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Title: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: #1wildcatfan on November 07, 2016, 09:19:25 PM
With a contingent agreement set up prior to the Fountain City Classic, both schools agreed that the loser would play Tuskegee, giving them a chance at going to the playoffs. Many thought that the game would be between Fort Valley State University and Tuskegee University, and it was received with open arms. However, we, FVSU, topped Albany State; and Albany State backed out on their part of the agreement. It doesn't look good that Albany State University is no longer considered an HBCU, and now they won't honor their agreement with another HBCU. If it had been Albany put in this situation, they would feel the same way if an agreement wasn't held. 
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: tiger4life on November 07, 2016, 09:32:33 PM
We well I don't really know what the agreement was so I'm not holding any grudges on ASU...we should have had out ducks in order
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: Valley Girl on November 07, 2016, 09:43:39 PM
With a contingent agreement set up prior to the Fountain City Classic, both schools agreed that the loser would play Tuskegee, giving them a chance at going to the playoffs. Many thought that the game would be between Fort Valley State University and Tuskegee University, and it was received with open arms. However, we, FVSU, topped Albany State; and Albany State backed out on their part of the agreement. It doesn't look good that Albany State University is no longer considered an HBCU, and now they won't honor their agreement with another HBCU. If it had been Albany put in this situation, they would feel the same way if an agreement wasn't held. 

???

ASU was under no obligation, and if there were no signatures put to paper then it is what it is. 

Besides, maybe the person that agreed didn't have the authority to agree - if there was ever any agreement in the first place - guess we will never know. Sounds like a bunch of miscommunication. 

Don't think any TU folks are blaming ASU anyway.  This could have been avoided well before the season started. 

Besides at this juncture it's moot - they were blessed to have found a replacement willing to travel to them, so perhaps they have a chance. 

 :offtopic: Is TU paying for VSU's travel expenses?





Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: SpecialK on November 07, 2016, 09:47:10 PM
With a contingent agreement set up prior to the Fountain City Classic, both schools agreed that the loser would play Tuskegee, giving them a chance at going to the playoffs. Many thought that the game would be between Fort Valley State University and Tuskegee University, and it was received with open arms. However, we, FVSU, topped Albany State; and Albany State backed out on their part of the agreement. It doesn't look good that Albany State University is no longer considered an HBCU, and now they won't honor their agreement with another HBCU. If it had been Albany put in this situation, they would feel the same way if an agreement wasn't held. 

To me, these type of backroom, secret agreements are disgusting.  Why FVSU would agree to this shows lack of strong leadership at the top;   TU knew the rules; it's their damn fault for not scheduling 10 games

If it true that Albany State back out of this agreement; Good for Them !!!!!
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: Valley Girl on November 07, 2016, 09:49:33 PM
And while I'm at it:


Stop saying ASU is no longer considered an HBCU.  Where do you get that from?   They will always be Historically Black - that was established over 100 years ago.  Hell Bluefield State is an HBCU that is predominantly white now.   Not only is ASU an HBCU but they're still (and will probably always be) predominantly BLACK.   #stopTrippin
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: #1wildcatfan on November 07, 2016, 10:02:59 PM
And while I'm at it:


Stop saying ASU is no longer considered an HBCU.  Where do you get that from?   They will always be Historically Black - that was established over 100 years ago.  Hell Bluefield State is an HBCU that is predominantly white now.   Not only is ASU an HBCU but they're still (and will probably always be) predominantly BLACK.   #stopTrippin

http://www.ajc.com/news/local-education/albany-state-students-protest-keep-hbcu-status-mission-statement/Owaw81HfMtQBn5mh3gxCVJ/

I am not tripping. I hate that the support from Albany State University wasn't strong from the leadership or administrative staff, but it is what it is.[
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Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: Valley Girl on November 07, 2016, 10:30:39 PM
And while I'm at it:


Stop saying ASU is no longer considered an HBCU.  Where do you get that from?   They will always be Historically Black - that was established over 100 years ago.  Hell Bluefield State is an HBCU that is predominantly white now.   Not only is ASU an HBCU but they're still (and will probably always be) predominantly BLACK.   #stopTrippin

http://www.ajc.com/news/local-education/albany-state-students-protest-keep-hbcu-status-mission-statement/Owaw81HfMtQBn5mh3gxCVJ/

I am not tripping. I hate that the support from Albany State University wasn't strong from the leadership or administrative staff, but it is what it is.[
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:no:


They were protesting the fact that they are indeed an HBCU was not mentioned in the new mission statement.   How that translates in your mind that they aren't considered an HBCU I will never know.  

