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« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2010, 07:11:09 PM »


What do you call them other than savages and thugs?

I didn't want this racist tidbit from Zero to be lost in the midst of the discussion.

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« Reply #31 on: January 21, 2010, 09:50:08 AM »


What do you call them other than savages and thugs?

I didn't want this racist tidbit from Zero to be lost in the midst of the discussion.

 Afro
If they were white you'd call them the same thing. GO VIKINGS!!!
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« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2010, 11:18:49 PM »

Au contraire, mon ami!   nono2 nono2 (Sorry, I didn't see your reply until now.)  I would only do so sarcastically to mock Olds..t's racist rantings.

But what I, a sensible and intelligent and non-racist person, would call them is not the issue.

But, moving on......

Here is something from a Haitian lawyer, a woman, re: some of the news coverage.
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Ezili Dantò's Note:

HLLN will not tolerate the maligning of the Haitian people.

We urge all in this Network please use some of these points made below to send

letters to MSNBC, Foxnews, Reuters, AP, CNN et al. Let them know you won't

tolerate the criminalizing of the good people of Haiti.  Please send us a

letter we could circulate. Many hands make light a heavy load.


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To the Mr. Champagne



Re: Mr. Champagne's Haitian Lawyers Association letter dated Jan. 19 2010 and

copied below and made a part herein



Sir, in your letter dated January 19, 2019 to President Obama, you write, on

behalf of the Haitian Lawyers Association, inter alia, that your organization,

the Haitian Lawyers Association in Miami, Florida:



"urge the administration to address the rising lawlessness, created by the

criminals who have escaped Haiti's broken penitentiary.  Not only does it

threaten the current humanitarian relief efforts, but it also unacceptably

increases the vulnerability of women and children, many of whom now orphans..

More should be done to curtail the lawlessness before it becomes

uncontrollable."



Point one:  As lawyers and advocates who represented many of the detainees who

were in the National Penitentiary, we find your statements criminally

negligent, odious, irresponsible and not based on any verifiable facts.  It is

a well-known fact, that most of those detainees you are depicting as "criminals

who escaped from the National Penitentiary were poor Haitians from poor

neighborhoods who were summarily rounded up into preventive or indefinite

detention during the 2004 Bush/Bicentennial coup d'etat without ever being

charged, tried or convicted of any crime. As of 2008, it is reported that there

were 8,204 prisoners in Haiti and of this only 1,764 have been convicted of a

crime. Of the 8,204, 3900 were warehoused at the National Penitentiary.



The majority awaiting charge and a hearing, some suffering five years of

prolonged detention, without ever having been charged, tried or convicted of

any crime. These prison population statistics come from the 2008 US State

Department Human Rights Report on Haiti and do "not include the large number of

persons held in police stations around the country in 'preventive detention'

(without a hearing or filed charges)."



For your legal association to call them "criminals" is unethical. For most were

indefinitely detained without any charges, hearing or trial and have never been

charged with a crime.



Point two: It is reported that when the earthquake hit, the wall of the

National Penitentiary collapse on these men, most of whom have suffered

tremendous injustice of indefinite incarceration without charge, and whose

wives, children, mothers and families lost valuable time they could have had

with their love one but for their unjust and illegal incarceration. Their

"escape" Mr. Champagne was when concrete fell on their heads!



There is NO EVIDENCE that these men are either criminals or committing crimes

right now.



We don't know how injured they were when the Penitentiary collapsed on them or

how many perished and for you to repeat, like a parrot, what you are hearing

from CNN, Fox news and MSNBS is unprofessional. As a legal organization you are

charged with knowing the law and speaking factually. This depiction is

objectionable also, especially as most reporters and even the general on the

ground have said there is no significant violence amongst the earthquake

wounded, thirsty and hungry. This idea of POTENTIAL violence, or as you put it

"the rising lawlessness, created by the criminals who have escaped Haiti's

broken penitentiary" is defamation and libel against people who are not here to

defend themselves but HLLN is and we demand a retraction.



Point three: HLLN runs the Ezili Danto Witness Project and we have people on

the ground in Haiti. Their first hand account of the current situation is that

a natural disaster of epic proportion has hit the poorest of the poor and they

are wounded, hungry, hurt, traumatized and most without food, clean water and

medical treatment since last Tuesday. For you Mr. Richard to criminalize and

vilified these people at such a time is repugnant. The people of Haiti are not

violent or naturally prone to lawlessness. The US is statistically more violent

than Haiti and the only times, in the past 20 years, that  the violence in

Haiti increases is when the US supports death squads and regime change that

massacre the poor.



