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« on: January 16, 2012, 03:11:39 PM »

http://heraldsun.com/view/full_story/17104957/article-Black-students-at-Duke-upset-over-study--?

Black students at Duke upset over study

By Neil Offen

noffen@heraldsun.com; 419-6646

DURHAM — Black students at Duke University are angry over a university research paper that found African-American undergraduates at the school are disproportionally more likely to switch from tough majors to easier ones.

“The implications and intentions of this research at the hands of our very own prestigious faculty, seemingly without a genuine concern for proactively furthering the well-being of the black community is hurtful and alienating,” wrote the officers of Duke’s Black Student Alliance in an email sent to the state NAACP.

The letter from Nana Asante, president of the alliance, challenged the faculty members involved in the research and the university administration to consider “what image has this … report portrayed to the rest of the country, namely our peer institutions, about Duke and its black students?”

The unpublished report, “What Happens After Enrollment? An Analysis of the Time Path of Racial Differences in GPA and Major Choice,” looked at the Duke freshman classes that matriculated in 2001 and 2002, in their first, second and fourth years of college.

It found that among students who initially expressed an interest in majoring in economics, engineering and the natural sciences, 54 percent of black men and 51 percent of black women ended up switching to the humanities or another social science.

By comparison, 33 percent of white women and just 8 percent of white men made the switch to majors that are considered less rigorous, require less study and have easier grading standards.
 
According to the paper, 68 percent of Duke’s black students but less than 55 percent of white students ended up majoring in the humanities or social sciences other than economics.

The authors of the paper suggested that the switch to easier majors was predominantly responsible for why the grade point averages of black undergraduates ultimately became similar to the GPAs of white students as they progressed through school.

The paper is included in a brief submitted to the U.S. Supreme Court by opponents of affirmative action. The court is considering whether to hear a lawsuit challenging race-conscious undergraduate admission at the University of Texas.

The paper’s authors — professors Peter Arcidiacono and Kenneth Spenner, and graduate student Esteban Aucejo — write that their work calls into question other studies that play down the academic difficulties initially experienced by those who benefit from race-conscious admissions by saying that such students eventually catch up with their nonminority peers in GPA.

Instead, the findings suggest that “attempts to increase representation [of minorities] at elite universities through the use of affirmative action may come at a cost of perpetuating underrepresentation of blacks in the natural sciences and engineering,” the paper says.

In responding to the paper, which also found similar results for students of alumni, who also get extra consideration in admissions, Asante wrote that the authors failed “to account for the societal, complex and institutional factors that must be considered in any attempt to delineate trends in racial differences in grade point averages and major choices, in a scholarly manner.”

The BSA officers, in the letter, ask what “acknowledgement or intervention took place, in the best interests of black students” by the university administration when the results of the research were known.

They also extended “an invitation to the authors of this research to engage in a dialogue that addresses our concerns about research’s intent, methodology, analysis and conclusion, in addition to its validity.”


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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2012, 03:13:20 PM »

 tiptoe

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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2012, 03:14:10 PM »

Black students protest Duke response to majors study

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DURHAM – About three dozen Duke University students in the Black Student Alliance stood in a silent semi-circle Sunday evening on the sidewalk in front of Duke Chapel, their posters conveying a message to people leaving the Donna Brazile speech at the chapel for the university’s annual Martin Luther King Jr. observance.

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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2012, 03:15:38 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2012, 03:52:22 PM »

Well...

As students enrolled at Duke, they HAVE to be intellegent people.

And intellegent people enrolled at Duke should NOT be suprised that a study like this would be released by Duke.  shrug
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« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2012, 05:48:42 PM »

There are some HBCU's where they could always go attend......... tiptoe tiptoe
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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2012, 05:50:41 PM »

^^^True.
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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2012, 11:48:52 PM »

There are some HBCU's where they could always go attend......... tiptoe tiptoe

Believe me. .  . they aren't.   shrug
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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2012, 10:23:33 AM »

I have mixed feel about this entire situation. I understand the students feeling targeted. The research might be making this a Duke issue when it is no. Also who is to say racism does not play a role here. Trust me, some professor grade minority students especially hard because deep down inside they feel they have gotten an easy pass into the university.

On the other hard, the research could be very telling as it relates to the quality of the minority students being admitted to the college?  shrug
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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2012, 10:27:49 AM »

I don't have a problem with the research being done.  I have a problem with what the research is being used for. .. a supreme court case on affirmative action with the University of Texas.  The research isn't vetted, reviewed or published; and I'm sure most academic circles would call it rubbish.

Yet it's being used to show that affirmative action admits under-qualified black students to the university.   
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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2012, 11:34:18 AM »

I have a hometown friend who is a Duke grad and who actually sent the call out for her classmates to respond to the research. She's a very young woman who just graduated from Northwestern University with her Ph.D in History and is now a professor at Penn State University. She's no slow leak.

Her problem with the research was that it was saying that humanities degrees are inherently "easier" and therefore that is why Black students are changing their major to "easier" disciplines. On top of that they are asserting that Black students just can't cut it at Duke which I don't believe is true. Their admissions standards are so stringent that I am sure if a minority student has been granted admission, they are most certainly prepared for the rigors of academic study.
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« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2012, 02:03:10 PM »


well after attending an HBCU for undergrad and med school . and  geting  a masters from an Ivy league school--I found that the only difference was at HBCU we had multiple choice questions and the PWC were more essay orientated and required more book readings.
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« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2012, 02:05:31 PM »

^^^ nod My Grad School experience almost ALWAYS included TWO tests; a mid-term and a final exam.

But I did JUST AS WELL AS THE BEST white students and BETTER than MOST.
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« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2012, 02:06:36 PM »

humanities degrees are inherently "easier" and therefore that is why Black students are changing their major to "easier" disciplines. On top of that they are asserting that Black students just can't cut it at Duke which I don't believe is true. Their admissions standards are so stringent that I am sure if a minority student has been granted admission, they are most certainly prepared for the rigors of academic study.


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« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2012, 03:42:49 PM »

http://money.cnn.com/video/news/2011/12/02/n_engineers_quit.cnnmoney/

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Why Science Majors Change Their Minds (It’s Just So Darn Hard)
By CHRISTOPHER DREW
Published: November 4, 2011

LAST FALL, President Obama threw what was billed as the first White House Science Fair, a photo op in the gilt-mirrored State Dining Room. He tested a steering wheel designed by middle schoolers to detect distracted driving and peeked inside a robot that plays soccer. It was meant as an inspirational moment: children, science is fun; work harder.

Politicians and educators have been wringing their hands for years over test scores showing American students falling behind their counterparts in Slovenia and Singapore. How will the United States stack up against global rivals in innovation? The president and industry groups have called on colleges to graduate 10,000 more engineers a year and 100,000 new teachers with majors in STEM — science, technology, engineering and math. All the Sputnik-like urgency has put classrooms from kindergarten through 12th grade — the pipeline, as they call it — under a microscope. And there are encouraging signs, with surveys showing the number of college freshmen interested in majoring in a STEM field on the rise.

But, it turns out, middle and high school students are having most of the fun, building their erector sets and dropping eggs into water to test the first law of motion. The excitement quickly fades as students brush up against the reality of what David E. Goldberg, an emeritus engineering professor, calls “the math-science death march.” Freshmen in college wade through a blizzard of calculus, physics and chemistry in lecture halls with hundreds of other students. And then many wash out.

Studies have found that roughly 40 percent of students planning engineering and science majors end up switching to other subjects or failing to get any degree. That increases to as much as 60 percent when pre-medical students, who typically have the strongest SAT scores and high school science preparation, are included, according to new data from the University of California at Los Angeles. That is twice the combined attrition rate of all other majors.

For educators, the big question is how to keep the momentum being built in the lower grades from dissipating once the students get to college.

“We’re losing an alarming proportion of our nation’s science talent once the students get to college,” says Mitchell J. Chang, an education professor at U.C.L.A. who has studied the matter. “It’s not just a K-12 preparation issue.”

Professor Chang says that rather than losing mainly students from disadvantaged backgrounds or with lackluster records, the attrition rate can be higher at the most selective schools, where he believes the competition overwhelms even well-qualified students.

“You’d like to think that since these institutions are getting the best students, the students who go there would have the best chances to succeed,” he says. “But if you take two students who have the same high school grade-point average and SAT scores, and you put one in a highly selective school like Berkeley and the other in a school with lower average scores like Cal State, that Berkeley student is at least 13 percent less likely than the one at Cal State to finish a STEM degree.”


The bulk of attrition comes in engineering and among pre-med majors, who typically leave STEM fields if their hopes for medical school fade. There is no doubt that the main majors are difficult and growing more complex. Some students still lack math preparation or aren’t willing to work hard enough.

Other deterrents are the tough freshman classes, typically followed by two years of fairly abstract courses leading to a senior research or design project. “It’s dry and hard to get through, so if you can create an oasis in there, it would be a good thing,” says Dr. Goldberg, who retired last year as an engineering professor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign and is now an education consultant. He thinks the president’s chances of getting his 10,000 engineers is “essentially nil.”

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