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« on: May 21, 2011, 05:40:32 PM »

 no Another neo-con nutball... crazy


Maine state Rep. Frederick Ladd Wintle, a Republican from Garland, was arrested on charges of carrying a concealed weapon and criminal threatening with a dangerous weapon Saturday after a run-in with a press photographer, the Portland Press Herald reported.

Wintle was in the parking lot of a Dunkin Donuts in Waterville, Maine, talking to Morning Sentinel Michael Seamans about a 12-week-old baby that died earlier in the week at the Mid-Maine Homeless Shelter. Wintle said he was looking for the baby's mother's drug dealer, then pulled a .22 caliber gun out of his waistband and waved it in Seamans' face at point-blank range.

Sgt. Alan Main of the Waterville Police Department, which arrested Wintle, called Seamans an "innocent bystander."

"He certainly did nothing wrong and certainly did his best to try to diffuse the potential harm to himself," Main told the Portland Press Herald.

According to his biography on Maine.gov, Wintle "enjoys refurbishing antique furniture and spending time with his five children."
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« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2011, 06:28:38 PM »

Damn... he was gonna shoot the man because of what now?!?  tiptoe
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Does THIS look like the face of someone who was in the fight of his life? REALLY?
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« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2011, 09:26:15 PM »

He was probably selling "wuff tickets"!!

"Yeah, Ima gonna find that mofo drug dealer and when I do Ima gonna let him have it with my .22 pea shooter!!!"

.22!!!!!  Roll Eyes
Man, get a real gun. 

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« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2011, 07:00:16 AM »

Never pull a weapon on anyone unless you are going to kill him.

Dumbass.
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« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2011, 08:20:57 AM »

Never pull a weapon on anyone unless you are going to kill him.

Dumbass.

Thats real
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« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2011, 10:14:44 AM »

All hat; no cattle.
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« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2011, 11:33:37 AM »

Has the wild west gone to Maine?
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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2011, 05:43:21 PM »

No; the ENTIRE country.  no

Remember; gangbangers have been playing with firearms since the crack epidemic struck. Now the rednecks and teabaggers wanna play too.

The ONLY solution is restrict who can own handguns, plain and simple.  shrug
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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2011, 05:51:24 PM »

No; the ENTIRE country.  no

Remember; gangbangers have been playing with firearms since the crack epidemic struck. Now the rednecks and teabaggers wanna play too.

The ONLY solution is restrict who can own handguns, plain and simple.  shrug

When are you going to turn yours in?  Hypocrite. 
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« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2011, 02:55:53 PM »

No; the ENTIRE country.  no

Remember; gangbangers have been playing with firearms since the crack epidemic struck. Now the rednecks and teabaggers wanna play too.

The ONLY solution is restrict who can own handguns, plain and simple.  shrug
Sorry there Scotts but it's been proven..more guns = less crime. GO VIKINGS!!!
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« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2011, 03:22:10 PM »

You need to show me those stats uchi - and the link please...

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Wintle said he was looking for the baby's mother's drug dealer, then pulled a .22 caliber gun out of his waistband and waved it in Seamans' face at point-blank range.


And if the drug dealer had jumped out on this fool, you'd still be scraping the manure from his shoes and legs... Roll Eyes
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« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2011, 03:38:32 PM »

You need to show me those stats uchi - and the link please...


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« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2011, 05:21:31 PM »

You need to show me those stats uchi - and the link please...

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Wintle said he was looking for the baby's mother's drug dealer, then pulled a .22 caliber gun out of his waistband and waved it in Seamans' face at point-blank range.


And if the drug dealer had jumped out on this fool, you'd still be scraping the manure from his shoes and legs... Roll Eyes
The FBI reported in 2009 that while gun ownership in the US rose 12%....violent crime went down 10%. Study after study have show that more guns do not equal more crime...in fact the opposite is true. These are studies done by the Stanford Law Review...the Harvard Journal of Law and Publice Safety. John Lott, has written a book on the subject. After the gun ban in DC was lifted....the crime rate dropped. There is absolutely no evidence to the contrary. GO VIKINGS!!!
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« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2011, 05:30:45 PM »

ABC News agrees with uch.  Full story

The Cato Journal supports uch also.

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« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2011, 05:42:10 PM »

Studies Against

Academic studies that have rejected Lott's conclusions include the following.

With the exception of the 2003 study by John J. Donohue, these studies generally contend that there seems to be little or no effect on crime from the passage of license-to-carry laws. Donohue's 2003 study finds an increase in violence.