Point four: Haiti needs conscious disaster relief with human rights and

dignity, it does not need your propaganda Mr. Champagne alleging the innate

violence of people who were not ever committed of any crimes. Medical relief,

food, shelter and water are its priority right now, not 12,000-pentagon gun ,

to, as you write "curtail the lawlessness before it becomes uncontrollable."

This projection of fear is arbitrary and capricious Mr. Champagne.



Here are two reports that contradict your irresponsible assertions about the

current situation in Haiti:

1. Doctor: Misinformation and Racism Have Frozen Recovery Effort at General

Hospital in Port-au-Prince | http://bit.ly/7zZ4gu

“There are no security issues,” says Dr. Evan Lyon of Partners in Health,

reporting from the General Hospital in Port-Au-Prince in Haiti, where 1,000

people are in need of operations. Lyon said the reports of violence in the city

have been overblown by the media and have affected the delivery of aid and

medical services. http://bit.ly/7zZ4gu



2. Tell CNN to stop hyping fears of violence in Haiti. For shame at

http://bit.ly/6bXnPz



HLLN is working at over capacity right now.



But, we are prepared to provide testimony, including from some who were held

indefinitely, detained without ever having been convicted or charged with a

crime, and who are now seriously injured and dying and who you are maligning.

Their survivors are ready for a class action suit against the media and you and

your organization, Mr. Richard, to take all to court for this

vilification/defamation. As HLLN is working over capacity, we are prepared to

make a general call to human rights attorneys who wish to assist should your

organization not make a retraction IMMEDIATELY.



This letter will go public - on facebook, twitter, our blogs and all the social

networks and to the Ezili Listserve. We are hereby asking civil rights and

human rights lawyers who would like to assist the earthquake victims to help

HLLN stop the maligning and criminalization of the people of Haiti and

anticipate your retraction within the next 3 days.



Very Truly Yours,

Ezili Dantò

Haitian Lawyers Leadership Network

[no link; this came in an email]

Factual information CAN change perception, if one is fair-minded.

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« Reply #33 on: January 27, 2010, 07:34:14 AM »

it looks like the liberal networks are guilty of what you people are accusing fox news of doing.  when will you people learn.
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« Reply #34 on: January 27, 2010, 09:09:15 PM »

What is it exactly that you, who believes that Fox has no political agenda, think others have failed to learn?
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« Reply #35 on: January 28, 2010, 05:10:59 AM »



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« Reply #36 on: January 28, 2010, 11:01:41 AM »

While curently working in an ops center directly in the assisitance for US forces in or heading to  Haiti the difference in coverage is startling.

Fox literally is trying to portray the Haitians as savages ( fights, violence, roaming mobs,etc).

While CNN tries to find  the human interest ( lost relatives, children under rubble). Don't think either is by circumstance.

What do you call them other than savages and thugs?

Try human beings you miserable rat *&^%$#@...I pray that you are never involved in any type of catastrophic situation. Then we'll see just how well you fare.
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« Reply #37 on: January 28, 2010, 07:55:35 PM »

Oh, the e-mails just keep on coming!!!  Here is one that I had to respond to in another forum:

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Shades of Atlanta, New Orleans, WashDC, Detroit, et.al....will people never learn!!

Subject: Haiti

This from a friend. read and pass on to all your email listings

News back from N---- --------. He and D------ ------ made it back somewhat safe and sound.

To All,

I just returned from Haiti with H-----. We flew in at 3 AM Sunday to the scene of such incredible destruction on one side, and enormous ineptitude and criminal neglect on the other.

Port o Prince is in ruins. The rest of the country is fairly intact.Our team was a rescue team and we carried special equipment that locates people buried under the rubble. There are easily 200,000 dead, the city smells like a charnal house. The bloody UN was there for 5 years doing apparently nothing but wasting US Taxpayers money. The ones I ran into were either incompeyent or outright anti american. Most are French or french speakers, worthless every damn one of them. While 18oo rescuers were ready willing and able to leave the airport and go do our jobs, the UN and USAID ( another organization full of little OBamites and communisrts that openly speak against Amerivca) These two organizations exemplared their parochialism by:

USAID, when in control of all inbound flights, had food and water flights stacked up all the way to Miami, yet allowed Geraldo Rivera, Anderson Cooper and a host of other left wing news puppies to land.

