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« Reply #30 on: January 27, 2012, 02:25:53 PM »

Wildman, she is a conservative.................  

Despite the truth of:
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“That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.”

...Wildman, took the time to demolish y04's STILL unsubstantiated claim.

y04 has YET to provide a scintilla of evidence that SHE IS a Conservative.

FAN & IKESTER,

Should we have separate "memorializing" threads for OS and y04 or combine them into one?
Just askin'
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« Reply #31 on: January 27, 2012, 04:22:06 PM »

What is unfortunate is that no one seems interested in the real issue raised by this thread and the forum -if so many Blacks are conservative, why don't they vote Republican.
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« Reply #32 on: January 27, 2012, 07:41:23 PM »

Wildman,

Are you referring to the participants in the Forum not being interested?
(I haven't finished watching the rest of it.)
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« Reply #33 on: January 27, 2012, 07:47:41 PM »

Wildman,

Are you referring to the participants in the Forum not being interested?
(I haven't finished watching the rest of it.)
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No, I was actually referring to y04185, Oldsport and any other Onnidan conservative/Republican.
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« Reply #34 on: January 27, 2012, 08:07:43 PM »

Oh,......... shrug
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« Reply #35 on: January 28, 2012, 12:12:23 PM »

I found Fmr. Rep. Watts' comments on the perceptions of a lot of AA toward conservatives spot on as well as Sheriff Clarke's comment on the GOP/conservatives not having a face in the black community.

I also found it interesting how Star didn't seem to want Watts to finish his comment about winning the argument.

I think the reason conservatives have a problem in reaching the black community was embedded in the comment Star Parker made at about the 50:42 mark when Rep. Cleaver joked about being late because he was on a conservative plane. 

Que thought bubble (It never ceases to amaze me how blacks who benefit from entitlements seem to be the loudest opponents of them. Must be trying to assimilate.  shrug )
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« Reply #36 on: January 28, 2012, 06:12:13 PM »

I was channel surfing and caught the last half on C-Span. I was with them when they were exploring creating and supporting businesses within the Black community. However, they lost me when they started talking about gay marriage and abortion. Emanuel Cleaver did well representing the Black Caucus. He was right there in the thick of things making his points. Prior to today, I had never heard Cleaver speak on any issue. My opinion of him after hearing him today is that he has a lot on the ball.

I would like to hear/read intelligent dialogue on the following.

Why do Black conservatives want government to intercede on abortion because abortions disproportionately affect the Black community but don't wont government to intercede on other matters that disproportionately affect the Black community.

Why do people say government entitlements encourage Black women to shun marriage and the fathers of their children, but don't say that about White folks who receive government entitlements.


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« Reply #37 on: January 28, 2012, 09:34:43 PM »

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Why do Black conservatives want government to intercede on abortion because abortions disproportionately affect the Black community but don't wont government to intercede on other matters that disproportionately affect the Black community.

Wildman, I'll take a crack at that one.  (Based on the approach presented in the thread "How to Debate Politics.")

Their position is that first and foremost, life - innocent life - is a gift from God/Yahweh/Jehovah/Allah and is therefore not to be taken by mere humans.  They believe that each of us individually and collectively thru our institutions, has a responsibility to protect innocent life.

Whenever life begins - conception or 3 weeks or whenever - they believe that laws regarding taking an innocent life should apply and that govt should not enact ANY law that contravenes that sacred principal.  They see "choice" as a crime against a pre-birth human, which the law should not condone.  Consequently, they would disagree with your framing of the question.  They DO want the govt to withdraw - by repealing Roe v Wade.  They see the Roe decision as an imposition of govt against "supreme" law.

So, life trumps everything else.  If, in fact, abortion affects one group or another more, that is coincidental.  They use the impact on Blacks as a way to show that they care about Black people and as a recruiting device since most Blacks are religious and most theology, it seems, is against abortion.

Unfortunately, as you point out, once the Black baby is born, Conservatives seem to lose interest in that life.  And, in fact, Conservatives, whether Dem, Repub or otherwise have actively worked to limit the life chances (segregation, voting rights, etc) of Black babies for decades upon decades.

But you asked about "their" position and that last is just my perception.
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« Reply #38 on: January 28, 2012, 11:38:57 PM »

Same Chit, Different Day!!!  lmao
Or maybe you guys are attention deprived adolescents "acting out" to garner attention be it bad or good?!?!?!?!

 nod nod

It's amazing, isn't it?
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