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Title: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: colapanther13 on March 09, 2016, 08:42:35 PM
These are just some of the pics I found on Instagram. Keep in mind that these were all taken during actual games.

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I don't know much about the SWAC, but it looks to me like this tournament should take place in somebody's gym and not an NBA arena.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: DRUMMA1 on March 09, 2016, 09:09:07 PM
The Friday and Saturday games usually have good crowds:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E1RBpWw5e7M
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: colapanther13 on March 09, 2016, 09:37:10 PM
The Friday and Saturday games usually have good crowds:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E1RBpWw5e7M

I sure hope that trend continues this year. I think it's great that they were able to get John Paul Stevenson to do PA Announcing for the tournament. His voice is truly one of the greatest in all of announcing. People go to Rockets games just to hear his voice.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: DES on March 09, 2016, 10:18:13 PM
Should they move from Toyota Center and find a smaller venue ?
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: colapanther13 on March 09, 2016, 10:31:04 PM
Should they move from Toyota Center and find a smaller venue ?

That's what I was thinking but I believe they may be under contract. Even the Friday and Saturday crowds from last year look like they would fit nicely in a smaller venue.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: jag4life on March 09, 2016, 11:00:16 PM
Nope stay there. The players love the venue and Toyota is the sponsor anyway.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: bluedog on March 10, 2016, 06:29:40 AM
These are just some of the pics I found on Instagram. Keep in mind that these were all taken during actual games.

(http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h337/desmondromellmoore/Mobile%20Uploads/F46595A7-D264-479F-A134-8C6C4E055E55.png_zpsqmjb48qq.jpeg)

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I don't know much about the SWAC, but it looks to me like this tournament should take place in somebody's gym and not an NBA arena.

Why?

What would be the benefit?
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: thatd@mnYOGI on March 10, 2016, 08:16:38 AM
I was thinking that this week after watching the Texas Southern beatdown of Alabama State last week. Texas Southern has a huge gym. Why not have it there if you want to have it in the city of Houston in the SWAC area?

that's all...   ???
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: colapanther13 on March 10, 2016, 08:54:38 AM
At the very least, I think they should move the earlier rounds to a smaller venue. TSU's gym would be an excellent option. To say that there are even a hundred people in the stands at some of those games would be a stretch. Why play those games at the Toyota Center if the arena is only at around 1% capacity? Yes, I get that players like the feeling of playing where the Houston Rockets play...but at what point do all the pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media begin to damage the SWAC brand?
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: bluedog on March 10, 2016, 09:12:50 AM
Maybe you all didn't  hear me. So I'll ask the question again.

Why? 

What would be the benefits of moving the games out of the Toyota Center?
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Shelt from Skegee on March 10, 2016, 09:27:49 AM
At the very least, I think they should move the earlier rounds to a smaller venue. TSU's gym would be an excellent option. To say that there are even a hundred people in the stands at some of those games would be a stretch. Why play those games at the Toyota Center if the arena is only at around 1% capacity? Yes, I get that players like the feeling of playing where the Houston Rockets play...but at what point do all the pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media begin to damage the SWAC brand?

Bluedog the "benefit" to moving would be to limit the perceived "damage to the SWAC brand" due to all the games in an empty arena and "pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media"

This isn't my opinion (I don't have a dog in the hunt), but I believe that is the gist of the question
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: colapanther13 on March 10, 2016, 09:35:20 AM
At the very least, I think they should move the earlier rounds to a smaller venue. TSU's gym would be an excellent option. To say that there are even a hundred people in the stands at some of those games would be a stretch. Why play those games at the Toyota Center if the arena is only at around 1% capacity? Yes, I get that players like the feeling of playing where the Houston Rockets play...but at what point do all the pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media begin to damage the SWAC brand?

Bluedog the "benefit" to moving would be to limit the perceived "damage to the SWAC brand" due to all the games in an empty arena and "pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media"

This isn't my opinion (I don't have a dog in the hunt), but I believe that is the gist of the question

This
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: bluedog on March 10, 2016, 10:40:11 AM
At the very least, I think they should move the earlier rounds to a smaller venue. TSU's gym would be an excellent option. To say that there are even a hundred people in the stands at some of those games would be a stretch. Why play those games at the Toyota Center if the arena is only at around 1% capacity? Yes, I get that players like the feeling of playing where the Houston Rockets play...but at what point do all the pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media begin to damage the SWAC brand?

Bluedog the "benefit" to moving would be to limit the perceived "damage to the SWAC brand" due to all the games in an empty arena and "pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media"

This isn't my opinion (I don't have a dog in the hunt), but I believe that is the gist of the question

This


So how much has  this make believe damage  cost the conference?  And is it real money or monopoly money?

If there is any other make believe damage please elaborate by offering any make believe evidence that you have.

Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Professor on March 10, 2016, 11:34:51 AM
Interesting,

What was attendance last night
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: colapanther13 on March 10, 2016, 11:51:34 AM
At the very least, I think they should move the earlier rounds to a smaller venue. TSU's gym would be an excellent option. To say that there are even a hundred people in the stands at some of those games would be a stretch. Why play those games at the Toyota Center if the arena is only at around 1% capacity? Yes, I get that players like the feeling of playing where the Houston Rockets play...but at what point do all the pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media begin to damage the SWAC brand?

Bluedog the "benefit" to moving would be to limit the perceived "damage to the SWAC brand" due to all the games in an empty arena and "pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media"

This isn't my opinion (I don't have a dog in the hunt), but I believe that is the gist of the question

This


So how much has  this make believe damage  cost the conference?  And is it real money or monopoly money?

If there is any other make believe damage please elaborate by offering any make believe evidence that you have.



Clearly this is a sore subject for you. Not one poster has mentioned any financial damage keeping the tournament at the Toyota Center would cause the conference. The pictures I posted are very real, not "make believe." You simply cannot deny that attendance at this year's tournament so far is very poor. Given that fact, I think it's plenty fair to discuss the possibility of moving the tournament to a more appropriately sized venue.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: jag4life on March 10, 2016, 12:19:04 PM
No, the student-athletes are the ones who matter most in this.  The players love playing in an NBA venue and the conference is making a profit regardless.  So there is no harm in playing in Toyota Center.  The televised championship game will likely be as it has been the last 2 seasons with respectable attendance.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: ‘87 Alum on March 10, 2016, 12:37:11 PM
No, the student-athletes are the ones who matter most in this.  The players love playing in an NBA venue and the conference is making a profit regardless.  So there is no harm in playing in Toyota Center.  The televised championship game will likely be as it has been the last 2 seasons with respectable attendance.

True. But I wonder if you polled those same student athletes about playing in front of empty seats at an NBA arena or playing in front of fans in a D-1 arena, which would be a higher priority. Keep in mind, most if not all, played AAU so they are accustomed to playing in larger venues.

So, in your opinion, what's a respectable attendance for these conference tournament games?  And more importantly, since the conference is profiting from this, what must they do differently to attract more fans and locals to join the fun at an NBA arena?
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: bluedog on March 10, 2016, 01:24:08 PM
At the very least, I think they should move the earlier rounds to a smaller venue. TSU's gym would be an excellent option. To say that there are even a hundred people in the stands at some of those games would be a stretch. Why play those games at the Toyota Center if the arena is only at around 1% capacity? Yes, I get that players like the feeling of playing where the Houston Rockets play...but at what point do all the pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media begin to damage the SWAC brand?

Bluedog the "benefit" to moving would be to limit the perceived "damage to the SWAC brand" due to all the games in an empty arena and "pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media"

This isn't my opinion (I don't have a dog in the hunt), but I believe that is the gist of the question

This


So how much has  this make believe damage  cost the conference?  And is it real money or monopoly money?

If there is any other make believe damage please elaborate by offering any make believe evidence that you have.



Clearly this is a sore subject for you. Not one poster has mentioned any financial damage keeping the tournament at the Toyota Center would cause the conference. The pictures I posted are very real, not "make believe." You simply cannot deny that attendance at this year's tournament so far is very poor. Given that fact, I think it's plenty fair to discuss the possibility of moving the tournament to a more appropriately sized venue.



Chief the only thing that's clear is that you can't  articulate any damages that's  being cause other then what you've  made up in your mind.

If I'm wrong I welcome any  real evidence that you care to present
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: bluedog on March 10, 2016, 01:27:52 PM
No, the student-athletes are the ones who matter most in this.  The players love playing in an NBA venue and the conference is making a profit regardless.  So there is no harm in playing in Toyota Center.  The televised championship game will likely be as it has been the last 2 seasons with respectable attendance.

True. But I wonder if you polled those same student athletes about playing in front of empty seats at an NBA arena or playing in front of fans in a D-1 arena, which would be a higher priority. Keep in mind, most if not all, played AAU so they are accustomed to playing in larger venues.

So, in your opinion, what's a respectable attendance for these conference tournament games?  And more importantly, since the conference is profiting from this, what must they do differently to attract more fans and locals to join the fun at an NBA arena?


That's a huge assumption.  Not that it matters one way or the other. But it is a huge assumption without any proof.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: colapanther13 on March 10, 2016, 01:36:45 PM
At the very least, I think they should move the earlier rounds to a smaller venue. TSU's gym would be an excellent option. To say that there are even a hundred people in the stands at some of those games would be a stretch. Why play those games at the Toyota Center if the arena is only at around 1% capacity? Yes, I get that players like the feeling of playing where the Houston Rockets play...but at what point do all the pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media begin to damage the SWAC brand?

Bluedog the "benefit" to moving would be to limit the perceived "damage to the SWAC brand" due to all the games in an empty arena and "pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media"

This isn't my opinion (I don't have a dog in the hunt), but I believe that is the gist of the question

This


So how much has  this make believe damage  cost the conference?  And is it real money or monopoly money?

If there is any other make believe damage please elaborate by offering any make believe evidence that you have.



Clearly this is a sore subject for you. Not one poster has mentioned any financial damage keeping the tournament at the Toyota Center would cause the conference. The pictures I posted are very real, not "make believe." You simply cannot deny that attendance at this year's tournament so far is very poor. Given that fact, I think it's plenty fair to discuss the possibility of moving the tournament to a more appropriately sized venue.



Chief the only thing that's clear is that you can't  articulate any damages that's  being cause other then what you've  made up in your mind.

If I'm wrong I welcome any  real evidence that you care to present

I provided pictures. Visual evidence is literally the strongest form of evidence I can provide. You on the other hand, have yet to provide any reasonable rebuttal to said pictures.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: ‘87 Alum on March 10, 2016, 01:45:02 PM
No, the student-athletes are the ones who matter most in this.  The players love playing in an NBA venue and the conference is making a profit regardless.  So there is no harm in playing in Toyota Center.  The televised championship game will likely be as it has been the last 2 seasons with respectable attendance.

True. But I wonder if you polled those same student athletes about playing in front of empty seats at an NBA arena or playing in front of fans in a D-1 arena, which would be a higher priority. Keep in mind, most if not all, played AAU so they are accustomed to playing in larger venues.

So, in your opinion, what's a respectable attendance for these conference tournament games?  And more importantly, since the conference is profiting from this, what must they do differently to attract more fans and locals to join the fun at an NBA arena?


That's a huge assumption.  Not that it matters one way or the other. But it is a huge assumption without any proof.

You want proof. I looked at Southern's roster and randomly picked one athlete - Brendon Ganaway. Dude played on TJ Ford's Elite AAU team. I rest my case. I've not seen a single second of a Southern hoops game in at least two years so I don't even know if dude is getting any run or not. I stand by my assertion that most of these young athletes in the SWAC have played AAU ball and played in larger venues before.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: bluedog on March 10, 2016, 01:57:40 PM
At the very least, I think they should move the earlier rounds to a smaller venue. TSU's gym would be an excellent option. To say that there are even a hundred people in the stands at some of those games would be a stretch. Why play those games at the Toyota Center if the arena is only at around 1% capacity? Yes, I get that players like the feeling of playing where the Houston Rockets play...but at what point do all the pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media begin to damage the SWAC brand?

Bluedog the "benefit" to moving would be to limit the perceived "damage to the SWAC brand" due to all the games in an empty arena and "pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media"

This isn't my opinion (I don't have a dog in the hunt), but I believe that is the gist of the question

This


So how much has  this make believe damage  cost the conference?  And is it real money or monopoly money?

If there is any other make believe damage please elaborate by offering any make believe evidence that you have.



Clearly this is a sore subject for you. Not one poster has mentioned any financial damage keeping the tournament at the Toyota Center would cause the conference. The pictures I posted are very real, not "make believe." You simply cannot deny that attendance at this year's tournament so far is very poor. Given that fact, I think it's plenty fair to discuss the possibility of moving the tournament to a more appropriately sized venue.



Chief the only thing that's clear is that you can't  articulate any damages that's  being cause other then what you've  made up in your mind.

If I'm wrong I welcome any  real evidence that you care to present

I provided pictures. Visual evidence is literally the strongest form of evidence I can provide. You on the other hand, have yet to provide any reasonable rebuttal to said pictures.

Clearly  you have a poor understanding of what the word damage means. 
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: colapanther13 on March 10, 2016, 02:06:28 PM
At the very least, I think they should move the earlier rounds to a smaller venue. TSU's gym would be an excellent option. To say that there are even a hundred people in the stands at some of those games would be a stretch. Why play those games at the Toyota Center if the arena is only at around 1% capacity? Yes, I get that players like the feeling of playing where the Houston Rockets play...but at what point do all the pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media begin to damage the SWAC brand?

Bluedog the "benefit" to moving would be to limit the perceived "damage to the SWAC brand" due to all the games in an empty arena and "pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media"

This isn't my opinion (I don't have a dog in the hunt), but I believe that is the gist of the question

This


So how much has  this make believe damage  cost the conference?  And is it real money or monopoly money?

If there is any other make believe damage please elaborate by offering any make believe evidence that you have.



Clearly this is a sore subject for you. Not one poster has mentioned any financial damage keeping the tournament at the Toyota Center would cause the conference. The pictures I posted are very real, not "make believe." You simply cannot deny that attendance at this year's tournament so far is very poor. Given that fact, I think it's plenty fair to discuss the possibility of moving the tournament to a more appropriately sized venue.



Chief the only thing that's clear is that you can't  articulate any damages that's  being cause other then what you've  made up in your mind.

If I'm wrong I welcome any  real evidence that you care to present

I provided pictures. Visual evidence is literally the strongest form of evidence I can provide. You on the other hand, have yet to provide any reasonable rebuttal to said pictures.

Clearly  you have a poor understanding of what the word damage means. 

It's interesting that you appear to be the only in this thread with that assessment. It's also interesting that even you still won't (and really can't) deny that having that many empty seats...at any point in the tournament....isn't a good look for any conference tournament.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: bluedog on March 10, 2016, 02:09:31 PM
No, the student-athletes are the ones who matter most in this.  The players love playing in an NBA venue and the conference is making a profit regardless.  So there is no harm in playing in Toyota Center.  The televised championship game will likely be as it has been the last 2 seasons with respectable attendance.

True. But I wonder if you polled those same student athletes about playing in front of empty seats at an NBA arena or playing in front of fans in a D-1 arena, which would be a higher priority. Keep in mind, most if not all, played AAU so they are accustomed to playing in larger venues.

So, in your opinion, what's a respectable attendance for these conference tournament games?  And more importantly, since the conference is profiting from this, what must they do differently to attract more fans and locals to join the fun at an NBA arena?


That's a huge assumption.  Not that it matters one way or the other. But it is a huge assumption without any proof.

You want proof. I looked at Southern's roster and randomly picked one athlete - Brendon Ganaway. Dude played on TJ Ford's Elite AAU team. I rest my case. I've not seen a single second of a Southern hoops game in at least two years so I don't even know if dude is getting any run or not. I stand by my assertion that most of these young athletes in the SWAC have played AAU ball and played in larger venues before.


Yeah I know that's  the new catch phrase now. "I Stand by........" as if that some how that legitimizes an accusation or assumption.

As I said..."Not that it matters one way or the other"  It's still a huge assumption and one player out of what?   150?

Isn't confirmation that is the case. Either way it's just another thread making wild assumptions about student athletes base on nothing more then pure speculation.

Kind of reminds me of the hot topic of discussion about how the SWAC was cheating the students athlete by not participating in  the playoffs. As if the students were so dumb that they were aware when they sign their NOI the SWAC didn't participate in the playoffs and some how they were mislead or tricked.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: bluedog on March 10, 2016, 02:12:02 PM
At the very least, I think they should move the earlier rounds to a smaller venue. TSU's gym would be an excellent option. To say that there are even a hundred people in the stands at some of those games would be a stretch. Why play those games at the Toyota Center if the arena is only at around 1% capacity? Yes, I get that players like the feeling of playing where the Houston Rockets play...but at what point do all the pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media begin to damage the SWAC brand?

Bluedog the "benefit" to moving would be to limit the perceived "damage to the SWAC brand" due to all the games in an empty arena and "pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media"

This isn't my opinion (I don't have a dog in the hunt), but I believe that is the gist of the question

This


So how much has  this make believe damage  cost the conference?  And is it real money or monopoly money?

If there is any other make believe damage please elaborate by offering any make believe evidence that you have.



Clearly this is a sore subject for you. Not one poster has mentioned any financial damage keeping the tournament at the Toyota Center would cause the conference. The pictures I posted are very real, not "make believe." You simply cannot deny that attendance at this year's tournament so far is very poor. Given that fact, I think it's plenty fair to discuss the possibility of moving the tournament to a more appropriately sized venue.



Chief the only thing that's clear is that you can't  articulate any damages that's  being cause other then what you've  made up in your mind.

If I'm wrong I welcome any  real evidence that you care to present

I provided pictures. Visual evidence is literally the strongest form of evidence I can provide. You on the other hand, have yet to provide any reasonable rebuttal to said pictures.

Clearly  you have a poor understanding of what the word damage means. 

It's interesting that you appear to be the only in this thread with that assessment. It's also interesting that even you still won't (and really can't) deny that having that many empty seats...at any point in the tournament....isn't a good look for any conference tournament.

What's  really interesting.  You still can't come up with one example of how the conference is damage.

Sign: anxiously awaiting
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: colapanther13 on March 10, 2016, 02:15:59 PM
At the very least, I think they should move the earlier rounds to a smaller venue. TSU's gym would be an excellent option. To say that there are even a hundred people in the stands at some of those games would be a stretch. Why play those games at the Toyota Center if the arena is only at around 1% capacity? Yes, I get that players like the feeling of playing where the Houston Rockets play...but at what point do all the pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media begin to damage the SWAC brand?

Bluedog the "benefit" to moving would be to limit the perceived "damage to the SWAC brand" due to all the games in an empty arena and "pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media"

This isn't my opinion (I don't have a dog in the hunt), but I believe that is the gist of the question

This


So how much has  this make believe damage  cost the conference?  And is it real money or monopoly money?

If there is any other make believe damage please elaborate by offering any make believe evidence that you have.



Clearly this is a sore subject for you. Not one poster has mentioned any financial damage keeping the tournament at the Toyota Center would cause the conference. The pictures I posted are very real, not "make believe." You simply cannot deny that attendance at this year's tournament so far is very poor. Given that fact, I think it's plenty fair to discuss the possibility of moving the tournament to a more appropriately sized venue.



Chief the only thing that's clear is that you can't  articulate any damages that's  being cause other then what you've  made up in your mind.

If I'm wrong I welcome any  real evidence that you care to present

I provided pictures. Visual evidence is literally the strongest form of evidence I can provide. You on the other hand, have yet to provide any reasonable rebuttal to said pictures.

Clearly  you have a poor understanding of what the word damage means. 

It's interesting that you appear to be the only in this thread with that assessment. It's also interesting that even you still won't (and really can't) deny that having that many empty seats...at any point in the tournament....isn't a good look for any conference tournament.

What's  really interesting.  You still can't come up with one example of how the conference is damage.

Sign: anxiously awaiting

Show me where I said the SWAC is currently being damaged from poor attendance. The question that I asked was clearly hypothetical. Again, you're missing the point entirely.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: bluedog on March 10, 2016, 02:26:57 PM
At the very least, I think they should move the earlier rounds to a smaller venue. TSU's gym would be an excellent option. To say that there are even a hundred people in the stands at some of those games would be a stretch. Why play those games at the Toyota Center if the arena is only at around 1% capacity? Yes, I get that players like the feeling of playing where the Houston Rockets play...but at what point do all the pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media begin to damage the SWAC brand?


Oops!
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: colapanther13 on March 10, 2016, 02:30:44 PM
At the very least, I think they should move the earlier rounds to a smaller venue. TSU's gym would be an excellent option. To say that there are even a hundred people in the stands at some of those games would be a stretch. Why play those games at the Toyota Center if the arena is only at around 1% capacity? Yes, I get that players like the feeling of playing where the Houston Rockets play...but at what point do all the pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media begin to damage the SWAC brand?


Oops!

Perhaps you missed the "but at what point" part of the question. Again, clearly a hypothetical question and not an assessment of the current state of the SWAC.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: bluedog on March 10, 2016, 02:36:02 PM
At the very least, I think they should move the earlier rounds to a smaller venue. TSU's gym would be an excellent option. To say that there are even a hundred people in the stands at some of those games would be a stretch. Why play those games at the Toyota Center if the arena is only at around 1% capacity? Yes, I get that players like the feeling of playing where the Houston Rockets play...but at what point do all the pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media begin to damage the SWAC brand?


Oops!

Perhaps you missed the "but at what point" part of the question. Again, clearly a hypothetical question and not an assessment of the current state of the SWAC.


Do you mean  like make believe?   Yeah obviously I missed that part.



So how much has  this make believe damage  cost the conference?  And is it real money or monopoly money?

If there is any other make believe damage please elaborate by offering any make believe evidence that you have.




Now will you make believe to answer the make believe questions?
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: colapanther13 on March 10, 2016, 02:37:28 PM
At the very least, I think they should move the earlier rounds to a smaller venue. TSU's gym would be an excellent option. To say that there are even a hundred people in the stands at some of those games would be a stretch. Why play those games at the Toyota Center if the arena is only at around 1% capacity? Yes, I get that players like the feeling of playing where the Houston Rockets play...but at what point do all the pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media begin to damage the SWAC brand?


Oops!

Perhaps you missed the "but at what point" part of the question. Again, clearly a hypothetical question and not an assessment of the current state of the SWAC.


Do you mean  like make believe?   Yeah obviously I missed that part.



So how much has  this make believe damage  cost the conference?  And is it real money or monopoly money?

If there is any other make believe damage please elaborate by offering any make believe evidence that you have.



I'm beginning to think I may never get a single word of meaningful discussion out of you and I hate when threads get hijacked by back and forth arguing so I think we may just have to agree to disagree here.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: jag4life on March 10, 2016, 02:37:51 PM
No, the student-athletes are the ones who matter most in this.  The players love playing in an NBA venue and the conference is making a profit regardless.  So there is no harm in playing in Toyota Center.  The televised championship game will likely be as it has been the last 2 seasons with respectable attendance.

True. But I wonder if you polled those same student athletes about playing in front of empty seats at an NBA arena or playing in front of fans in a D-1 arena, which would be a higher priority. Keep in mind, most if not all, played AAU so they are accustomed to playing in larger venues.

So, in your opinion, what's a respectable attendance for these conference tournament games?  And more importantly, since the conference is profiting from this, what must they do differently to attract more fans and locals to join the fun at an NBA arena?

I seriously doubt anyone, including TSU players, would rather play the tourney at TSU.  

And AAU games are mostly in small gyms.  LOL  Where you been?
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: bluedog on March 10, 2016, 02:39:36 PM
At the very least, I think they should move the earlier rounds to a smaller venue. TSU's gym would be an excellent option. To say that there are even a hundred people in the stands at some of those games would be a stretch. Why play those games at the Toyota Center if the arena is only at around 1% capacity? Yes, I get that players like the feeling of playing where the Houston Rockets play...but at what point do all the pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media begin to damage the SWAC brand?


Oops!

Perhaps you missed the "but at what point" part of the question. Again, clearly a hypothetical question and not an assessment of the current state of the SWAC.


Do you mean  like make believe?   Yeah obviously I missed that part.



So how much has  this make believe damage  cost the conference?  And is it real money or monopoly money?

If there is any other make believe damage please elaborate by offering any make believe evidence that you have.



I'm beginning to think I may never get a single word of meaningful discussion out of you and I hate when threads get hijacked by back and forth arguing so I think we may just have to agree to disagree here.


In other words you can't even anewer your own make believe situation
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: jag4life on March 10, 2016, 02:41:05 PM
I saw that same TJ Ford "elite" team play in a gym with just enough bleachers for about 200 people combined (2 courts).  Most of the Nike EYBL games are regularly played in small high school gyms in front of a couple hundred to 1000 fans at most.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: bluedog on March 10, 2016, 02:48:51 PM
I saw that same TJ Ford "elite" team play in a gym with just enough bleachers for about 200 people combined (2 courts).  Most of the Nike EYBL games are regularly played in small high school gyms in front of a couple hundred to 1000 fans at most.


Exactly
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: colapanther13 on March 10, 2016, 02:49:51 PM
Well let's try answering a real life situation.  Since ciaa fans travel every year to their tournament event and it's  a well known fact that they generate at least about $55 million that's pump into the economy.

Yet instead of going to the games they hang around partying and making other people rich. Then turn around and complain about folks leaving their neighborhood because they don't want to deal with the congestion.

Why are they still playing in a 20,050 seat arena in front of zero recorded attendance instead of one of the schools gym?

Do you think that they should seriously consider moving the games?

How much damage to their brand do you think they are doing?



The CIAA actually is moving their earlier round games to a smaller venue starting next year.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: bluedog on March 10, 2016, 02:50:06 PM
At the very least, I think they should move the earlier rounds to a smaller venue. TSU's gym would be an excellent option. To say that there are even a hundred people in the stands at some of those games would be a stretch. Why play those games at the Toyota Center if the arena is only at around 1% capacity? Yes, I get that players like the feeling of playing where the Houston Rockets play...but at what point do all the pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media begin to damage the SWAC brand?


Oops!

Perhaps you missed the "but at what point" part of the question. Again, clearly a hypothetical question and not an assessment of the current state of the SWAC.


Do you mean  like make believe?   Yeah obviously I missed that part.



So how much has  this make believe damage  cost the conference?  And is it real money or monopoly money?

If there is any other make believe damage please elaborate by offering any make believe evidence that you have.



I'm beginning to think I may never get a single word of meaningful discussion out of you and I hate when threads get hijacked by back and forth arguing so I think we may just have to agree to disagree here.


Well let's try answering a real life situation.  Since ciaa fans travel every year to their tournament event and it's  a well known fact that they generate at least about $55 million that's pump into the economy.

Yet instead of going to the games they hang around partying and making other people rich. Then turn around and complain about folks leaving their neighborhood because they don't want to deal with the congestion.

Why are they still playing in a 20,050 seat arena in front of zero recorded attendance instead of one of the schools gym?

Do you think that they should seriously consider moving the games?

How much damage to their brand do you think they are doing?

Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: bluedog on March 10, 2016, 02:51:27 PM
Well let's try answering a real life situation.  Since ciaa fans travel every year to their tournament event and it's  a well known fact that they generate at least about $55 million that's pump into the economy.

Yet instead of going to the games they hang around partying and making other people rich. Then turn around and complain about folks leaving their neighborhood because they don't want to deal with the congestion.

Why are they still playing in a 20,050 seat arena in front of zero recorded attendance instead of one of the schools gym?

Do you think that they should seriously consider moving the games?

How much damage to their brand do you think they are doing?



The CIAA actually is moving their earlier round games to a smaller venue starting next year.


You have a real issue with answering the questions you are actually asked don't  you?
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: ‘87 Alum on March 10, 2016, 02:55:18 PM
Maybe that's what y'all are used to but not my experiences.  Man, y'all tripping. E1T1 and the likes ain't playing in no elementary school, Cracker Jack gym. Most of these teams heavily recruit and bring in the best players from the region to field a mega team. And I seriously doubt TJ Ford gonna have some roody poot team.

Well, I am done. Y'all carry on with them seats filled with make believe fans in them......glad it's profitable for the conference. Onward & upward!!
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: colapanther13 on March 10, 2016, 02:55:51 PM
Well let's try answering a real life situation.  Since ciaa fans travel every year to their tournament event and it's  a well known fact that they generate at least about $55 million that's pump into the economy.

Yet instead of going to the games they hang around partying and making other people rich. Then turn around and complain about folks leaving their neighborhood because they don't want to deal with the congestion.

Why are they still playing in a 20,050 seat arena in front of zero recorded attendance instead of one of the schools gym?

Do you think that they should seriously consider moving the games?

How much damage to their brand do you think they are doing?



The CIAA actually is moving their earlier round games to a smaller venue starting next year.


You have a real issue with answering the questions you are actually asked don't  you?

Your entire post about the CIAA is invalid because they obviously saw enough of a problem with their early week attendance to move it to a smaller venue. I answered the entire post with that one statement.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: bluedog on March 10, 2016, 02:58:38 PM
Well let's try answering a real life situation.  Since ciaa fans travel every year to their tournament event and it's  a well known fact that they generate at least about $55 million that's pump into the economy.

Yet instead of going to the games they hang around partying and making other people rich. Then turn around and complain about folks leaving their neighborhood because they don't want to deal with the congestion.

Why are they still playing in a 20,050 seat arena in front of zero recorded attendance instead of one of the schools gym?

Do you think that they should seriously consider moving the games?

How much damage to their brand do you think they are doing?



The CIAA actually is moving their earlier round games to a smaller venue starting next year.


You have a real issue with answering the questions you are actually asked don't  you?

Your entire post about the CIAA is invalid because they obviously saw enough of a problem with their early week attendance to move it to a smaller venue. I answered the entire post with that one statement.


Sure you did bruh. I'm  just making believe that I missed it.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: ‘87 Alum on March 10, 2016, 02:59:18 PM
I saw that same TJ Ford "elite" team play in a gym with just enough bleachers for about 200 people combined (2 courts).  Most of the Nike EYBL games are regularly played in small high school gyms in front of a couple hundred to 1000 fans at most.


Exactly

And what was the avg conference attendance for home games? 1,267 for the entire conference.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: jag4life on March 10, 2016, 02:59:24 PM
Maybe that's what y'all are used to but not my experiences.  Man, y'all tripping. E1T1 and the likes ain't playing in no elementary school, Cracker Jack gym. Most of these teams heavily recruit and bring in the best players from the region to field a mega team. And I seriously doubt TJ Ford gonna have some roody poot team.

Well, I am done. Y'all carry on with them seats filled with make believe fans in them......glad it's profitable for the conference. Onward & upward!!

I said small high school gym.  Not elementary.  I have not been to any of the tournaments on the East Coast but I know for sure in Houston, Dallas, Vegas, etc they aren't playing in ARENAS on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: bluedog on March 10, 2016, 03:01:11 PM
Maybe that's what y'all are used to but not my experiences.  Man, y'all tripping. E1T1 and the likes ain't playing in no elementary school, Cracker Jack gym. Most of these teams heavily recruit and bring in the best players from the region to field a mega team. And I seriously doubt TJ Ford gonna have some roody poot team.

Well, I am done. Y'all carry on with them seats filled with make believe fans in them......glad it's profitable for the conference. Onward & upward!!


Well, 87 since it's OUR conferences and OUR student athletes.  Doesn't it make sense for us to base our answers on OUR experience and not yours?  ijs
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: ‘87 Alum on March 10, 2016, 03:12:56 PM
Maybe that's what y'all are used to but not my experiences.  Man, y'all tripping. E1T1 and the likes ain't playing in no elementary school, Cracker Jack gym. Most of these teams heavily recruit and bring in the best players from the region to field a mega team. And I seriously doubt TJ Ford gonna have some roody poot team.

Well, I am done. Y'all carry on with them seats filled with make believe fans in them......glad it's profitable for the conference. Onward & upward!!

I said small high school gym.  Not elementary.  I have not been to any of the tournaments on the East Coast but I know for sure in Houston, Dallas, Vegas, etc they aren't playing in ARENAS on a regular basis.

I fail to comprehend how a money making organization would sponsor a tournament in a 200 capacity gym. I've traveled to see my nephew play in Vegas, Orlando, Indy and LA for his AAU team and trust me, these were high school and college gyms/arenas and your avg cost to enter was $15 and up.  Most of these places sat 2000 and up. AAU is all about making money. They ain't putting on showcase games and events in no 200 seat gym.

And back to my original point, I still say most have played in larger venues more frequently than they will experience the NBA arena. Yet y'all still ducking my question about the players wanting to play in front of fans. But I guess since its your experience to be in empty gyms, then maybe y'all used to it.

Audi 5000 G
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: bluedog on March 10, 2016, 03:51:08 PM
Maybe that's what y'all are used to but not my experiences.  Man, y'all tripping. E1T1 and the likes ain't playing in no elementary school, Cracker Jack gym. Most of these teams heavily recruit and bring in the best players from the region to field a mega team. And I seriously doubt TJ Ford gonna have some roody poot team.

Well, I am done. Y'all carry on with them seats filled with make believe fans in them......glad it's profitable for the conference. Onward & upward!!

I said small high school gym.  Not elementary.  I have not been to any of the tournaments on the East Coast but I know for sure in Houston, Dallas, Vegas, etc they aren't playing in ARENAS on a regular basis.

I fail to comprehend how a money making organization would sponsor a tournament in a 200 capacity gym. I've traveled to see my nephew play in Vegas, Orlando, Indy and LA for his AAU team and trust me, these were high school and college gyms/arenas and your avg cost to enter was $15 and up.  Most of these places sat 2000 and up. AAU is all about making money. They ain't putting on showcase games and events in no 200 seat gym.

And back to my original point, I still say most have played in larger venues more frequently than they will experience the NBA arena. Yet y'all still ducking my question about the players wanting to play in front of fans. But I guess since its your experience to be in empty gyms, then maybe y'all used to it.

Audi 5000 G


Yep!

As for the question if players want to play in front fans. That's  kind of a ridiculous question to ask don't you think?

The real question you should be asking yourself is "Do they seem unhappy playing?" I mean it's  no different  then the ciaa playing in front of a zero recorded attendance is it?

Except that we don't  pump millions of dollars into someone else economy on partying all week and not even support our own, then turn around and complain that the locals don't want to attend.

Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Que82 on March 10, 2016, 04:07:39 PM
These are just some of the pics I found on Instagram. Keep in mind that these were all taken during actual games.

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I don't know much about the SWAC, but it looks to me like this tournament should take place in somebody's gym and not an NBA arena.
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Pot, you are absolutely correct!  Where should this be played????

Signed

Kettle

 ::)  :tiptoe:
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Que82 on March 10, 2016, 04:13:43 PM
In my opinion on a discussion on BB tournament attendance, posters from the SIAC should be (http://spiritualcompassconnection.com/images/monkeys.jpg)  :shrug: :tiptoe:
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: colapanther13 on March 10, 2016, 04:30:52 PM
Not one time did I ever say the SIAC didn't have an attendance problem. I'm probably the single most outspoken critic of the SIAC moving their tournament to Birmingham. Even so, none of that negates any of the points that have been brought up thus far.

And it's not like the SIAC holds their tournament in an 18,000 seat arena so the two situations are more like apples and oranges.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: colapanther13 on March 10, 2016, 04:40:05 PM
But seriously, I said from day 1 that moving the SIAC Tourney back to Birmingham was the absolute dumbest decision ever. At least people actually want to go to Houston. No one ever goes to Birmingham unless they're being forced to....but that's neither here nor there.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: jag4life on March 10, 2016, 04:50:52 PM


Maybe that's what y'all are used to but not my experiences.  Man, y'all tripping. E1T1 and the likes ain't playing in no elementary school, Cracker Jack gym. Most of these teams heavily recruit and bring in the best players from the region to field a mega team. And I seriously doubt TJ Ford gonna have some roody poot team. 

Well, I am done. Y'all carry on with them seats filled with make believe fans in them......glad it's profitable for the conference. Onward & upward!!

I said small high school gym.  Not elementary.  I have not been to any of the tournaments on the East Coast but I know for sure in Houston, Dallas, Vegas, etc they aren't playing in ARENAS on a regular basis.

I fail to comprehend how a money making organization would sponsor a tournament in a 200 capacity gym. I've traveled to see my nephew play in Vegas, Orlando, Indy and LA for his AAU team and trust me, these were high school and college gyms/arenas and your avg cost to enter was $15 and up.  Most of these places sat 2000 and up. AAU is all about making money. They ain't putting on showcase games and events in no 200 seat gym. 

And back to my original point, I still say most have played in larger venues more frequently than they will experience the NBA arena. Yet y'all still ducking my question about the players wanting to play in front of fans. But I guess since its your experience to be in empty gyms, then maybe y'all used to it. 

Audi 5000 G

You said arenas.  Arenas don't seat just 2000 people. But for example... Nike ends their EYBL season at the Peach Jam.  The facility they use seats a COMBINED 1,200 people on 2 courts.  Basically 600/court.  This is for the very best players on the summer circuit.  The Andrew Wiggins, Ben Simmons, DeAngelo Russells, and Malik Monks of the world.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: ncsiacfan on March 10, 2016, 06:35:51 PM
I could not find anything on the hometown Texas Southern University game at 8pm. But attendance of the 3pm game of 339 yesterday would very much put the SWAC in the SIAC category.  So I guess that you can say that the SIAC  is competitive with the SWAC.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: bluedog on March 10, 2016, 06:38:59 PM
I could not find anything on the hometown Texas Southern University game at 8pm. But attendance of the 3pm game of 339 yesterday would very much put the SWAC in the SIAC category.  So I guess that you can say that the SIAC  is competitive with the SWAC.

 
Talk about being all in the kool-aid and not knowing the flavor.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: y04185 on March 10, 2016, 06:42:14 PM
I've enjoyed reading this thread.

The SWAC is like most conference tournaments.  The arenas aren't full.  This week you will see conference championship games in smaller venues with 10% or less occupancy.  I think it's asking too much of a conference to have  sellouts at the conference tournaments.  
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Que82 on March 10, 2016, 07:38:38 PM
Not one time did I ever say the SIAC didn't have an attendance problem. I'm probably the single most outspoken critic of the SIAC moving their tournament to Birmingham. Even so, none of that negates any of the points that have been brought up thus far.

And it's not like the SIAC holds their tournament in an 18,000 seat arena so the two situations are more like apples and oranges.

No you didn't say it but you didn't start a thread about it either. How many times did you attend the tournament in Atlanta????? I attended several and you didn't fill up one side of Morehouse and nor are you filling up W.F. Harris.  Empty is empty whether it's 18k empty or 6k empty, whether its an NBA arena or whether its a rec gym.  Actually,  it's apples and cow patties  since you have 5 member schools within a 2 1/2 hour radius.  ::)  Criticism without participation is straight up bulls**t.  If no one made a comment about your empty a**  tournament I'm not sure why you felt obligated to highlight ours.   ::)  You came on another thread talking about why people didn't bring their pep band and cheerleaders when your pep band can travel in a Prius and you don't have expenses the other schools have.  If they did bring them, were you there to see them????  ::)  I get so tired of the crab a**  comments that come up on this freaking board.  Since what we eat don't make you s**t, I'm having a hard time fathoming this faux concern about our tournament.  ::)

By the way the first few games of your tournament there were less than 30 people in attendance so maybe y'all should consider moving to somebody's back yard for the early sessions.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Que82 on March 10, 2016, 07:44:36 PM
I could not find anything on the hometown Texas Southern University game at 8pm. But attendance of the 3pm game of 339 yesterday would very much put the SWAC in the SIAC category.  So I guess that you can say that the SIAC  is competitive with the SWAC.

Your first few games each day had less than 30 people, 33 when Claflin's pep band showed up. :shrug:
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: ‘87 Alum on March 10, 2016, 07:47:32 PM
I could not find anything on the hometown Texas Southern University game at 8pm. But attendance of the 3pm game of 339 yesterday would very much put the SWAC in the SIAC category.  So I guess that you can say that the SIAC  is competitive with the SWAC.

Your first few games each day had less than 30 people, 33 when Claflin's pep band showed up. :shrug:

:lmao:

Did Skegee bring the beat-down crew for the women's game?
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: colapanther13 on March 10, 2016, 08:15:53 PM
Not one time did I ever say the SIAC didn't have an attendance problem. I'm probably the single most outspoken critic of the SIAC moving their tournament to Birmingham. Even so, none of that negates any of the points that have been brought up thus far.

And it's not like the SIAC holds their tournament in an 18,000 seat arena so the two situations are more like apples and oranges.

No you didn't say it but you didn't start a thread about it either. How many times did you attend the tournament in Atlanta????? I attended several and you didn't fill up one side of Morehouse and nor are you filling up W.F. Harris.  Empty is empty whether it's 18k empty or 6k empty, whether its an NBA arena or whether its a rec gym.  Actually,  it's apples and cow patties  since you have 5 member schools within a 2 1/2 hour radius.  ::)  Criticism without participation is straight up bulls**t.  If no one made a comment about your empty a**  tournament I'm not sure why you felt obligated to highlight ours.   ::)  You came on another thread talking about why people didn't bring their pep band and cheerleaders when your pep band can travel in a Prius and you don't have expenses the other schools have.  If they did bring them, were you there to see them????  ::)  I get so tired of the crab a**  comments that come up on this freaking board.  Since what we eat don't make you s**t, I'm having a hard time fathoming this faux concern about our tournament.  ::)

By the way the first few games of your tournament there were less than 30 people in attendance so maybe y'all should consider moving to somebody's back yard for the early sessions.


How does anything Claflin University does somehow make anything I've said in this thread untrue? Or for that matter, how does it even apply to the conversation? I can assure you that I don't have any say in any of their doings.

Since you seem to have such a great memory of everything I post, I would expect you to know that I've never had a problem criticizing the SIAC's shenanigans. I worked for the conference for all four tournaments in Atlanta from 2010-2013. I know exactly how slack they are from top to bottom.

I'm not sure where all this butthurt is coming from but it's interesting to me how the only two posters in this thread who have such a problem with what I posted are both indirectly affiliated with the SWAC. This is still a discussion forum isn't it? Or are we no longer alowed to start threads that may hurt someone's feelings?
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Que82 on March 10, 2016, 08:49:50 PM
Not one time did I ever say the SIAC didn't have an attendance problem. I'm probably the single most outspoken critic of the SIAC moving their tournament to Birmingham. Even so, none of that negates any of the points that have been brought up thus far.

And it's not like the SIAC holds their tournament in an 18,000 seat arena so the two situations are more like apples and oranges.

No you didn't say it but you didn't start a thread about it either. How many times did you attend the tournament in Atlanta????? I attended several and you didn't fill up one side of Morehouse and nor are you filling up W.F. Harris.  Empty is empty whether it's 18k empty or 6k empty, whether its an NBA arena or whether its a rec gym.  Actually,  it's apples and cow patties  since you have 5 member schools within a 2 1/2 hour radius.  ::)  Criticism without participation is straight up bulls**t.  If no one made a comment about your empty a**  tournament I'm not sure why you felt obligated to highlight ours.   ::)  You came on another thread talking about why people didn't bring their pep band and cheerleaders when your pep band can travel in a Prius and you don't have expenses the other schools have.  If they did bring them, were you there to see them????  ::)  I get so tired of the crab a**  comments that come up on this freaking board.  Since what we eat don't make you s**t, I'm having a hard time fathoming this faux concern about our tournament.  ::)

By the way the first few games of your tournament there were less than 30 people in attendance so maybe y'all should consider moving to somebody's back yard for the early sessions.


How does anything Claflin University does somehow make anything I've said in this thread untrue? Or for that matter, how does it even apply to the conversation? I can assure you that I don't have any say in any of their doings.

Since you seem to have such a great memory of everything I post, I would expect you to know that I've never had a problem criticizing the SIAC's shenanigans. I worked for the conference for all four tournaments in Atlanta from 2010-2013. I know exactly how slack they are from top to bottom.

I'm not sure where all this butthurt is coming from but it's interesting to me how the only two posters in this thread who have such a problem with what I posted are both indirectly affiliated with the SWAC. This is still a discussion forum isn't it? Or are we no longer alowed to start threads that may hurt someone's feelings?

Please share the salient point of your thread/comments????  So if you start a bulls**t thread you should be prepared for bulls**t responses. ::)  If you worked for the conference I now understand what the problem was in Atlanta. The two of us who you mentioned are allergic to bulls**t thus we responded.  Newsflash: if you were working for the conference you were part of the slackness.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: colapanther13 on March 10, 2016, 09:04:18 PM
Not one time did I ever say the SIAC didn't have an attendance problem. I'm probably the single most outspoken critic of the SIAC moving their tournament to Birmingham. Even so, none of that negates any of the points that have been brought up thus far.

And it's not like the SIAC holds their tournament in an 18,000 seat arena so the two situations are more like apples and oranges.

No you didn't say it but you didn't start a thread about it either. How many times did you attend the tournament in Atlanta????? I attended several and you didn't fill up one side of Morehouse and nor are you filling up W.F. Harris.  Empty is empty whether it's 18k empty or 6k empty, whether its an NBA arena or whether its a rec gym.  Actually,  it's apples and cow patties  since you have 5 member schools within a 2 1/2 hour radius.  ::)  Criticism without participation is straight up bulls**t.  If no one made a comment about your empty a**  tournament I'm not sure why you felt obligated to highlight ours.   ::)  You came on another thread talking about why people didn't bring their pep band and cheerleaders when your pep band can travel in a Prius and you don't have expenses the other schools have.  If they did bring them, were you there to see them????  ::)  I get so tired of the crab a**  comments that come up on this freaking board.  Since what we eat don't make you s**t, I'm having a hard time fathoming this faux concern about our tournament.  ::)

By the way the first few games of your tournament there were less than 30 people in attendance so maybe y'all should consider moving to somebody's back yard for the early sessions.


How does anything Claflin University does somehow make anything I've said in this thread untrue? Or for that matter, how does it even apply to the conversation? I can assure you that I don't have any say in any of their doings.

Since you seem to have such a great memory of everything I post, I would expect you to know that I've never had a problem criticizing the SIAC's shenanigans. I worked for the conference for all four tournaments in Atlanta from 2010-2013. I know exactly how slack they are from top to bottom.

I'm not sure where all this butthurt is coming from but it's interesting to me how the only two posters in this thread who have such a problem with what I posted are both indirectly affiliated with the SWAC. This is still a discussion forum isn't it? Or are we no longer alowed to start threads that may hurt someone's feelings?

Please share the salient point of your thread/comments????  So if you start a bulls**t thread you should be prepared for bulls**t responses. ::)  If you worked for the conference I now understand what the problem was in Atlanta. The two of us who you mentioned are allergic to bulls**t thus we responded.  Newsflash: if you were working for the conference you were part of the slackness.

"Allergic to bulls**t" and "not answering the question" are two completely different things. My original post was clear. You choose not to see the point because the subject matter has you in your feelings, I guess. I'll give you credit though. I said I was done with the childish back-and-forth that had nothing to do with the topic of conversation and you've made me go against my word. Shame on me. I'll leave it there though. I think I've gotten about all I'm going to get out of this conversation.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: CLeB-28 on March 10, 2016, 10:44:29 PM
I think the tournament structure is flawed.

On opening day (Tuesday) you have 4 games (2 morning & 2 evening sessions). If you want to attend the second game of the morning session you will have to pay $24 or was it $26 per ticket as if you were attending both games. No exceptions. 

After morning session game 2 is over, the arena is swept removing everyone to go out and pay $24-$26 all over again for the evening session regardless if you desired to stay for one game or both.

Wednesday it was $26/$28 dollars per session.

Thursday $30; Friday even more.

Of course, if you want a pass that covers all games it'll cost you $250 plus.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Que82 on March 11, 2016, 12:37:58 AM
Not one time did I ever say the SIAC didn't have an attendance problem. I'm probably the single most outspoken critic of the SIAC moving their tournament to Birmingham. Even so, none of that negates any of the points that have been brought up thus far.

And it's not like the SIAC holds their tournament in an 18,000 seat arena so the two situations are more like apples and oranges.

No you didn't say it but you didn't start a thread about it either. How many times did you attend the tournament in Atlanta????? I attended several and you didn't fill up one side of Morehouse and nor are you filling up W.F. Harris.  Empty is empty whether it's 18k empty or 6k empty, whether its an NBA arena or whether its a rec gym.  Actually,  it's apples and cow patties  since you have 5 member schools within a 2 1/2 hour radius.  ::)  Criticism without participation is straight up bulls**t.  If no one made a comment about your empty a**  tournament I'm not sure why you felt obligated to highlight ours.   ::)  You came on another thread talking about why people didn't bring their pep band and cheerleaders when your pep band can travel in a Prius and you don't have expenses the other schools have.  If they did bring them, were you there to see them????  ::)  I get so tired of the crab a**  comments that come up on this freaking board.  Since what we eat don't make you s**t, I'm having a hard time fathoming this faux concern about our tournament.  ::)

By the way the first few games of your tournament there were less than 30 people in attendance so maybe y'all should consider moving to somebody's back yard for the early sessions.


How does anything Claflin University does somehow make anything I've said in this thread untrue? Or for that matter, how does it even apply to the conversation? I can assure you that I don't have any say in any of their doings.

Since you seem to have such a great memory of everything I post, I would expect you to know that I've never had a problem criticizing the SIAC's shenanigans. I worked for the conference for all four tournaments in Atlanta from 2010-2013. I know exactly how slack they are from top to bottom.

I'm not sure where all this butthurt is coming from but it's interesting to me how the only two posters in this thread who have such a problem with what I posted are both indirectly affiliated with the SWAC. This is still a discussion forum isn't it? Or are we no longer alowed to start threads that may hurt someone's feelings?

Please share the salient point of your thread/comments????  So if you start a bulls**t thread you should be prepared for bulls**t responses. ::)  If you worked for the conference I now understand what the problem was in Atlanta. The two of us who you mentioned are allergic to bulls**t thus we responded.  Newsflash: if you were working for the conference you were part of the slackness.

"Allergic to bulls**t" and "not answering the question" are two completely different things. My original post was clear. You choose not to see the point because the subject matter has you in your feelings, I guess. I'll give you credit though. I said I was done with the childish back-and-forth that had nothing to do with the topic of conversation and you've made me go against my word. Shame on me. I'll leave it there though. I think I've gotten about all I'm going to get out of this conversation.

Please save the sanctimonious dribble for someone else.  The only point to be gleaned from this

"These are just some of the pics I found on Instagram. Keep in mind that these were all taken during actual games." and "I don't know much about the SWAC, but it looks to me like this tournament should take place in somebody's gym and not an NBA arena." is shade!!

If you think those two comments would elicit meaningful debate, then you are obviously too stupid to be posting on this board.  ::)
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: bluedog on March 11, 2016, 12:58:15 AM
Damn!  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: bluedog on March 11, 2016, 01:09:58 AM
I think the tournament structure is flawed.

On opening day (Tuesday) you have 4 games (2 morning & 2 evening sessions). If you want to attend the second game of the morning session you will have to pay $24 or was it $26 per ticket as if you were attending both games. No exceptions. 

After morning session game 2 is over, the arena is swept removing everyone to go out and pay $24-$26 all over again for the evening session regardless if you desired to stay for one game or both.

Wednesday it was $26/$28 dollars per session.

Thursday $30; Friday even more.

Of course, if you want a pass that covers all games it'll cost you $250 plus.

Yeah they really need to work on that and getting high schools involved more too.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Valley Girl on March 11, 2016, 05:30:50 AM
I think the tournament structure is flawed.

On opening day (Tuesday) you have 4 games (2 morning & 2 evening sessions). If you want to attend the second game of the morning session you will have to pay $24 or was it $26 per ticket as if you were attending both games. No exceptions. 

After morning session game 2 is over, the arena is swept removing everyone to go out and pay $24-$26 all over again for the evening session regardless if you desired to stay for one game or both.

Wednesday it was $26/$28 dollars per session.

Thursday $30; Friday even more.

Of course, if you want a pass that covers all games it'll cost you $250 plus.

You know if you had brought your @zz on this thread with this intelligent, rational response on page 1, you could have cut a lot of this unnecessary snark out.  Be quicker next time :lol:

In reading this thread I don't think colapanther was trying to be condescending or insulting.  At least it didn't appear that way to me.   Perhaps the question could have been phrased differently but I think he was genuinely trying to strike up conversation and used pictures as visuals to make his point.    We have talked as nauseum about the SIAC tournament, the lack of support, and what can be done about it; but that doesn't mean that you can't ask a question about something else.  JMO.

From what I've gathered SWAC people don't think the venue is the issue.  They've got sponsorship in place and they're satisfied - perhaps they have a plan in place to grow the tournament to get butts in the seats during the week (which can be difficult).   I don't think their brand will be "damaged" financially or otherwise by these pics though.  Just means they have room to grow.  :nod:

As far as the SIAC is concerned -  some issues are with leadership and  other issues are cultural. We 'like' basketball but we don't 'love' basketball, and the marketing sucks.   I admit I never attended the tournament while in Atlanta because 1.  It wasn't heavily marketed and I admit I didn't make it a point to find out when it was and 2.  Fighting Atlanta traffic at 5:30 PM after work to go the AU center just didn't appeal to me especially when you have other obligations as well - and taking leave to head to Birmingham is even less appealing.  I'm sure the same can be said for Houston residents. 

Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: JBROB on March 11, 2016, 06:23:04 AM
I'm not sure who attends the actual games at the CIAA, SIAC, and SWAC tournaments but most of the fans at the MEAC are retires.  The MEAC Tournament is 6 days long.  That is a lot of vacation days.  A book of tickets is also very expensive as well.  The member institutions have to find ways to attract their fans to the games. 
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Que82 on March 11, 2016, 06:26:34 AM
?????  Please excuse me, but would someone please cite this elusive question that the dude asked because I don't see it.  :shrug: I quoted his exact post and
i still don't see a question. The title "Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney" set the tone for this thread.  ::)  As far as him being condescending, I am of the opinion that if something quacks like a duck and walks like a duck then its a duck. Unless my reading and comprehension skills have totally dissipated, the first question in this thread was DES.  :shrug:  Like someone said folks have the right to post as they feel and please note I have the right to respond as I feel. In any case I've said what I wanted to say so I'm done.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Valley Girl on March 11, 2016, 08:52:12 AM
?????  Please excuse me, but would someone please cite this elusive question that the dude asked because I don't see it.  :shrug: I quoted his exact post and
i still don't see a question. The title "Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney" set the tone for this thread.  ::)  As far as him being condescending, I am of the opinion that if something quacks like a duck and walks like a duck then its a duck. Unless my reading and comprehension skills have totally dissipated, the first question in this thread was DES.  :shrug:  Like someone said folks have the right to post as they feel and please note I have the right to respond as I feel. In any case I've said what I wanted to say so I'm done.


You sound a little perturbed.  Why?   If you think he was condescending that's your right.  I don't think he was, but you see it differently and that's ok.  Your reading comprehension skills aren't in question.

If your confusion is about the word 'question', please allow me to restate my comment and say 'topic' or 'statement'.  Perhaps his STATEMENT could have been phrased differently.   All I know is he mentioned something about damaging the SWAC brand - it was a topic of conversation, not shade throwing. At least not to me.

All of us have room for improvement - making a statement and calling it out aren't necessarily bad :shrug:

With that being said, it is what it is.  Hopefully the powers that be will figure all of it out.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: ncsiacfan on March 11, 2016, 09:44:54 AM
Attendance at the 8:30 pm SIAC semi-finals: 1004.

Attendance at the 8:30 pm SWAC semi-finals:1022.

As I said, we are equals. And I repeat, I enjoyed the basketball at SIAC tournament.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: hbcu on March 11, 2016, 10:12:11 AM
Well fellas, it looks as if the SIAC, SWAC along with the MEAC are having attendance problems.  Well the CIAA has too many parties but better numbers than your tournaments.  People can't party if they don't come to your tournaments.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: JBROB on March 11, 2016, 10:13:38 AM
Well fellas, it looks as if the SIAC, SWAC along with the MEAC are having attendance problems.  Well the CIAA has too many parties but better numbers than your tournaments.  People can't party if they don't come to your tournaments.

LOL!!! The MEAC is doing fine.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: jag4life on March 11, 2016, 10:52:04 AM
I think the tournament structure is flawed.

On opening day (Tuesday) you have 4 games (2 morning & 2 evening sessions). If you want to attend the second game of the morning session you will have to pay $24 or was it $26 per ticket as if you were attending both games. No exceptions. 

After morning session game 2 is over, the arena is swept removing everyone to go out and pay $24-$26 all over again for the evening session regardless if you desired to stay for one game or both.

Wednesday it was $26/$28 dollars per session.

Thursday $30; Friday even more.

Of course, if you want a pass that covers all games it'll cost you $250 plus.

Yeah they really need to work on that and getting high schools involved more too.
Tough this week with the weather and the fact that it isn't during spring break this year as it was last year and the previous year.  I expect Friday and Saturday numbers to look much much better.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: bluedog on March 11, 2016, 11:21:21 AM
?????  Please excuse me, but would someone please cite this elusive question that the dude asked because I don't see it.  :shrug: I quoted his exact post and
i still don't see a question. The title "Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney" set the tone for this thread.  ::)  As far as him being condescending, I am of the opinion that if something quacks like a duck and walks like a duck then its a duck. Unless my reading and comprehension skills have totally dissipated, the first question in this thread was DES.  :shrug:  Like someone said folks have the right to post as they feel and please note I have the right to respond as I feel. In any case I've said what I wanted to say so I'm done.



The fact that he kept avoiding my three direct and simple questions "Why?" "What the benefits?" and "What damage?"  made it clear he was being disingenuous. 

How can you make a genuine  observation of something but when asked to give your opinion have none at all?
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: bluedog on March 11, 2016, 11:27:21 AM
Well fellas, it looks as if the SIAC, SWAC along with the MEAC are having attendance problems.  Well the CIAA has too many parties but better numbers than your tournaments.  People can't party if they don't come to your tournaments.


Actually the ciaa has recorded zero attendance in all their games this year..
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: hbcu on March 11, 2016, 12:18:52 PM
Bluedog, don't trust what you being smoking.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Valley Girl on March 11, 2016, 12:56:44 PM
I think the tournament structure is flawed.

On opening day (Tuesday) you have 4 games (2 morning & 2 evening sessions). If you want to attend the second game of the morning session you will have to pay $24 or was it $26 per ticket as if you were attending both games. No exceptions. 

After morning session game 2 is over, the arena is swept removing everyone to go out and pay $24-$26 all over again for the evening session regardless if you desired to stay for one game or both.

Wednesday it was $26/$28 dollars per session.

Thursday $30; Friday even more.

Of course, if you want a pass that covers all games it'll cost you $250 plus.

Yeah they really need to work on that and getting high schools involved more too.
Tough this week with the weather and the fact that it isn't during spring break this year as it was last year and the previous year.  I expect Friday and Saturday numbers to look much much better.

Question:

When are the TX High School Basketball Championships?   It might not be a huge factor, but if they are going on at the same time it might eat into the attendance some as well. 

Another reason I didn't attend the SIAC tournaments is because I was at the GHSA Semi Finals and Finals.  It was kind of a tradition that my dad and I established and I kept it going after he died.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: jag4life on March 11, 2016, 02:21:35 PM
I think the tournament structure is flawed.

On opening day (Tuesday) you have 4 games (2 morning & 2 evening sessions). If you want to attend the second game of the morning session you will have to pay $24 or was it $26 per ticket as if you were attending both games. No exceptions. 

After morning session game 2 is over, the arena is swept removing everyone to go out and pay $24-$26 all over again for the evening session regardless if you desired to stay for one game or both.

Wednesday it was $26/$28 dollars per session.

Thursday $30; Friday even more.

Of course, if you want a pass that covers all games it'll cost you $250 plus.

Yeah they really need to work on that and getting high schools involved more too.
Tough this week with the weather and the fact that it isn't during spring break this year as it was last year and the previous year.  I expect Friday and Saturday numbers to look much much better.

Question:

When are the TX High School Basketball Championships?   It might not be a huge factor, but if they are going on at the same time it might eat into the attendance some as well. 

Another reason I didn't attend the SIAC tournaments is because I was at the GHSA Semi Finals and Finals.  It was kind of a tradition that my dad and I established and I kept it going after he died.

Going on right now.  1 Houston team played last night and 2 will play tonight.  Not a huge factor in attendance, IMO since those games are in Austin. Fans of those schools were there last night and will be there tonight but the school with the biggest following of the three is not traditionally a SWAC fanbase. 
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: bluedog on March 11, 2016, 02:54:32 PM
Bluedog, don't trust what you being smoking.


What does that even mean?
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Bravehawk on March 11, 2016, 05:24:34 PM
I was watching the American and a couple others last night and they are very badly attended also. We will see how TxSo and Southern fair on tonight.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Que82 on March 11, 2016, 06:09:04 PM
Not sure how damaging an empty arena is to a SWAC brand since the SWAC is not known for basketball, at least not since the late 70's early 80's.  As empty as our arenas are I'm just shocked that we still get a lot of TV appearances. :shrug:

I also want to thank all of those posters who were kind enough to ignore their empty tournament arena to show concern about our brand.  That's just so special. It's always good to know that others care.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: ncsiacfan on March 11, 2016, 07:59:19 PM
I guess those were quarter final games that I gave attendance for. I was trying to match the tournaments however. You would be surprised that this information is hard to find. I don't have anything on the MEAC, but I think that they are doing better. Valley Girl made some good points and  remember her saying that before. I think that there was a high school basketball tournament going on in Birmingham.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: bluedog on March 11, 2016, 08:09:18 PM
Y'all  up in here acting like this isn't the norm for all conferences.  Negroes  can find wet pi@@ to complain about in a dry desert. .
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: bluedog on March 11, 2016, 11:24:26 PM
Tonight's Game

(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd69/bluedog_su/Rogersdunk_zpsvvcjcrhn.jpg~original)
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: ncsiacfan on March 13, 2016, 12:35:22 AM
SIAC championship game   1,335

SWAC championship game  3,041

MEAC championship game      ?
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Que82 on March 13, 2016, 01:13:56 AM
Strange neither the MEAC or CIAA has reported their numbers especially since one MEAC poster cited that nearly 7k or 60% of capacity filled. :shrug:
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: DRUMMA1 on March 13, 2016, 03:04:38 AM
:popcorn:
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: bluedog on March 13, 2016, 04:27:09 AM
Move over..   :popcorn:
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Decks on March 13, 2016, 01:38:30 PM
I can't find the attendance numbers anywhere. No doubt this is just more manipulation from our esteemed commissioner. Lol, it's not like he hasn't fudged tournament numbers in the past, especially when it was in Richmond.

I know the eyeball test isn't reliable but from the crowd shots I've seen I'm guessing somewhere between 5,000 - 6,000.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: ncsiacfan on March 13, 2016, 02:06:38 PM
In the last SIAC tournament in Atlanta when 1,500 showed up for a semi-final game and they reported only 852 for the finals, I wondered about that.  I got the impression that they were anxious to move all of their championships out of Atlanta and have done so since then.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Que82 on March 13, 2016, 02:26:42 PM
In the last SIAC tournament in Atlanta when 1,500 showed up for a semi-final game and they reported only 852 for the finals, I wondered about that.  I got the impression that they were anxious to move all of their championships out of Atlanta and have done so since then.

2013

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You were saying????
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: bluedog on March 13, 2016, 04:26:10 PM
I can't find the attendance numbers anywhere. No doubt this is just more manipulation from our esteemed commissioner. Lol, it's not like he hasn't fudged tournament numbers in the past, especially when it was in Richmond.

I know the eyeball test isn't reliable but from the crowd shots I've seen I'm guessing somewhere between 5,000 - 6,000.


 :lmao: Man y'all Barack Obama  this dude about everything.   When did the conferences  commissioner started  being responsible for reporting  attendance figures?  :lmao:
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: ncsiacfan on March 13, 2016, 04:46:20 PM
The attendance for the woman's championship game was reported as being larger than the men's championship game. I still have the same questions. Did people leave after the women stopped playing?  What can not be questioned is that everything has been moved out of Atlanta since 2013.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Que82 on March 13, 2016, 05:15:29 PM
The attendance for the woman's championship game was reported as being larger than the men's championship game. I still have the same questions. Did people leave after the women stopped playing?  What can not be questioned is that everything has been moved out of Atlanta since 2013.

I was there and no.  Its simple, Atlanta was not supporting SIAC events.  I'm not sure why you are not getting that.  :shrug:  If the attendance in Birmingham/Montgomery is about the same and you get a better deal from the city, why stay in Atlanta????  Atlanta had no reason to give y'all a deal because you had no financial impact on them as the CIAA has on Charlotte. As a matter of fact the gym was emptiest when CAU played Morehouse.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: 81alphaeagle on March 13, 2016, 05:50:48 PM
I can't find the attendance numbers anywhere. No doubt this is just more manipulation from our esteemed commissioner. Lol, it's not like he hasn't fudged tournament numbers in the past, especially when it was in Richmond.

I know the eyeball test isn't reliable but from the crowd shots I've seen I'm guessing somewhere between 5,000 - 6,000.
http://www.meachoops.com/tournament/schedule/
Attendance listed in box scores for most games.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Que82 on March 13, 2016, 06:00:33 PM
I can't find the attendance numbers anywhere. No doubt this is just more manipulation from our esteemed commissioner. Lol, it's not like he hasn't fudged tournament numbers in the past, especially when it was in Richmond.

I know the eyeball test isn't reliable but from the crowd shots I've seen I'm guessing somewhere between 5,000 - 6,000.
http://www.meachoops.com/tournament/schedule/
Attendance listed in box scores for most games.


Bogus!!  :nono2:  Ain't no women's game at 11:00 a.m. on Monday had almost 4k.  :lol:
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: ncsiacfan on March 13, 2016, 06:24:28 PM
The attendance for the football championship game has yet to top Atlanta. But I have said that if Birmingham can do the basketball tournament better then let them do it. I remember one of those  years in Atlanta when I could not find the dates of the tournament. I don't drive long distances and that is important for me to know. When CAU and Morehouse are in the top ten annually in football attendance, why would they not also support their basketball teams?   (D2-Tuskegee number one) This year the CAU-Morehouse game had 5,600 at Forbes Arena.   

I said when they moved to Birmingham to not blames Miles College for their future lack of support if any, and the same is true of the AUC center. The pox is entirely on the SIAC.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Que82 on March 13, 2016, 06:40:20 PM
The attendance for the football championship game has yet to top Atlanta. But I have said that if Birmingham can do the basketball tournament better then let them do it. I remember one of those  years in Atlanta when I could not find the dates of the tournament. I don't drive long distances and that is important for me to know. When CAU and Morehouse are in the top ten annually in football attendance, why would they not also support their basketball teams?   (D2-Tuskegee number one) This year the CAU-Morehouse game had 5,600 at Forbes Arena.   

I said when they moved to Birmingham to not blames Miles College for their future lack of support if any, and the same is true of the AUC center. The pox is entirely on the SIAC.
But what was Atlanta doing for the conference????  The difference between Atlanta and Montgomery attendance is minute considering Atlanta is fifty times larger than Montgomery. :shrug:  No is blaming the AUC for anything but you would think the hometown would get better support than they did.  Not exactly sure what logic you are using rather than you are determined to make that square peg fit in that round hole.  The move was pure economics. :shrug:
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: ncsiacfan on March 13, 2016, 07:08:20 PM
No one goes to morning games early on in the tournament anywhere. My CIAA/MEAC colleagues here in North Carolina would laugh at the fact that Montgomery got the football championship for $100,000. I have never seen that the CIAA championship football game received anything from the city of Durham. But we are a good location for the conference and they market their product better. And Durham is certainly not a big city. Que it is not that your argument is illogical. But it ignores the fact that SIAC is its' own worst enemy.

Now the Celebration Bowl is going to clean up on the "big A" and we will see what follows.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Que82 on March 13, 2016, 07:57:16 PM
No one goes to morning games early on in the tournament anywhere. My CIAA/MEAC colleagues here in North Carolina would laugh at the fact that Montgomery got the football championship for $100,000. I have never seen that the CIAA championship football game received anything from the city of Durham. But we are a good location for the conference and they market their product better. And Durham is certainly not a big city. Que it is not that your argument is illogical. But it ignores the fact that SIAC is its' own worst enemy.

Now the Celebration Bowl is going to clean up on the "big A" and we will see what follows.
Which is why I said the link 81alphaeagle posted was bogus.  :shrug:  You say your friends would laugh but do you know what Atlanta was giving the conference and if so please share it with us.  :shrug: The CIAA FB ship does not carry the same weight as the BB tourney and very few folks even talk about it while the BB tourney has brand recognition. .    Do you mean to tell me if you were commish you would stay in Atlanta if another city offered you a better deal.  A city closer to two of your schools that often offer the most fan support come hell or high water????  Birmingham and Montgomery are hungry for events based on the departure of the SWAC and TD Classic.  :shrug: Atlanta has too much going on to give a dayum about the SIAC.  The SIAC schools less Skegee really don't have the brands/fanbase to get the kind of support the CB did IMHO. :shrug:
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: JBROB on March 13, 2016, 08:02:02 PM
I can't find the attendance numbers anywhere. No doubt this is just more manipulation from our esteemed commissioner. Lol, it's not like he hasn't fudged tournament numbers in the past, especially when it was in Richmond.

I know the eyeball test isn't reliable but from the crowd shots I've seen I'm guessing somewhere between 5,000 - 6,000.
http://www.meachoops.com/tournament/schedule/
Attendance listed in box scores for most games.


Bogus!!  :nono2:  Ain't no women's game at 11:00 a.m. on Monday had almost 4k.  :lol:

There was one ticket for Monday.  That probably was the attendance for Monday as a whole.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: bluedog on March 13, 2016, 08:08:13 PM
I can't find the attendance numbers anywhere. No doubt this is just more manipulation from our esteemed commissioner. Lol, it's not like he hasn't fudged tournament numbers in the past, especially when it was in Richmond.

I know the eyeball test isn't reliable but from the crowd shots I've seen I'm guessing somewhere between 5,000 - 6,000.
http://www.meachoops.com/tournament/schedule/
Attendance listed in box scores for most games.


Bogus!!  :nono2:  Ain't no women's game at 11:00 a.m. on Monday had almost 4k.  :lol:


They have the same attendance numbers for all their games.   Wow!  :lmao:
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Que82 on March 13, 2016, 08:11:33 PM
I can't find the attendance numbers anywhere. No doubt this is just more manipulation from our esteemed commissioner. Lol, it's not like he hasn't fudged tournament numbers in the past, especially when it was in Richmond.

I know the eyeball test isn't reliable but from the crowd shots I've seen I'm guessing somewhere between 5,000 - 6,000.
http://www.meachoops.com/tournament/schedule/
Attendance listed in box scores for most games.


Bogus!!  :nono2:  Ain't no women's game at 11:00 a.m. on Monday had almost 4k.  :lol:

There was one ticket for Monday.  That probably was the attendance for Monday as a whole.
I can buy that, but to have that total posted on every game is bogus because it does not give a true picture of how well each game was attended which make the numbers bogus IMHO.  
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: ncsiacfan on March 14, 2016, 12:07:05 AM
$33,000 a year for three years. At $20 a ticket 1,666 sold would cover that. What the SIAC got was a guarantee for thinking small. It is the activities available that attract people to other cities. 
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: JBROB on March 14, 2016, 12:58:59 AM
MEAC 2015 Basketball Tournament Report

https://va-norfolk.civicplus.com/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Item/1373?fileID=1659
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: DRUMMA1 on March 14, 2016, 01:46:02 AM
Tonight, the SWAC voted to only have the semifinals and finals in Houston. The opening games will be played on the school's campuses.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Professor on March 14, 2016, 08:14:47 AM
Welp , that ends that.

Looks like SWAC leadership saw the same as this poster did
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: bluedog on March 14, 2016, 08:38:45 AM
This is crazy.  I have to log out then too be able too see the other forums. Click on that forum then log back in and hope I can get to the forum that I want.

Is anybody else having this issue?  It's  really freaking annoying.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Golden Kitten on March 14, 2016, 12:16:14 PM
No...
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Jaimac on March 14, 2016, 01:08:32 PM
Tonight, the SWAC voted to only have the semifinals and finals in Houston. The opening games will be played on the school's campuses.

This is interesting.   :nod:
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: hbcu on March 14, 2016, 03:44:09 PM
The SWAC is WAC.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Golden Kitten on March 15, 2016, 12:16:36 PM
Tonight, the SWAC voted to only have the semifinals and finals in Houston. The opening games will be played on the school's campuses.

This is interesting.   :nod:

I like that idea... :nod:
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: eagle pride on March 15, 2016, 12:20:14 PM
Tonight, the SWAC voted to only have the semifinals and finals in Houston. The opening games will be played on the school's campuses.

This is interesting.   :nod:

I like that idea... :nod:




Me too!
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Que82 on March 15, 2016, 06:24:49 PM
$33,000 a year for three years. At $20 a ticket 1,666 sold would cover that. What the SIAC got was a guarantee for thinking small. It is the activities available that attract people to other cities.  
???? In order to have a clear and constructive debate, you probably need to be clearer in your post so I don't have to assume.  So I guess you are talking football.  Now is this information from what they got from Montgomery or Atlanta????  Also if it was the activities why was there such small numbers in Atlanta????  This is why your Atlanta argument is not holding water to me because you still have not shown how it actually profited the conference by staying in Atlanta.  :shrug:  Other than you wanted it there, what was the payoff????
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: ncsiacfan on March 15, 2016, 07:51:52 PM
That was the printed contract for Montgomery. As far as I know, Atlanta did not offer anything. People go to Atlanta as they do to DC for the tourist activities.

For the few years the football championship was in Atlanta, the attendance went up each year.  I thought that there was no reason to assume that it was would not continue to do so. There was certainly no AUC team playing.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Que82 on March 15, 2016, 11:51:23 PM
That was the printed contract for Montgomery. As far as I know, Atlanta did not offer anything. People go to Atlanta as they do to DC for the tourist activities.

For the few years the football championship was in Atlanta, the attendance went up each year.  I thought that there was no reason to assume that it was would not continue to do so. There was certainly no AUC team playing.
People go to Atlanta but they didn't go to the championship game.  Atlanta gets the same traffic whether you play there or not.  Hell they probably had more folks in strip clubs than you had at the games in ATL..  :shrug: To go up 400 people in a city with almost a half million people and a metro area with over 5 mil does not seem that impressive at least not to me.  AUC teams????  They barely had folks coming to their games and they are in the city.  :shrug:  Still waiting on you to tell me how staying in Atlanta would profit the SIAC. Another 400 coming????
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: ncsiacfan on March 16, 2016, 01:53:53 AM
Why do you continue to say this? It is Tuskegee, CAU,  Morehouse and Miles that make the SIAC number one in football attendance every year. Again Morehouse and CAU had 5,600 for a basketball game at Forbes this year. Morehouse had over 2,000 for a makeup game on the Saturday before the SIAC basketball tournament with Paine.

Very interesting that you would mention the strip joints. A guest in our home yesterday was a "clear" person who had moved to Atlanta when his family lost their business in a small Georgia town. He said he was terrified when he had to go to a big city high school. In his next breath he said Atlanta does not really have any slums. Of course they do. I told him that they hide them with dogwood tress. It  has all the problem of any big city. The one that it is most like to me is Los Angles with the freeways and extended commutes. In the east it is most like the DC area. Do we need to be reminded that it was an Olympic city? There is much to do there which is another reason students enjoy going to school there. But why to people want to say that AUC students and graduates don't support there schools when the statistics say otherwise?

The football championship and basketball tournament have different problems. It is up to the people who do the planning to figure that out. 
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Que82 on March 16, 2016, 06:58:15 AM
Why do you continue to say this? It is Tuskegee, CAU,  Morehouse and Miles that make the SIAC number one in football attendance every year. Again Morehouse and CAU had 5,600 for a basketball game at Forbes this year. Morehouse had over 2,000 for a makeup game on the Saturday before the SIAC basketball tournament with Paine. How has this equated to an increase in the SIAC BB tournament and football championship????  Don't forget I have been at the BB tournament in Atlanta and Birmingham. I have seen the numbers and have photos of both.  I was also in Epps this year and as small as that gym was it was not packed out.    We get that you want everything in Atlanta but your argument on why is not that convincing IMHO.   :shrug:

Very interesting that you would mention the strip joints. A guest in our home yesterday was a "clear" person who had moved to Atlanta when his family lost their business in a small Georgia town. He said he was terrified when he had to go to a big city high school. In his next breath he said Atlanta does not really have any slums. Of course they do. I told him that they hide them with dogwood tress. It  has all the problem of any big city. The one that it is most like to me is Los Angles with the freeways and extended commutes. In the east it is most like the DC area. Do we need to be reminded that it was an Olympic city? There is much to do there which is another reason students enjoy going to school there. But why to people want to say that AUC students and graduates don't support there schools when the statistics say otherwise?

The football championship and basketball tournament have different problems. It is up to the people who do the planning to figure that out.  You are giving a straw man argument and you have not giving one viable reason why the football championship should have stayed in Atlanta.  :shrug:
Given the growth of the FB ship from 2012 to 2013 was 400 people, I am still waiting on you to tell me how staying in Atlanta would profit the SIAC.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: ncsiacfan on March 16, 2016, 08:42:16 AM
Glad you could find those numbers. I could not.  Never-the-less:

1. The CAU Epps gym was packed for the CAU-Morehouse basketball game.
 
2  The football championship was in Atlanta for two years only and I believe that the 6433 of 2015 represented a decline of  more than 1000.   I am not bashing  Montgomery. But what happens when Tuskegee or Miles is not in it?  We will just have to disagree on this.

To change the subject, the last time I was on I-85 near Atlanta, I noticed a billboard advertising Benedict College. That is exactly why I did not want NCCU to end our non-credited Atlanta program. I wanted us to upgrade it and make some of that Atlanta money.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: oleschoolaggie on March 16, 2016, 11:33:43 AM
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_RB/Reports/attend/2015.pdf (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_RB/Reports/attend/2015.pdf)

according to ncaa stats, the meac had the ”12th highest” average attendance (6,773) out of 32 d1 conferences for conference championship tournaments in 2015...
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: ncsiacfan on March 16, 2016, 11:38:08 AM
I should add that the decline in attendance for the SIAC football championship game from 2014 to 2015 was 760. (7193-6433).
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: ncsiacfan on March 16, 2016, 11:50:35 AM
Oldschoolaggie, the MEAC and CIAA appear to be doing quite well, even if the CIAA might not do so well without the parties. The SWAC appears to be considering their options The SIAC might be doing the same, but they have a captive market. The can and will do as they please.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: MilesBear1 on March 16, 2016, 01:30:21 PM
Well, First of all us SIAC Posters shouldn't be talking about attendance at another HBCU Conference Tournament because ours was drafty as well. It doesn't matter where you have it people will do what they want to do. So this post is an moot point. :nod: And because of Toyota Sponsorship the SWAC probably get the Arena for little or nothing.  :nod:
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Que82 on March 16, 2016, 06:46:02 PM
I should add that the decline in attendance for the SIAC football championship game from 2014 to 2015 was 760. (7193-6433).
Dude you still don't get it and you refuse to answer my simple question.  I will type this slower.  If the championship was in a city that has a half million people and a metro area of 5 million and you cannot fill up a 10k high school stadium which you probably have to pay for, since the city ain't offering you/guaranteeing you jack.  You move to a city of 226k which allows you to use a college stadium of 21k which probably has amenities to attract sponsors and your decline was only 2k but you keep hollering stay in Atlanta but you can't/won't answer "how staying in Atlanta would profit the SIAC." :shrug:  Please answer the question.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Que82 on March 16, 2016, 06:51:31 PM
Well, First of all us SIAC Posters shouldn't be talking about attendance at another HBCU Conference Tournament because ours was drafty as well. It doesn't matter where you have it people will do what they want to do. So this post is an moot point. :nod: And because of Toyota Sponsorship the SWAC probably get the Arena for little or nothing.  :nod:
My name is Que82 and I approve this message.  Paid for by the if/there/is/an/echo/in/your/tournament/arena/shut/the heyal/up/committee.

MB1 does the the Conference get breaks on the use of W.F. harris and Camton????
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Valley Girl on March 16, 2016, 07:52:53 PM
Well, First of all us SIAC Posters shouldn't be talking about attendance at another HBCU Conference Tournament because ours was drafty as well.

So people can't walk and chew chewing gum at the same time? :shrug:

The SIAC has HORRIBLE attendance - Fact

The SWAC's attendance is not stellar - Fact

Now I'm not criticizing the SWAC or how they have their tournament - I trust that the powers that be and the Sponsors are privy to their situation and it works for them.  If they like it I love it, but pointing out low attendance doesn't necessarily mean folks ought to shut up.

Now if people are insulting the tournament and the SWAC, then yeah they need to shut the hell up, but just pointing low attendance out?  :shrug:


As far as SIAC basketball,  Won't matter where they move it if they don't market it.  Besides, a major part of the issue is cultural.  We just don't care about basketball the way we do football.  It isn't fair to the student athletes, and we definitely need to do better, but it is what it is.  :shrug:

SIAC is a football conference, but Atlanta isn't really a football town.  Too much other stuff to do.  Even if you had intentions of going to the game, it is quite easy to find other plans.
Hell, even if I traveled to Montgomery for the game, I might end up in Wetumpka and say 'screw the game' - especially if the slots are falling my way  ;D
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Que82 on March 16, 2016, 08:32:55 PM
The sky is up.  I just wanted to also point out the obvious. :shrug:
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Valley Girl on March 16, 2016, 09:10:48 PM
The sky is up.  I just wanted to also point out the obvious. :shrug:


Yep.  And water is wet.   People point out the obvious every day. 
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: ncsiacfan on March 17, 2016, 12:36:32 AM
I enjoyed my time at the tournament. But again you hit it on the head Valley girl. I made a side trip to visit in laws. I did not wish to say it, but I thought the questions about Atlanta were inappropriate. You do not ask what did Houston do for the SWAC, what did Charlotte do for the CIAA, what did Norfolk do for the MEAC, nor what did Nashville do for the SEC. So why Atlanta?  Atlanta does not owe the SIAC anything and neither does Birmingham.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Que82 on March 17, 2016, 03:31:00 AM
I enjoyed my time at the tournament. But again you hit it on the head Valley girl. I made a side trip to visit in laws. I did not wish to say it, but I thought the questions about Atlanta were inappropriate. You do not ask what did Houston do for the SWAC, what did Charlotte do for the CIAA, what did Norfolk do for the MEAC, nor what did Nashville do for the SEC. So why Atlanta?  Atlanta does not owe the SIAC anything and neither does Birmingham.
inappropriate question huh?  ::)  I just pulled these two quick ones the way you are responding it was not worth the effort to waste time researching on you.  :no:

The CIAA basketball tournament is free to leave Charlotte for another venue after this year, and tourism officials acknowledge it may cost more than the city’s current $1 million payment to keep the athletic association’s week-long spree of parties, shows and games.

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article9099236.html#storylink=cpy

The city also agreed to give the MEAC $150,000 every year, three months before the tournament, so the league can promote and help pay for the event. That could increase to $200,000 in two years if attendance hits certain levels (http://pilotonline.com/sports/college/meac/meac-hopes-its-hoops-tourneys-settle-in-norfolk/article_c0e57201-c93a-57a0-8ed1-f20448aa3b25.html)

Lastly if you think a city doesn't give the SEC something for hosting an event I need to give you five dollars to get a clue.  ::)
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: ‘87 Alum on March 17, 2016, 09:51:10 AM
Big Homie -

You need to go eat a Snicker's....for breakfast, lunch & dinner....
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: ncsiacfan on March 17, 2016, 10:02:12 AM
You wanted to argue and that is all. I am glad that it lead you to do some personal investigation. No city or corporate body owes any basketball tournament anything.  Your questions have been answered ...not that you have the authority to make demands on anyone on this forum. I will not be making any additional comments on this topic.
 
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Que82 on March 17, 2016, 02:32:12 PM
You wanted to argue and that is all. I am glad that it lead you to do some personal investigation. No city or corporate body owes any basketball tournament anything.  Your questions have been answered ...not that you have the authority to make demands on anyone on this forum. I will not be making any additional comments on this topic.
 

^^^^

No one wanted to argue with you .  I asked you a freaking question.  I was trying to find out why you were pushing for Atlanta so much but all you did was side stepped direct question.  My question had nothing to do with a city owing anyone any dayum thing.  I simple asked you how would staying in Atlanta profit the conference.  If you don't want to or can't answer just be man enough to say so.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Que82 on March 17, 2016, 05:19:42 PM
Big Homie -

You need to go eat a Snicker's....for breakfast, lunch & dinner....
just make sure you get one the next time you go at it with Y.   :shrug:
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: ‘87 Alum on March 17, 2016, 05:36:16 PM
Big Homie -

You need to go eat a Snicker's....for breakfast, lunch & dinner....
just make sure you get one the next time you go at it with Y.   :shrug:

I couldn't eat mine. I shined it up real nice and shoved it up his candyass!!

 :lmao:
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: ncsiacfan on March 17, 2016, 07:03:00 PM
 "And back to you" Que87.
Title: Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
Post by: Que82 on March 17, 2016, 08:57:05 PM
"And back to you" Que87.
So the person that can't answer a simple question wants to be a smart aleck.  :lol:

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