Pulled all the security off the rescue teams so that Bill Clinton and his wife could have the grand tour, whilst we sat unable to get to people trapped in the rubble.

Stacked enough food and water for the relief over at the side of the airfield then put a guard on it while we dehydrated and wouldn't release a drop of it to the resuers.

No shower facilities to decontaminate after digging or moving corpses all day, except for the FEMA teams hwo brought their own shower and decon equipment, as well as air conditioned tents.

No latrine facilities, less digging a hole if you set up a shitter everyone was trying to use it.

I watched a 25 year old Obamite with the USAID shrieking hysterically, berate a full bird colonel in the air force, because he countermanded her orders, whiulst trying to unscrew the air pattern. " You dont know what your president wants! The military isnt in charge here we are!"

If any of you are thinking of giving money to the Haitian relief, or to the UN dont waste your money. It will only go to further the goals of the French and the Liberal left.

If we are a fair and even society, why is it that only white couples are adopting haitian orphans. Where the hell is that vocal minority that is alweays screaming about the injustice of American society.

Bad place, bad situation, but a perfect look at the new world order in action. New Orleans magnified a thousand times. Haiti doesn't need democracy, what Haiti needs is Papa Doc. That's not just my opinion , that is what virtually every Haitian we talked with said. the French run the UN treat us the same as when we were a colony, at least Papa Doc ran the country.

Oh, and as a last slap in the face the last four of us had to take US AIRWAYs home from Phoenix. They slapped me with a 590 dollar baggage charge for the four of us. The girl at the counter was almost in tears because she couldn't give us a discount or she would lose her job. Pass that on to the flying public.

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« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2010, 06:18:40 AM »

Opitmus, I find it very hard to believe all of what's said in that email because of writer's political bend and characterizations. Had he/she left that out, and just reported what he experienced hands on without the "Obamites/liberal/left-wing" diatribe included, I could have empathized with him. He lost all credibility with me at the first political mentioning. no
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« Reply #39 on: January 29, 2010, 08:28:52 AM »

That email is a crock of s***. The NGO/military clashes are not anything new.
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« Reply #40 on: March 01, 2010, 02:17:23 PM »


What do you call them other than savages and thugs?

I didn't want this racist tidbit from Zero to be lost in the midst of the discussion.

 Afro
If they were white you'd call them the same thing. GO VIKINGS!!!

See what I'm talking about, highlander?

The very same day of the quake in Chile, Chileans were looting stores, etc. 
One guy had a mid-size refrigerator on his shoulders, altho there may not even have been electricity at the time.

Where are Olds..t's comments about "SAVAGES AND THUGS"??

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« Reply #41 on: March 01, 2010, 03:12:50 PM »


What do you call them other than savages and thugs?

I didn't want this racist tidbit from Zero to be lost in the midst of the discussion.

 Afro
If they were white you'd call them the same thing. GO VIKINGS!!!

See what I'm talking about, highlander?

The very same day of the quake in Chile, Chileans were looting stores, etc. 
One guy had a mid-size refrigerator on his shoulders, altho there may not even have been electricity at the time.

Where are Olds..t's comments about "SAVAGES AND THUGS"??

 Afro


I want to know where all the outrage is about the local networks carrying the news and showing pictures of the looting? If it were FOX news you all would be up in arms. GO VIKINGS!!!
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« Reply #42 on: March 03, 2010, 07:31:26 AM »

highlander,

Folks were complaining about what they perceived as a difference in coverage between the networks.

I personally posted info from Haitians complaining about ALL the networks.

I notice however, you did not address my comment (even though you "quoted" it) about Olds..t.

See y'all tonight!  Maybe by then, highlander, you'll tell us if you support the Obama admin's decision to try the underwear bomber in Fed court.  It's been, what?, a week!

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« Reply #43 on: March 03, 2010, 11:50:19 AM »

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« Reply #44 on: March 03, 2010, 03:36:46 PM »

highlander,

Folks were complaining about what they perceived as a difference in coverage between the networks.

I personally posted info from Haitians complaining about ALL the networks.

I notice however, you did not address my comment (even though you "quoted" it) about Olds..t.

See y'all tonight!  Maybe by then, highlander, you'll tell us if you support the Obama admin's decision to try the underwear bomber in Fed court.  It's been, what?, a week!

 Afro
No I don't support trying him in Fed court. Where did I quote Olds? GO VIKINGS!!!
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