A question for hi-lander, y04 & OS: If Repubs really want more Black support....

[Strike79]

............B66, thanks for raising a topic that MERITS discussion. 

The GOP crowds in Iowa and New Hampshire were lily-white, but that's understandable considering their black population as a percentage of the whole is in the single digits.

But how does one explain the lily-white crowds in South Carolina, a state whose black population is, what, around 30%, if not more?   And while the black population percentage in the Sunshine State is less than what it is SC, its still in double digits, and the crowds there, too, have been lily-white.

So far I've not read any PLAUSIBLE explanations for this phenomenom from the board's resident negro conservatives. 

But I expected as much. 

[Bison66]

OLDSPORT?

Did you forget or was the 1860's the end of the chronology you had in mind?

Why HAVE they done for blacks --PLEASE list them??

Knee-gra, I am going to start chronologically:

The Republican Party was responsible for your great-great and other Blacks who trace their heritage from the 1800 forward for being free. You do remember studying about the Civil War - DUMB a--.

The Republican Party along with their allies are responsible for the majority of HBCU's being founded. STUPID a--. YOU REMEMBER READING ABOUT
RECONSTRUCTION!

I will post more tonight for your DUMB a--.

[Bison66]

In my opinion the GOP does not care if they have mass AA support because it would upset a large. part of its base which consists of racists and bigots.  They only need a few articulate AA they can parade around for sound bites and photo ops.

This is complete BS. In actuality, the Republican Party has done more Blacks than you brainwashed Knee-gras know. Oh, racism exist and to a large extent among so-called modern liberals (actually socialist and communist who don't want Americans to know who they really are.)

Here's what's taking place inside the Occupy movement who are actually modern liberal (leftest Dem-O-Crap) movement....

http://www.breitbart.tv/preview-exclusive-breitbart-investigation-discovers-racism-in-occupywallstreet/

One form of FALLACIOUS argument is "Red Herring" (Look it up, OS.)
Similar to "deflection", but not exactly the same.

OS, I simply asked you why you thought the Repubs did not have some kind of outreach to Black voters during the debates like they did for Latino voters.

You have an opinion, right?

[uchighlander]

....why was there not an outreach to Black voters during the South Carolina or Florida debates?

I am certain I was not the only one to notice that - despite Repubs' repeated assertions that they do not "slice and dice" the electorate (as they criticize the Dems for doing) - the Repubs had at least one satellite location from which Latinos in Florida asked questions to the candidates.

IF Repubs are dissatisfied with the level of support they receive from Black voters, why didn't they think of doing something like that?

Looking forward to our replies.

Are the primaries in So.Carolina and Florida open? If not....why waste the money going after a voting block that won't vote for you in the general election? GO VIKINGS!!!

[Bison66]

Welcome back.

In that case it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, doesn't it?

"They" won't vote for us,....
so we won't reach out to them, and then.....
they won't vote for us.

IF a party were interested in reaching out, a nationally televised debate would have been a perfect opportunity.  They could have flown bussed (don't want to bust the budget) in ALL 300 of the Black Conservatives in Florida, put them in a room with a camera and a microphone and let them ask a token question.   

[uchighlander]

Welcome back.

In that case it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, doesn't it?

"They" won't vote for us,....
so we won't reach out to them, and then.....
they won't vote for us.

IF a party were interested in reaching out, a nationally televised debate would have been a perfect opportunity.  They could have flown bussed (don't want to bust the budget) in ALL 300 of the Black Conservatives in Florida, put them in a room with a camera and a microphone and let them ask a token question.  

Self fulfilling.....maybe....... but seriously...... if blacks really wanted to find out about the GOP candidates all they had to do is watch one....or two......or three.....you pick a number.....of the nationaly televised debates. There is no need to "reach out" or in my mind "pander" to the black community....that's something the democrats do and have perfected. GO VIKINGS!!!

[y04185]

Welcome back.

In that case it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, doesn't it?

"They" won't vote for us,....
so we won't reach out to them, and then.....
they won't vote for us.

IF a party were interested in reaching out, a nationally televised debate would have been a perfect opportunity.  They could have flown bussed (don't want to bust the budget) in ALL 300 of the Black Conservatives in Florida, put them in a room with a camera and a microphone and let them ask a token question.   

Self fulfilling.....maybe....... but seriously...... if blacks really wanted to find out about the GOP candidates all they had to do is watch one....or two......or three.....you pick a number.....of the nationaly televised debates. There is no need to "reach out" or in my mind "pander" tp the black community....that's something the democrats do and have perfected. GO VIKINGS!!!

I concur.

If Black democrats took a serious look at all the candidates we would not have this discussion.  Blacks, especially in the local elections, should vote for the candidate based on his/her merits instead of political party.  This would keep the democratic party from taking the Black vote for granted.  It would make candidates in both parties work for the Black vote.

B66, do you ever take a serious look at Republican candidates?

[CIAA-FAN]

I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE GOP SERIOUSLY WANTS ANY MINORITY SUPPORT.   MOST OF THE RACIST RANTS AND INNUENDOES ONE HEARS ABOUT; THE INDIVIDUALS ARE EITHER REPUBLICANS OR REPUBLICAN SUPPORTERS.  ONE CAN COUNT ON A SINGLE HAND THE NUMBER OF REPUBLICANS WHO DENOUCE THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR.  WHEN A SANTORUM  SUPPORTER STATED IN FRONT OF THE CANDIDATE THAT THE POTUS WAS A MUSLIM, WHAT DID THE CANDIDATE DO OR SAY WHEN CONFRONTED WITH THIS LIE?  ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.  NO, I AM NOT AT ALL CONVINCED THAT THE GOP SERIOUSLY WANTS ANY MINORITY SUPPORT.  HOWEVER. DEMOGRAPHICS AND TIME ARE NOT ON THE SIDE OF A MONOLITH POLITICAL PARTY AND THE SOONER THEY ACCEPT THIS FACT, THE SOONER THEY WILL CONRONT REALITY.

[uchighlander]

I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE GOP SERIOUSLY WANTS ANY MINORITY SUPPORT.   MOST OF THE RACIST RANTS AND INNUENDOES ONE HEARS ABOUT; THE INDIVIDUALS ARE EITHER REPUBLICANS OR REPUBLICAN SUPPORTERS.  ONE CAN COUNT ON A SINGLE HAND THE NUMBER OF REPUBLICANS WHO DENOUCE THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR.  WHEN A SANTORUM  SUPPORTER STATED IN FRONT OF THE CANDIDATE THAT THE POTUS WAS A MUSLIM, WHAT DID THE CANDIDATE DO OR SAY WHEN CONFRONTED WITH THIS LIE?  ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.  NO, I AM NOT AT ALL CONVINCED THAT THE GOP SERIOUSLY WANTS ANY MINORITY SUPPORT.  HOWEVER. DEMOGRAPHICS AND TIME ARE NOT ON THE SIDE OF A MONOLITH POLITICAL PARTY AND THE SOONER THEY ACCEPT THIS FACT, THE SOONER THEY WILL CONRONT REALITY.

Do you REALLY believe that? Any person running for office wants all the support they can muster. As far as refuting racist statements.....it depends on what news you watch. Watch BSNBC and all you'll get anti GOP BS.....so you aren't going to hear someone denouceing anything.....all you'll hear is a person saying it with the standard broad brush statement " see...all conservatives are racists ". As someone asked after Obama was elected...."Is the Republican party still relevant". The 2010 elections answered that question. Their demise is nothing but wishfull thinking on your part. GO VIKINGS!!!

[Ken]

Wishful thinking hell-

When reagan ran the electoral population was 82 % white
when bush 1 ran the electoral population was 76% white
when bush 2 ran against gore- 72% white
when bush 2 ran against kerry-68% white
obama vs. mcain - 62% white
2012 in the fifties and DROPPING

By 2016 if the GOP get the same number of white votes it is getting now then will LOSE by 14%.
By 2040 there won't even be a GOP because the DEMOGRAPHIC make-up of the country will be mostly brown or black.

[Ken]

the 2010 election did not reveal what we did not already know.

1. When a new POTUS takes office the other party usually wins the house
2.  More older and whiter people vote in mid term elections
3.  minorities and young people  tend not to vote in mid term elections

Shoot why you think the GOP is trying to pass all these voter ID laws? they know that if affects the DEMO and minorities more than the GOP.  They see the demographics and will resort to anytning in an attempt to maintain power.  But they and tea party will realize in the final anaylsis--time and history is ALWAYS on the side of the oppressed--and as James Brown would say the PAYBACK is going to be a mutha.

[uchighlander]

And payback is going to be what? Having the country go in the tiolet like Greece? Everyone is going to be on the recieveing end of that "payback"..... not just "whitey". GO VIKINGS!!!

[Bison66]

Perhaps, hilander, you did not see the OP.

If Repubs really want more Black support....

....why was there not an outreach to Black voters during the South Carolina or Florida debates?

I am certain I was not the only one to notice that - despite Repubs' repeated assertions that they do not "slice and dice" the electorate (as they criticize the Dems for doing) - the Repubs had at least one satellite location from which Latinos in Florida asked questions to the candidates.

IF Repubs are dissatisfied with the level of support they receive from Black voters, why didn't they think of doing something like that?

Looking forward to (y)our replies.

So,....hilander,

The Repubs found it necessary to "pander" (your word) to Latinos.  That's why I asked the question.   They also "pander" IMO to the religious right, Zionists, southern whites and billionaires.

Further your initial comment about Black voters is a non sequitur.  Many Black folks watched the Repub debates.  That has NOTHING to do with GOP strategy and tactics.

But we do at least partially agree that it is "maybe" self-fulfilling.  

That leaves the door open to FAN's conclusion that the GOP is just not that interested in Black voters.  It is buttressed by JC Watts here:  J.C. WATTS begins speaking 28:06. http://west.house.gov/   Check the "point" he makes at about 28:25 in the video.  And Wildman pointed out that the next speaker made a good point as well.
Originally shared here: http://onnidan1.com/forum/index.php/topic,60334.15.html

And they are not the only ones ON THE INSIDE who allude to a lack of interest by Repubs.  From a Black GOP candidate:

"If you call getting no support, not even a phone call, not even a how are you doing kind of support, then I would have to say that is a pretty accurate assessment," Alexander said.
Alexander said that he has talked with the other 14 African-American Republican candidates' campaigns, and each has similar complaints.
"It's been a bunch of guys grumbling that they are getting no support,"

http://onnidan1.com/forum/index.php/topic,44862.0.html

So, hilander, there is some evidence.....

y04,
Yes, I always consider all serious candidates for whom I have an opportunity to vote, and not just Dems and Repubs.  And I have voted for Republicans for Governor at least twice.

However, what you pretend not to know and NEVER, to my knowledge, have even acknowledged is that the GOP has shifted far to the Right from where it was years ago.  IMO it has become nationally such an extreme party and a virtual captive of its Far Right Wing, some of whom are racists, that I consider it dangerous for the country to give the GOP any more power.

Consequently, these days I would only vote for a Republican who made it clear that he or she is strongly opposed to the Party's continued rightward drift including the embrace of it by white supremacists, white separatists, and hate-filled Obamaphobes.  Though not in that category, I found Huntsman a reasonable, intelligent and moderate man with executive experience, who would probably make a fine President.  I praised him on this BB.

Of course, it was those qualities which made Huntsman TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE to the GOP, which you pretend is the same as it was when Dirkson was in office.

[Ken]

Well by 2140 all of the 'everyone's will be black, yellow or brown.  Remember when the black rooster mates with the white hen-you get a ratio of 3 black little chicken to everyone one white chicken.

[Bison66]

I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE GOP SERIOUSLY WANTS ANY MINORITY SUPPORT.   MOST OF THE RACIST RANTS AND INNUENDOES ONE HEARS ABOUT; THE INDIVIDUALS ARE EITHER REPUBLICANS OR REPUBLICAN SUPPORTERS.  ONE CAN COUNT ON A SINGLE HAND THE NUMBER OF REPUBLICANS WHO DENOUCE THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR.  WHEN A SANTORUM  SUPPORTER STATED IN FRONT OF THE CANDIDATE THAT THE POTUS WAS A MUSLIM, WHAT DID THE CANDIDATE DO OR SAY WHEN CONFRONTED WITH THIS LIE?  ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.  NO, I AM NOT AT ALL CONVINCED THAT THE GOP SERIOUSLY WANTS ANY MINORITY SUPPORT.  HOWEVER. DEMOGRAPHICS AND TIME ARE NOT ON THE SIDE OF A MONOLITH POLITICAL PARTY AND THE SOONER THEY ACCEPT THIS FACT, THE SOONER THEY WILL CONRONT REALITY.

Do you REALLY believe that? Any person running for office wants all the support they can muster. As far as refuting racist statements.....it depends on what news you watch. Watch BSNBC and all you'll get anti GOP BS.....so you aren't going to hear someone denouceing anything.....all you'll hear is a person saying it with the standard broad brush statement " see...all conservatives are racists ". As someone asked after Obama was elected...."Is the Republican party still relevant". The 2010 elections answered that question. Their demise is nothing but wishfull thinking on your part. GO VIKINGS!!!

In THAT case, hilander, you will have no difficulty whatever in showing us where Santorum (I believe that was FAN's reference) corrected the woman who said that Obama is an "avowed Muslim." 

It does take guts to correct a supporter, but I was pleased and proud when John McCain did it.