Just because it was not originally mentioned in the new mission statement does not negate the fact that Albany State University will ALWAYS be classified as a historically black institution.   That is a designation that is not lost simply because it is not mentioned in a damn mission statement.  HISTORICALLY, the school is BLACK.  :no:

History designates the classification, NOT a mission statement. 
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: #1wildcatfan on November 07, 2016, 10:46:50 PM
O.k, I could be wrong, but many people at the game, Albany State University alumni and supporters were stating the same thing and how they are worried, that with Albany State not being considered an HBCU, that the merger was very misleading. I tell you what, since you don't believe sh!t stinks, have one of your Caucasian friends call the BOR and ask them and see the response that they will receive. I did it for myself and found out that way, I had one of my friends call and poise the question and it was stated to him that, with the merger having passed and the mission statement ratified, that Albany State University is no longer considered an HBCU and that they are taking the necessary precautions, because many of Darton State College alumni and board members felt offended that their child would be graduation from a school categorize as an HBCU. For some reason, we lose out, and that can be seen through history, we are the ones that ends up assimilating and losing our foundation. We can ignore the facts, but look at history.
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: Valley Girl on November 07, 2016, 11:07:55 PM
Ok this is my last response to you:


Child I don't have to have my white friends call the Board to pose that question  - it is an institution founded prior to 1964 that had a principal mission of educating AA's.   That is what an HBCU is.  Merging with a white school can't change that.   That was established by a federal act.   Now, there might be concern that they won't remain predominantly black because of the merge, and that concern is legitimate although I don't think they are in danger of losing their identity like that. 

Those white folks might not want to consider it an HBCU, but that's exactly what it is and what it will be.   Until they make an "official" announcement about a change in their designation  (which they probably won't ever do because by mere definition it can't change what it has been historically), it is an HBCU.

I'm done.  ASU is not playing next week cause they don't want to, and TU found somebody else to play.   All's well that ends well.   
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: G-Ram on November 07, 2016, 11:36:53 PM
VG, Now I really want to marry you. Powerball or not. You're the Blue and Gold of my Heart. :hugs: Let's get married quickly so we can start working on those kids. :kisses:
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: ncsiacfan on November 08, 2016, 12:42:23 AM
VG, surely I must have knowed you mama. You said a mouthful. When I was at Virgina State College , we had the President of West Virgina State to come down and speak to us. We already had our first white student on camous and thought we were going to go the way of West Virginia State which had already gone 50-50.  As I understand it, in that poor state whites welcomed the Supreme Court decision of 1954. Now we can get a college eduction. We can attend those nearby "colored" schools.

And for those who don't know,  Norfolk State was originally a two year division of Virginia State. It was still refered to as "little state" when I was at VSC. There is no love lost.  You have to be very careful when you are a DIA playing a DII. It has to be worth the risk of a possibe defeat and if not and there is no financial gain, why bother.
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: Que82 on November 08, 2016, 06:55:57 AM
VG, Now I really want to marry you. Powerball or not. You're the Blue and Gold of my Heart. :hugs: Let's get married quickly so we can start working on those kids. :kisses:
Dayum BT what you gonna do????
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: Cats4ever on November 08, 2016, 07:56:16 AM
With a contingent agreement set up prior to the Fountain City Classic, both schools agreed that the loser would play Tuskegee, giving them a chance at going to the playoffs. Many thought that the game would be between Fort Valley State University and Tuskegee University, and it was received with open arms. However, we, FVSU, topped Albany State; and Albany State backed out on their part of the agreement. It doesn't look good that Albany State University is no longer considered an HBCU, and now they won't honor their agreement with another HBCU. If it had been Albany put in this situation, they would feel the same way if an agreement wasn't held. 

To me, these type of backroom, secret agreements are disgusting.  Why FVSU would agree to this shows lack of strong leadership at the top;   TU knew the rules; it's their damn fault for not scheduling 10 games

If it true that Albany State back out of this agreement; Good for Them !!!!!

My man, Stillman dropped football which impacted TU schedule.  As stated, everyone knew that FVSU would lose, but Coach Porter had other plans. If FVSU could have played TU, it would have been a huge day for both schools. I am sure FVSU would have gained so much needed revenue for the game.  May that game would have opened the door for games with TU, and Lord knows we need it.

A good leader tries to find ways to build its brand.  As of today, FVSU need some money in its program.  I do not have an issue with it because I see the bigger picture.  Our President and AD are doing a good job of building our program.  I have a feeling that we will have one of the best in the nation. :clap:
Just my two cents!
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: thatd@mnYOGI on November 08, 2016, 08:29:47 AM
I wish people would stop blaming the goats for this Tuskegee debacle. The goats has every right to rescind its offer. After a rivalry game like the Classic, your emotion and effort is spent and you have no desire to play another game that doesn't matter to you.   :no:

that's all...
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: Golden Kitten on November 08, 2016, 08:49:48 AM
I don't blame the Goats for the stupidity of our AD but I do think that both schools should have said "Wait until Monday" rather than to "verbally agree" and then back out. But I am glad that VSU is willing to play us. The Trojans are a good team and it will be a major test for us and that is what we need. For me, playing a team twice when the 'ship is not involved would not generate the same interest...
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: fvsuvallycat on November 08, 2016, 09:51:51 AM
http://www.thesiac.com/news/2016/11/8/FBALL_1108163732.aspx?path=fball

TUSKEGEE, Ala. | The Tuskegee University athletic department announced that the 14th-ranked Golden Tigers have reached an agreement to face Virginia State University on Saturday in the 10th game of the regular season for Tuskegee.
 
Tuskegee (8-1) and Virginia State (8-2) will meet at Cleve L. Abbott Memorial Alumni Stadium at 12 noon on Saturday.
 
The Golden Tigers enter the contest ranked sixth in Super Region 2 and are in the midst of competing for a playoff spot for the fourth consecutive year in NCAA Division II. Meanwhile, Virginia State – a member of the CIAA – is a member of Super Region 1.
 
For ticket information, contact the Tuskegee University athletic ticket office at (334) 727-8594 or (334) 724-4385.
 
The game will be carried by the Tuskegee Digital Network , with pregame starting at 11:30 am.
 
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: Ramese98 on November 08, 2016, 10:40:53 AM
#1wildcatfan: From a FINANCIAL CARD CARRYING ACTIVE  AWARD WINNING MEMBER OF the ASU National Alumni Association

you sir/madam are an ASU hater and that is that. Your post details that.  Your assessment of the facts are laughable at most.  Civil discord is welcome and ok, but to blatantly to state untruths is a no no.

The Merger
Yes, there are some Alumni who voiced displeasure with the Merger, but these are the same alumni, who has been collecting money for over two decades to sue the BOR about the unfair treatment of HBCUs in GA, these are the same alumni who have taken our HBCU Alumni Associations hostage, these are the same ALUMNI who STUCK in the 70s and 80s, relying on 50s/60s tactics. These are the same ALUMNI standing at the GATE blocking young alums from coming and taking leadership roles in the National Alumni Association, so be careful of the regurgitated information you provide. Here at ASU the majority of us are mindful of the BOR and know the BOR quite well. We anticipated a merger from the HBCU world, and quite a few knew that it would probably be ASU and Darton. The fear most had was that it would a DARTON favored merger. It was not. ASU is the school name, the school colors, the school mascot, the school logo in other words...come January 1, 2017 Darton will no longer exist. If you want to know the TRUTH of the merger, below is the Consolidate Prospectus submitted to the Southern Region Associations of Colleges and Schools (SACS).  

I really do suggest reading this document, it give you a great insight on the Consolidation Aspect andAlbany State really does come out on top in this consolidation

http://www.consolidation.asurams.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/ASU_DSC_Consolidation_Prospectus_2016.pdf (http://www.consolidation.asurams.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/ASU_DSC_Consolidation_Prospectus_2016.pdf)

This SIAC/Tuskegee debacle.

 1) This is not an Albany State problem or issue. 2) This "Agreement" was announced by TU AD, and not the other schools. So no one really knows the details. It is clear that no contracts were signed. 3) Was it an agreement with one school and the assumption that the other would follow through or was it with the SIAC 4) I said from the beginning that the SIAC better be careful on how it handles this or risk showing favoritism and lo and behold that is what has happened. The SIAC as a conference cannot afford to lose a Member School such as Albany State, over this mess and the likelihood of that is real possibility. NO school should be dragged through the mud over such as this. This unhealthy balance of State Schools and Private schools in the SIAC is not good. State schools have rules that private schools do not. 4) From my understanding there was nothing concrete per ASU and the actual players said no and that they would not participate in the game---no players no game 5) TU AD should be held accountable on the entire situation and his remarks made to the press.  6) The SIAC should have stepped in cleaned up this mess, yet so far they have remained silent and on the sidelines.  7) Where does the SIAC go after this mess?
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: thatd@mnYOGI on November 08, 2016, 11:07:11 AM
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that's all... 
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: Valley Girl on November 08, 2016, 11:28:59 AM
:lol:


And if people have that much of a problem attending ASU because of the HBCU status, they can go over to Tifton to ABAC, up to Americus to GA Southwestern, or down to Valdosta State. 


VG, Now I really want to marry you. Powerball or not. You're the Blue and Gold of my Heart. :hugs: Let's get married quickly so we can start working on those kids. :kisses:
Dayum BT what you gonna do????


Both of you are silly :lol:


Ummm BT has you all fooled.   Don't know how many times I've got to tell you he wants the Popeye's chicken chick and the Pine Sol Broad.   Like the song says, "trying to love two ain't easy to do" - so you know he can't love three.   The ship has sailed.  :lol:
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: klg14 on November 08, 2016, 11:49:26 AM
:lol:
And if people have that much of a problem attending ASU because of the HBCU status, they can go over to Tifton to ABAC, up to Americus to GA Southwestern, or down to Valdosta State. 

ABAC is my old stomping ground.   :nod:

Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: Golden Kitten on November 08, 2016, 11:57:32 AM
Ramese,

The private school vs state school hound does not hunt. The rules of the conference govern everyone no matter which. So please stop THAT nonsense... :no:
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: Jaimac on November 08, 2016, 12:26:40 PM
Ramese,

The private school vs state school hound does not hunt. The rules of the conference govern everyone no matter which. So please stop THAT nonsense... :no:

My interpretation of the ASU alum's comments are that since there are more private schools in the conference, 10, versus, the 4 state supported institutions, at times, the interests are not the same. The private schools can build a coalition and easily out vote the members that are public.

 :shrug:
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: MilesBear1 on November 08, 2016, 01:47:00 PM
Interesting. :nod:
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: Ramese98 on November 08, 2016, 01:52:08 PM
Ramese,

The private school vs state school hound does not hunt. The rules of the conference govern everyone no matter which. So please stop THAT nonsense... :no:

Actually yes it does hunt, and has been an ISSUE for awhile with the State Schools.  However, I do not think it is the issue in this situation.
 It is not nonsense though. The SIAC is slighted toward the Private Schools. We just have to agree to disagree on this matter.
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: MilesBear1 on November 08, 2016, 01:57:53 PM
Interesting
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: thatd@mnYOGI on November 08, 2016, 02:33:30 PM
Interesting


What's interesting is your dumb behind rooting for Virginia State in this avatar. You are a perfect example of the point of member institution not supporting one another outside of the conference. It's asinine and frankly, sad.

that's all...    :tiptoe:
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: Jaimac on November 08, 2016, 03:49:08 PM
Yogi,

 :nono2:

Stop it!
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: Fly Young Intellectual on November 08, 2016, 04:25:55 PM
Albany State isn't to blame totally for Tuskegee's predicament, but they definitely devalued their word. If I'm Skegee I'm running up the score on them in every sport!
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: Shelt from Skegee on November 08, 2016, 04:26:26 PM
Ramese,

The private school vs state school hound does not hunt. The rules of the conference govern everyone no matter which. So please stop THAT nonsense... :no:

Actually yes it does hunt, and has been an ISSUE for awhile with the State Schools.  However, I do not think it is the issue in this situation.
 It is not nonsense though. The SIAC is slighted toward the Private Schools. We just have to agree to disagree on this matter.

I'm just curious. How is the SIAC slighted toward Private Schools?
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: tiger4life on November 09, 2016, 01:10:14 AM
lol at Yogi....   did you expect anything less...from a man that was "BARLOW GOT TO GO TO LETS GO BARLOW"...he needs to take that Mr. SIAC off his tag... he lost the Classic and "his" game... he may have voted Trump.. JT COME GET YOUR BOY
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: G-Ram on November 09, 2016, 03:47:48 AM
Albany State isn't to blame totally for Tuskegee's predicament, but they definitely devalued their word. If I'm Skegee I'm running up the score on them in every sport!


 :shrug: You Mad?
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: Ojuice TI75 on November 09, 2016, 06:55:33 AM
I really don't see any individual school as the problem, but a conference that has a pair of losing programs play in its championship is the problem. The problem? It's not Albany State, it's not Tuskegee it's not even Ft. Valley nor Kentucky State!

The problem is the SIAC as a conference. Twelve losses between division champs mean your Championship Game is meaningless. The conference needs to revamp the methodology for determining its championship game participants.The Solution? A system that allows the best teams to play each other like every other football conference in the country.

This so-called Championship game severely diminishes the credibility of the conference and will make it difficult as individual schools seek to upgrade/improve their athletic programs.

What is the SIAC (hint: Presidents & AD's) thinking?  Maybe they don't think!


   
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: RamMan4Life on November 09, 2016, 09:06:21 AM
The bigger problem I have is not that the "agreement" was not honored, but that there had to be one to begin with.
TU's AD knew that they needed a 10th game...
He didn't get it in writing....
The decision makers in the conference office are garbage....
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: Jaimac on November 09, 2016, 12:17:16 PM
I really don't see any individual school as the problem, but a conference that has a pair of losing programs play in its championship is the problem. The problem? It's not Albany State, it's not Tuskegee it's not even Ft. Valley nor Kentucky State!

The problem is the SIAC as a conference. Twelve losses between division champs mean your Championship Game is meaningless. The conference needs to revamp the methodology for determining its championship game participants.The Solution? A system that allows the best teams to play each other like every other football conference in the country.

This so-called Championship game severely diminishes the credibility of the conference and will make it difficult as individual schools seek to upgrade/improve their athletic programs.

What is the SIAC (hint: Presidents & AD's) thinking?  Maybe they don't think!

I agree.  The method utilzed in determing the divisional winner is garbage.  IMO, all of the conference games played by a team should count in determining who represents the East and West in the Championship game.  If this game is to exist, dog gone it, do what makes sense!  I would like to think that the COPs would revisit  and correct this.  I am NOT holding my breath.     :no:


The bigger problem I have is not that the "agreement" was not honored, but that there had to be one to begin with.
TU's AD knew that they needed a 10th game...
He didn't get it in writing....
The decision makers in the conference office are garbage....

Co-signing.....especially taking in consideration some of the decisions made over the last several years.   :shrug:
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: Golden Kitten on November 09, 2016, 12:56:28 PM
 :nod:
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: jag4life on November 09, 2016, 01:45:10 PM
How long have they used this method to pick the division champs?
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: ctrabs0114 on November 09, 2016, 03:30:53 PM
My .02 as an outside and 'disinterested' neutral observer:

1. 'Skegee already played - and defeated - Albany State, 28-18, on Sept. 10. What exactly does ASU gain from a rematch that is designed to make TU playoff eligible, especially when the two teams have already faced each other?
2. I'll grant that TU may have dropped the ball by not scheduling a replacement game after Stillman dropped football. At the same time, scheduling an out-of-conference game in the middle of October is a lot easier said than done, given the way other conferences in the region (SAC, GSC) have their schedules set up. Even in December, there aren't a lot of options at TU's disposal or, for that matter, the majority of teams in similar situations.
3. I can understand if non-conference obligations from other SIAC teams prevented this from happening this season, but the easiest way to prevent these scheduling issues in the future is (1) eliminate the conference championship game and (2) a round-robin schedule with the first two weeks for OOC games (either FCS 'money games' or in-region games against CIAA, GSC or SAC teams.
4. Even if the SIAC chooses to stage a championship game, the league has to reconsider using divisional games only instead of divisional and inter-divisional games when determining a division champion, similar to how the CIAA format.
5. This situation could've been handled differently, that's for sure. But, kudos for Virginia State for stepping up and agreeing to this game. The SOS boost from playing an 8-2 VSU team helps Tuskegee, who more likely than not, has a path to the NCAA playoffs regardless of the outcome of this game, especially with the SAC overall being, well, lousy.
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: Fly Young Intellectual on November 09, 2016, 08:32:50 PM
Albany State isn't to blame totally for Tuskegee's predicament, but they definitely devalued their word. If I'm Skegee I'm running up the score on them in every sport!


 :shrug: You Mad?

Why would I be mad? ASU looks bad for giving their word then bringing it back, but you got it...
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: SpecialK on November 09, 2016, 09:46:42 PM
Albany State isn't to blame totally for Tuskegee's predicament, but they definitely devalued their word. If I'm Skegee I'm running up the score on them in every sport!


 :shrug: You Mad?

Why would I be mad? ASU looks bad for giving their word then bringing it back, but you got it...

ASU does not look bad to me; it's not ASU responsibility to bail out TU for their Athletics Department's extremely poor decision/planning to not schedule 10 regular season games; it takes a lot of arrogance by TU to automatically assume they can use the SIAC Championship game as their 10th game

I would have been extremely pissed at FVSU if they had played TU had they lost the Fountain City Classic; Why should we?

The SIAC is the problem here; they created two divisions and limited the ability for all the institutions to play each other every season if they wanted to; TU always has a problem with scheduling games outside of the SIAC; the other institutions in the SIAC do not have this problem; Why is That?

TU needs to go back to playing Alabama State on Thanksgiving and forget about the playoffs; TU's Athletic Department doesn't have the mindset or desire to compete for the D2 National Championship
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: Valley Native on November 10, 2016, 07:49:12 AM
Maybe this is the nudging that TU and Albany St needed to start looking around at options to leave the SIAC maybe.
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: Valley Native on November 10, 2016, 08:09:15 AM
TU the SWAC , ASU not sure Gulf South Conference or MEAC? It wouldn't affect the FCC rivalry at all.
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: jag4life on November 10, 2016, 08:15:16 AM
Maybe this is the nudging that TU and Albany St needed to start looking around at options to leave the SIAC maybe.

Why for TU? This is their own fault
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: Valley Native on November 10, 2016, 08:33:00 AM
True, but maybe all that is needed sometimes is an excuse.
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: jag4life on November 10, 2016, 09:40:31 AM
TU the SWAC , ASU not sure Gulf South Conference or MEAC? It wouldn't affect the FCC rivalry at all.

TU is not moving up to D1.
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: ASUALum on November 10, 2016, 10:33:09 AM
Albany State isn't to blame totally for Tuskegee's predicament, but they definitely devalued their word. If I'm Skegee I'm running up the score on them in every sport!


 :shrug: You Mad?

Why would I be mad? ASU looks bad for giving their word then bringing it back, but you got it...

You sir or ma'am... is delusional...I'm still waiting on a valid explanation on how in the heyal did this become an ASU problem... Why? Because our PLAYERS opted out of playing a pointless game? Hell, I wouldn't have played the game either! Why risk injury to save TU's a--...
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: ‘87 Alum on November 10, 2016, 10:52:21 AM
 :shrug:
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: Ramese98 on November 10, 2016, 01:45:50 PM
I hope this bitterness does not cause the Whitewater Classic to be shelved.   I do know that Albany State is not happy with the SIAC and TU at this moment.
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: ‘87 Alum on November 10, 2016, 02:01:48 PM
I hope this bitterness does not cause the Whitewater Classic to be shelved.   I do know that Albany State is not happy with the SIAC and TU at this moment.

What did Skegee do to ASU for them to not be happy with us?

 :shrug:
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: Valley Girl on November 10, 2016, 02:22:50 PM
I hope this bitterness does not cause the Whitewater Classic to be shelved.   I do know that Albany State is not happy with the SIAC and TU at this moment.

What did Skegee do to ASU for them to not be happy with us?

 :shrug:



Interesting question.   

Maybe they think the TU AD threw them under the bus.    :shrug:

ASU hasn't made an official statement either way, so it could be that 1.   They changed their minds like TU said and TU called them out or 2. They NEVER agreed to anything in the first place and TU's AD told a lie. 

Either one of those scenarios could cause the side eye. 

I don't know, just guessing.
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: ‘87 Alum on November 10, 2016, 02:28:50 PM
VG-

I dunno but funny how if that conversation occurred leading into the FCC, then it really got sideways in a hurry after the game between Saturday night and Sunday afternoon.  Interestingly enough, we have not heard any contrary intelligence from FVSU.  That coupled with other folks telling us we don't have the mindset or desire to compete for the D2 Championship.  This is more comedy and drama than anything I've seen in a long time.
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: Utopia on November 10, 2016, 02:46:51 PM
http://www.walb.com/story/33651182/asu-tuskegee-dispute-football-game-agreement


ALBANY, GA (WALB) -
Albany State will not be playing Tuskegee at home on November 12. That has led to a war of words of sorts between the two SIAC rivals.

Albany State athletic director Sherie Gordon said Albany State was approached by Tuskegee last week to play on November 12th in Albany if the Golden Rams lost to Fort Valley State in the Fountain City Classic.

The Golden Tigers rank 6th in the latest NCAA regional rankings, a spot that would earn them a playoff game. But Tuskegee has only played nine games. The NCAA requires teams to play at least 10 games to qualify for the postseason.

Gordon tells WALB ASU initially rejected the request on Friday.

On Saturday before the ASU-FVSU game, Gordon says ASU changed  their mind and "verbally agreed" to host the Golden Tigers on November 12.

After the Golden Rams' loss to FVSU, Gordon says she, head football coach Dan Land, and university president Dr. Art Dunning discussed the impromptu game again, this time deciding against playing it.

"One, this isn't a game that provided any benefit to Albany State," Gordon says.  "But two, specifically the risk of injury. We discussed a great deal that risk and playing in the game. It just didn't leave us feeling positive about the opportunity to compete."

Gordon says after reconsidering their decision to play, ASU immediately notified Tuskegee and the SIAC of their decision to not play. She says Albany State is aware of the impact of their choice to not play, but added this was not made to slight Tuskegee.

"We made it clear that this was not a decision not to support their institution or the SIAC, but a decision we felt was in the best interests of our student-athletes," Gordon says.

Tuskegee, though, is not happy with the Golden Rams. TU athletic director Curtis Campbell questioned Albany State's decision in a statement released Monday by the TU athletic department.

"I am very disappointed in Albany State's decision not to honor their agreement," Tuskegee athletic director Curtis Campbell says in the same statement. "As members of the SIAC, we must be able to trust the word of a member institution."

Gordon declined to comment on Campbell's statement, instead saying she and Albany State wish Tuskegee well.

Gordon did say she hopes the SIAC will work to make sure teams are scheduling correctly.

"We hopes this sparks the conversation, from a conference perspective, of implementing policies to ensure these types of scheduling errors don't happen in the future," Gordon says.

The two schools played earlier this season. Tuskegee defeated Albany State 28-18 on September 10 at the White Water Classic in Phenix City, AL. Tuskegee says they are attempting to secure a 10th game for November 12
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: Jaimac on November 10, 2016, 04:41:43 PM
Hmmm.....
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: Golden Kitten on November 10, 2016, 05:18:29 PM
I hope this bitterness does not cause the Whitewater Classic to be shelved.   I do know that Albany State is not happy with the SIAC and TU at this moment.

Those feelings are probably mutual. As I said the other day, we should not have asked before the FCC and ASU (probably assuming it would win the FCC) should not have "verbally agreed" until after the game was played
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: SpecialK on November 10, 2016, 09:24:12 PM
Albany State isn't to blame totally for Tuskegee's predicament, but they definitely devalued their word. If I'm Skegee I'm running up the score on them in every sport!


 :shrug: You Mad?



Why would I be mad? ASU looks bad for giving their word then bringing it back, but you got it...

You sir or ma'am... is delusional...I'm still waiting on a valid explanation on how in the heyal did this become an ASU problem... Why? Because our PLAYERS opted out of playing a pointless game? Hell, I wouldn't have played the game either! Why risk injury to save TU's a--...

INJURIES was also my main concern about FVSU agreeing to play that 11th game for them which was a totally meaningless game; FVSU's Athletic Department was not thinking what was best for their Student-Athletes when they agreed to play that meaningless game.
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: Onnidan Webmaster on November 11, 2016, 08:57:19 AM
I hope this bitterness does not cause the Whitewater Classic to be shelved.   I do know that Albany State is not happy with the SIAC and TU at this moment.

What did Skegee do to ASU for them to not be happy with us?

 :shrug:


Interesting question.   

Maybe they think the TU AD threw them under the bus.    :shrug:

ASU hasn't made an official statement either way, so it could be that 1.   They changed their minds like TU said and TU called them out or 2. They NEVER agreed to anything in the first place and TU's AD told a lie. 

Either one of those scenarios could cause the side eye. 

I don't know, just guessing.

Although Albany State hasn't released an "official statement" this is a report on WALB, Albany's local TV station

http://www.walb.com/story/33651182/asu-tuskegee-dispute-football-game-agreement


ALBANY, GA (WALB) -
Albany State will not be playing Tuskegee at home on November 12. That has led to a war of words of sorts between the two SIAC rivals.

Albany State athletic director Sherie Gordon said Albany State was approached by Tuskegee last week to play on November 12th in Albany if the Golden Rams lost to Fort Valley State in the Fountain City Classic.

The Golden Tigers rank 6th in the latest NCAA regional rankings, a spot that would earn them a playoff game. But Tuskegee has only played nine games. The NCAA requires teams to play at least 10 games to qualify for the postseason.

Gordon tells WALB ASU initially rejected the request on Friday.

On Saturday before the ASU-FVSU game, Gordon says ASU changed  their mind and "verbally agreed" to host the Golden Tigers on November 12.

After the Golden Rams' loss to FVSU, Gordon says she, head football coach Dan Land, and university president Dr. Art Dunning discussed the impromptu game again, this time deciding against playing it.

"One, this isn't a game that provided any benefit to Albany State," Gordon says.  "But two, specifically the risk of injury. We discussed a great deal that risk and playing in the game. It just didn't leave us feeling positive about the opportunity to compete."

Gordon says after reconsidering their decision to play, ASU immediately notified Tuskegee and the SIAC of their decision to not play. She says Albany State is aware of the impact of their choice to not play, but added this was not made to slight Tuskegee.

"We made it clear that this was not a decision not to support their institution or the SIAC, but a decision we felt was in the best interests of our student-athletes," Gordon says.

Tuskegee, though, is not happy with the Golden Rams. TU athletic director Curtis Campbell questioned Albany State's decision in a statement released Monday by the TU athletic department.

"I am very disappointed in Albany State's decision not to honor their agreement," Tuskegee athletic director Curtis Campbell says in the same statement. "As members of the SIAC, we must be able to trust the word of a member institution."

Gordon declined to comment on Campbell's statement, instead saying she and Albany State wish Tuskegee well.

Gordon did say she hopes the SIAC will work to make sure teams are scheduling correctly.

"We hopes this sparks the conversation, from a conference perspective, of implementing policies to ensure these types of scheduling errors don't happen in the future," Gordon says.

The two schools played earlier this season. Tuskegee defeated Albany State 28-18 on September 10 at the White Water Classic in Phenix City, AL. Tuskegee says they are attempting to secure a 10th game for November 12.

Copyright 2016 WALB.  All rights reserved.
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: klg14 on November 11, 2016, 10:34:25 AM
The bottom line is each school's reputation has been tarnished. No telling how this situation is being by perspective recruits. The game tomorrow is tainted as with the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: MilesBear1 on November 11, 2016, 04:02:34 PM
Oh well. :snicker
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: Ojuice TI75 on November 12, 2016, 08:09:11 AM
I don't feel there is any responsibility on Albany State! Tuskegee must be held accountable for:


1) Not replacing Stillman and note there is still two holes in the Golden Tigers schedule for 2017. The Stillman gap still exist for the near future!

2) Being a part of the decision within the SIAC, to only consider divisional games and not conference games in determining participants in the SIAC "championship" Game.

3) Losing to Kentucky State!

Albany State had no obligation to play Tuskegee a second time and had every right to decline/change their mind after losing the Fountain City Classic to Ft. Valley State...........

I just don't know which 4-6 losing team to cheer for in the SIAC "championship" Game!

Does anybody want to guess the SIAC "championship" Game Attendance?
2,000 maybe even 2,500!!!!
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: Golden Kitten on November 12, 2016, 08:33:32 AM
OJ,

Don't understand 2. That decision was voted on by conference schools. Even if we voted no, the majority rules.



MB1,

The Trojans don't want or need  you.  :no:  I keep telling you jealousy does not become you...
Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: Ojuice TI75 on November 12, 2016, 09:06:39 AM
OJ,
Don't understand 2. That decision was voted on by conference schools. Even if we voted no, the majority rules
.


GK, I clearly understand that it's a conference policy, however I don't know that TU's AD and/or President voted against such a policy.

Are you aware they voted against (or for) a "Division-Only" record for SIAC "championship" Game participants ?
OJ

Title: Re: Many are shaking their heads at Albany State
Post by: Ramese98 on November 12, 2016, 10:33:19 AM
It all makes sense now. ASU Administration said NO, when the request came. Saturday came, and TU folks was at the FCC and someone approached an ASU coach or someone they felt important at the SIAC and they probably was in their cups and pre-gaming and they had a gentlemen's agreement, yeah we will work this out, we got you, blah, blah, etc. Problem is no one thought to run it by the AD and President.

In reading between the lines, ASU AD Gordon indicates that someone from ASU agreed to this game but did not have the authority to do so, but does not name who. Then those who make the final Athletic decisions at ASU met and went with the original NO.

I think had TU AD not rushed with the announcement this situation would not have occurred. I say this because of the timeline of the situation. On Friday if ASU said no, why then Saturday morning before the game could be played TU AD releases a press release announcing the game and then by Sunday Morning, TU AD released a statement that ASU decided not to honor it's agreement. Then Monday, TU AD released another statement that TU would be playing Virigina State Univ. Trojans all this within 24-48 hours.  Good PR moves to cover your a** , but bad PR MOVE On communications. The man showed he was all over the place. Before anyone could respond he was on the next press release. The one thing TU AD has not done is owned up to his error, but instead has made excuses and placed the blame on others.

ASU erred on not coming out and clarifying it's position sooner, albeit I knew that the AD was not trying to get into a war of words with TU AD, so she kept it professionally. I will give her a slight pass since she is new to the position and got more things to worry about at the present moment, i.e. merging her athletic department.  I do not know a lot of things, but I am in touch and tune with my athletic department to a degree, and I know some on here are as well. They go beyond the mere fan approach they want to know the skinny, so they can know how to maneuver and operate in the best interest of their school, student athletes and Athletic Department as a whole.  I prefaced that for the following: If you read what is not being said, you can clearly get the picture of ASU Athletics and their feelings toward the SIAC and TU.  That is why I said I hope this bitterness does not cause a problem with the Whitewater Classic. The Whitewater Classic does not count for ASU or TU in the conference so why are they playing. People have to think big picture. AD Gordon, alludes to that in her comments on scheduling.

"One, this isn't a game that provided any benefit to Albany State," Gordon says.  "But two, specifically the risk of injury. We discussed a great deal that risk and playing in the game. It just didn't leave us feeling positive about the opportunity to compete."

Gordon says after reconsidering their decision to play, ASU immediately notified Tuskegee and the SIAC of their decision to not play. She says Albany State is aware of the impact of their choice to not play, but added this was not made to slight Tuskegee. (that part of the conversation had not been mentioned before, the Conference, remember when I said the conference needs to be careful how they handle this and not end up showing favoritism)

"We made it clear that this was not a decision not to support their institution or the SIAC, but a decision we felt was in the best interests of our student-athletes," Gordon says.

Tuskegee, though, is not happy with the Golden Rams. TU athletic director Curtis Campbell questioned Albany State's decision in a statement released Monday by the TU athletic department.

"I am very disappointed in Albany State's decision not to honor their agreement," Tuskegee athletic director Curtis Campbell says in the same statement. "As members of the SIAC, we must be able to trust the word of a member institution." (It goes back to the SIAC again, interesting.)

Gordon declined to comment on Campbell's statement, instead saying she and Albany State wish Tuskegee well.

Gordon did say she hopes the SIAC will work to make sure teams are scheduling correctly.

"We hopes this sparks the conversation, from a conference perspective, of implementing policies to ensure these types of scheduling errors don't happen in the future," Gordon says.

This has made for good dialogue and conversation.