ready to fight for SSU to stay in Division I
Post by: SSUTigerFan on April 30, 2017, 09:06:41 PM
 :popcorn: