Women all over the country are pissed at Susan G. Komen

[Cholly]

I DO... 

Does the phrase "Back Alley Abortionist" ring any bells?

In MY neighborhood there was Miss Ann. She would "take care" of the women who got pregnant out of wedlock or BY someone other than their husbands.

Thing is, EVERYBODY knew what Miss Ann did....

[Valley Girl]

I guess there are only a few of us old enough to remember when abortions were illegal in the U.S. ...

I don't remember, but I've heard stories about coat hangers and such

[Cholly]

And herbs.  

Rat poison, knives, ice picks, arsenic, strychnine; you name it. THAT'S why so many women DIED having illegal aportions done... or doing them to themselves.

[Devin]

Banning abortions is just gonna lead to a bunch of dead women if you don't address the underlying issues

Huh?

Could you educate me that statement?

No problem shug.

If you ban abortions, then having one will be illegal - that doesn't mean that women will stop attempting to get abortions - so they will go somewhere that is private and possibly unsanitary, which could lead to infection and death

Kind of like those botox parties gone wrong - but on a bigger scale

Don't know if it would be on the same scale as they were before abortions were legalized because of the medical advancements that have been made, but I do believe that banning them would lead to increased death

And those who are staunchly pro life shouldn't care if it's the woman or the baby, a life is a life, right?

I see what you're saying.

But I don't think we need to put women in a tough position of having abortions or getting underground abortions, and increasing the chances of the mom dying as a result of the practice being illegal.

I don't want to see any human life or potential human life being taken away.  

This thought is not popular but if you are man or woman enough to procreate, then those people should be stand up enough and take care of that responsibility.

[Valley Girl]

Yes they should step up to the plate, and ideally they should know enough about their bodies or care enough not to have a baby in the first place if they aren't in a positon to - but we know that's not the case

As the old folks say -If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, what a wonderful Christmas we would have

[Golden Kitten]

Don't necessarily disagree with you Devin - I don't want to see abortion used as a constant method of birth control but I also think that a woman has a right to decide. It is a medical procedure (just like a vasectomy is a medical procedure) and it is her body...not to mention the fact that it takes two to procreate - and I know you don't want me to start on the huge number of children whose fathers are not active participants in their lives...they ****ed and got them but they sure aren't taking care of them...

[Devin]

Don't necessarily disagree with you Devin - I don't want to see abortion used as a constant method of birth control but I also think that a woman has a right to decide. It is a medical procedure (just like a vasectomy is a medical procedure) and it is her body...not to mention the fact that it takes two to procreate - and I know you don't want me to start on the huge number of children whose fathers are not active participants in their lives...they ****ed and got them but they sure aren't taking care of them...

1. Unfortunately, her body is not the only one at stake. When she makes that decision to have abortion, another person's body must die. Not hers.  What about the kid?

2. Some 72 percent of black babies are born out of wedlock. Not good at all. And those dads who don't care for their children should be held responsible. My father has never been part of my life in any way since I've been alive. So I get it. It's tough.

3. The larger problem lies with the constant decaying moral fiber of our society which creates a ton of problems. Not just young people, but adults need to be educated about this stuff. 

[Golden Kitten]

I guess it depends on whether you believe that life begins at conception or at birth...

[Aggie D.]

I guess it depends on whether you believe that life begins at conception or at birth...

I know there are some that genuinely and sincerely believe that life begins at birth.  I can not say much to that.  However, I believe most women and people in general believe life begins at conception which is why the decision to have an abortion is so hard for many and an emotional one that stays with women for life.  I do not know when it is ever okay for any parent to kill an innocent life regardless of how that life came to be.  It would never be okay to kill a child once born because the kid is born out of wedlock, with a disability, in less than idea situation, or to poor parents, young parents, or parents that are just not ready to have kids.  So why should it be okay for a parent to take that same life prior to birth. 

I agree with Valley Girl increasing sex education and other socioeconomic issues would go a long way in decreasing abortions.  Adoption as an option should also be emphasized more I think also. 

[Cholly]

The irony of course, is THAT'S WHAT PLANNED PARENTHOOD DOES!!!

By cutting funding, SGKFTC actually INCREASES the number of women who will have abortions, now and in the future.

[Devin]

interesting.

butterbeliever.com/2011/10/22/i-will-not-be-pinkwashed-why-i-do-not-support-susan-g-komen-for-the-cure/

[Golden Kitten]

I might step on some toes here but it's interesting that SOME of the folks who have the ability to prevent SOME of these births by using condoms don't/refuse to use them and leave that responsibility up to the female - but want to have a say about what she should do should she become pregnant...birth control is a two-way street.

[Devin]

While that might be true to a degree, you can't have it both ways, though.

You can't say on one hand that birth control is a two-way street, then on the other say it's her body and her choice when it come to going through with an abortion or not.

If it's her body and her choice, then the female should take more of the responsibility in not preventing a pregnancy by failing to using birth control or abstaining from sex.

Unless there is a rape involved, then in almost all cases the female ultimately makes the decision to have sex.

We all have to be held accountable for the decisions we make in this world.

Besides, the unborn child has no say in whether he/she lives or dies. There is no two-way street in that regard.

Bottom line is if these people don't want babies, don't have sex or use birth control when having sex. It's simple as that. And if there is a pregnancy, both parties need to take care of that responsibility. That's the position they put themselves in by making the decision to have sex.

[Cholly]

A substantial percentage of ALL pregnancies end in spontaneous abortion. NATURALLY.

A fertilized egg is NOT a human, nor is it a person. It has the potential to become one... but it most definitely is NEITHER for several months. In effect, it is a parasite, totally and completely dependent on the mothers body for nourishment and protection. A growth with no intellegence or knowledge or experience or emotions. It is different from the appendex ONLY in the fact that it isn't actually a PART of the mother, but rather is inside her FEEDING OFF HER in EVERY sense of the word.

That is, until it is sufficiently developed to survive ON IT'S OWN outside of the womb... between 6.5 (with intensive medical support) and 8 months, it is NOT a human being.

SINCE pregnancy represents a SERIOUS medical risk to the mother (prior to the advent of modern neo-natal care and the medical specialty of obstetrics, the maternal mortality rate during childbirth was as high as 40% in some parts of this country), it SHOULD be up to the woman to decide whether to go through with having the baby or not.

All the male does litterally is drop off 10cc of semon... PERIOD.

HE doesn't risk a thing biologically or medically, he SHOULDN'T have any say in whether the person taking ALL the risk should chose to terminate that condition. 

[Jaimac]

Hmmm......