Jens Ludwig, Do Permissive Concealed-Carry Laws Reduce Violent Crime? unpublished draft dated Oct. 8, 1996, on file with Albert Alschuler. Ludwig notes a correlation between PPBF4049 (percent of population black, female, aged 40 to 49) and high crime rates in the data used in the Lott & Mustard crime trends regressions. (This factor is found as a correlation, but is not cited in Lott & Mustard 1997 as a causation.)

Albert Alschuler, Two Guns, Four Guns, Six Guns, More Guns: Does Arming the Public Reduce Crime? Valparaiso U Law Rev. Spring 1997. Alschuler notes that while PPBM2029 (as perpetrators of crime) and PPBF64+ (as victims) are strongly correlated to high homicide rates in the dataset used by Lott & Mustard 1997, PPBF4049 is rated more highly as a predictor of homicide rate. Alschuler notes that Lott supplied him with his copy of Ludwig's 1996 paper as well as the Lott & Mustard data.

Franklin Zimring and Gordon Hawkins, Concealed Handguns: The Counterfeit Deterrent, 7 The Responsive Community 2 (Spring 1997). Zimring & Hawkins cite recognition of the legitimacy of defensive gun use as an impediment to the socially desirable goal of eliminating private ownership of handguns and set out to criticise Lott & Mustard.

Both Albert Alschuler and Jens Ludwig note a number of problems in their separate papers. Why, for example, should the concentration of older black women in a population predict higher crime rates in the Lott and Mustard model, but not the increased concentration of young men, age 20 to 29, who are vastly more likely to commit such offenses?

David Hemenway, 'Review of More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun-Control Laws', New England Journal of Medicine, 1998.[10]

Hemenway's review states Lott finds, for example, that both increasing the rate of unemployment and reducing income reduces the rate of violent crimes and that reducing the number of black women 40 years old or older (who are rarely either perpetrators or victims of murder) substantially reduces murder rates. Indeed, according to Lott's results, getting rid of older black women will lead to a more dramatic reduction in homicide rates than increasing arrest rates or enacting shall-issue laws

Rutgers sociology professor Ted Goertzel stated that "Lott’s massive data set was simply unsuitable for his task", and that he "compar[ed] trends in Idaho and West Virginia and Mississippi with trends in Washington, D.C. and New York City" without proper statistical controls. He alleged that econometric methods (such as the Lott & Mustard RTC study or the Levitt & Donohue abortion study) are susceptible to misuse and can even become junk science.[11]

Ian Ayres, Yale Law School, and John Donohue, Stanford Law School, 'Shooting Down the More Guns, Less Crime Hypothesis'. Stanford Law Review, 2003.[12]

Jens Ludwig, Georgetown University, "Concealed-Gun-Carrying Laws and
Violent Crime: Evidence from State Panel Data", published in International Review of Law and Economics, 1998.[13]

Dan Black and Daniel Nagin, "Do 'Right-to-Carry' Laws Deter Violent Crime?" Journal of Legal Studies, Vol. 27, No. 1, pp. 209–213 (January 1998).

Mark Duggan, University of Chicago, "More Guns, More Crime," National Bureau of Economic Research, NBER Working Paper No. W7967, October 2000, later published in Journal of Political Economy.[14]

Steven Levitt, University of Chicago, 'Understanding Why Crime Fell in the 1990s: Four Factors that Explain the Decline and Six that Do Not'. Journal of Economic Perspectives, 2004.[15] Levitt lists 'Laws allowing a right to carry concealed weapons' as number five in his list of 'Six Factors that Played Little or No Role in the Crime Decline'.

Jeffrey Miron, Boston University, 'Violence, Guns, and Drugs: A Cross-Country Analysis'. The Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001.[16]

Tomislav V. Kovandzic and Thomas B. Marvell, "Right-To-Carry Concealed Firearms and Violent Crime: Crime Control Through Gun Decontrol?" Criminology and Public Policy 2, (2003) pages 363-396.

John J. Donahue III, Stanford Law School, 'The Final Bullet in the Body of the More Guns, Less Crime Hypothesis', Criminology and Public Policy, 2003.[17]

John Donohue and Ian Ayres. "More Guns, Less Crime Fails Again: The Latest Evidence from 1977–2006" Econ Journal Watch 6.2 (2009): 218-238

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/More_Guns,_Less_Crime
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