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« on: November 29, 2009, 05:27:17 AM »

A report from a US senate committee has criticised the failure of Bush administration to use all available military means to pursue and capture the Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden eight years ago.

The report says the decision had enormous consequences, including laying the foundation for the protracted Afghan insurgency.

Prepared by the Senate foreign relations committee, the report comes just days before US President Barack Obama is due to announce his decision on boosting American troop numbers in Afghanistan.

It says the previous defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, and his top military commanders must take some of the blame for the current state of the conflict.

The report says US military action in Afghanistan was originally conceived as a swift campaign with a single objective: to defeat the Taliban and destroy Al Qaeda by capturing or killing its leader, Osama bin Laden.

But the military strategy was faulty and its failure meant a lost opportunity to defeat international terrorism.

"The decisions that opened the door for his escape to Pakistan allowed bin Laden to emerge as a potent symbolic figure who continues to attract a steady flow of money and inspire fanatics worldwide," the report says.

"The failure to finish the job represents a lost opportunity that forever altered the course of the conflict in Afghanistan and the future of international terrorism, leaving the American people more vulnerable to terrorism, laying the foundation for today's protracted Afghan insurgency and inflaming the internal strife now endangering Pakistan."

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« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2009, 05:30:35 AM »

Bin Laden 'unmolested'

Bin Laden was apparently convinced that the sustained bombardment of the mountains, where he was believed to be hiding with about 100 followers, with up to 100 air raids a day would leave him dead.

On December 14, 2001, he wrote a will, the reports says, instructing his wives not to remarry and apologising to his children for devoting himself to jihad.

But just days later he was able to walk "unmolested" out of Afghan territory into Pakistan's tribal areas, where he is widely believed to still be living.

Rumsfeld had expressed concerns at the time that ordering many more troops into the area to hunt Bin laden would create an anti-American backlash and fuel support for al-Qaeda and the Taliban. Roll Eyes

The report was based on reviews of existing literature, unclassified government records and interviews with participants.

Staff members for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee's Democratic majority prepared the report at the request of the chairman, Senator John Kerry.
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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2009, 08:53:28 AM »

The neo-cons NEEDED obl alive. The had to have a boogie man to frighten the American people into ceeding them... the bush administration... the unlimited power they needed to continue the economic and civil rights RAPE of America.

That wouldn't have happened if the war had been brought to a swift conclusion.

So they let him go, KNOWING that he would continue to release his periodic psychobabble pedantic jihadist rants on tape, helping them achieve their goal of an American public so distracted by fear that they, the neo-cons could not only increase their own political power, but also enrich their individual financial portfolios.  Angry
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« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2009, 09:45:28 AM »

Now you understand why the Bin Laden family was collected from across the country on 9/11 and flown out to Saudi Arabia. They were all in it (still are) together. Is the Raceway gas station chain worth all of this?
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« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2009, 10:19:29 AM »

STATING THE OBVIOUS is sometimes beneficial and even necessary....particularly when there are those who are in d'Nile about the past and are pretending that Bush was actually serious about capturing bin Laden.

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P.S.  Thanks, soflorattler, for the article and link.
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« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2009, 11:40:54 AM »

From the article:

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From the outset, Berntsen says he was skeptical about relying on
Afghan militias ‘‘cobbled together at the last minute’’ to capture or
kill the man who ordered the 9/11 attacks. ‘‘I’d made it clear in my
reports that our Afghan allies were hardly anxious to get at al
Qaeda in Tora Bora,’’ he wrote in his own book, Jawbreaker, which
was published in late 2005. He also knew that the special operations
troops and CIA operatives on the scene were not enough to
stop bin Laden from escaping across the mountain passes. In the
book, Berntsen uses exclamation points to vent his fears that the
most wanted man in the world was about to slip out of our grasp.
‘‘We needed U.S. soldiers on the ground!’’ he wrote. ‘‘I’d sent my
request for 800 U.S. Army Rangers and was still waiting for a response.
I repeated to anyone at headquarters who would listen: We
need Rangers now! The opportunity to get bin Laden and his men
is slipping away!!’’
At one point, Berntsen recalled an argument at a CIA guesthouse
in Kabul with Maj. Gen. Dell Dailey, the commander of U.S.
special operations forces in Afghanistan at the time. Berntsen said
he renewed his demand that American troops be dispatched to
Tora Bora immediately. Following orders from Franks at U.S. Central
Command (CentCom) headquarters at MacDill Air Force Base
in Tampa, Florida, Dailey refused to deploy U.S. troops, explaining
that he feared alienating Afghan allies.
‘‘I don’t give a damn about offending our allies!’’ Berntsen shouted.
‘‘I only care about eliminating al Qaeda and delivering bin
Laden’s head in a box!’’
Dailey said the military’s position was firm and Berntsen replied,
‘‘Screw that!’’
For those like Franks, who later maintained that bin Laden
might not have been at Tora Bora, Berntsen is respectfully scornful.
‘‘We could have ended it all there,’’ he said in an interview.
Berntsen’s views were generally shared by Gary Schroen, another
senior CIA operative in Afghanistan. Schroen, who had spent
years cultivating ties to Afghanistan’s opposition elements, bemoaned
the reliance on local tribal leaders to go after bin Laden
and guard escape routes. ‘‘Unfortunately, many of those people
proved to be loyal to bin Laden and sympathizers with the Taliban
and they allowed the key guys to escape,’’ Schroen, who retired
from the CIA, said in a television interview in May 2005. He added
that he had no doubt that bin Laden was at Tora Bora.
Franks’ second-in-command during the war, General DeLong,
was convinced that bin Laden was at Tora Bora. In his memoir, Inside
CentCom, DeLong described the massive, three-week bombing
campaign aimed at killing Al Qaeda fighters in their caves at Tora
Bora. ‘‘We were hot on Osama bin Laden’s trail,’’ he wrote. ‘‘He was
definitely there when we hit the caves. Every day during the bombing,
Rumsfeld asked me, ‘Did we get him? Did we get him?’ I would
have to answer that we didn’t know.’’ The retired general said that
intelligence suggested bin Laden had been wounded during the
bombings before he escaped to Pakistan, a conclusion reached by
numerous journalists, too.
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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2009, 02:13:04 PM »

Now you understand why the Bin Laden family was collected from across the country on 9/11 and flown out to Saudi Arabia. They were all in it (still are) together. Is the Raceway gas station chain worth all of this?

Homeboy, I KNOW that YOU knew that one of the early investors in Ws' first oil company was the bin laden family, just like pappy bush had ties to the bin ladens.

Now you SEE why bush let the bin ladens fly home while the rest of the airlines across North America were grounded after 9/11.  Angry
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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2009, 02:33:52 PM »

And, remember, that they were left pretty much alone with only a brief interview with the FBI.

But, of course, it was W's "uncle", the Saudi ambasssador to the US, a frequent guest at the Bush home, who negotiated the family's departure.

Can you IMAGINE the kind of comments that the FAR RIGHT (not to mention crackpots) or OS would be making if that kind of relationship had been between the Saudis and a democrat president - NOT TO EVEN CONTEMPLATE the kind of accusations of TREASON AND SUPPORT FOR TERRORISTS that would have been hurled if Obama was involved!?!?!?!

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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2009, 05:16:20 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2009, 11:04:06 PM »

You are a liar, y04.

What lie did I tell?
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« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2009, 09:13:58 AM »

A report from a US senate committee has criticised the failure of Bush administration to use all available military means to pursue and capture the Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden eight years ago.

The report says the decision had enormous consequences, including laying the foundation for the protracted Afghan insurgency.

Prepared by the Senate foreign relations committee, the report comes just days before US President Barack Obama is due to announce his decision on boosting American troop numbers in Afghanistan.

It says the previous defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, and his top military commanders must take some of the blame for the current state of the conflict.

The report says US military action in Afghanistan was originally conceived as a swift campaign with a single objective: to defeat the Taliban and destroy Al Qaeda by capturing or killing its leader, Osama bin Laden.

But the military strategy was faulty and its failure meant a lost opportunity to defeat international terrorism.

"The decisions that opened the door for his escape to Pakistan allowed bin Laden to emerge as a potent symbolic figure who continues to attract a steady flow of money and inspire fanatics worldwide," the report says.

"The failure to finish the job represents a lost opportunity that forever altered the course of the conflict in Afghanistan and the future of international terrorism, leaving the American people more vulnerable to terrorism, laying the foundation for today's protracted Afghan insurgency and inflaming the internal strife now endangering Pakistan."

- BBC

The first failure was Clinton's which could have prevented the 9/11 attack in the first place and sent Al Qaida into a state of disorganization. YOU STUPID a-- IDIOTS.

December 5, 2001  
 

Clinton Let Bin Laden Slip Away and Metastasize

Sudan offered up the terrorist and data on his network. The then-president and his advisors didn't respond.

        
By MANSOOR IJAZ
President Clinton and his national security team ignored several opportunities to capture Osama bin Laden and his terrorist associates, including one as late as last year.

I know because I negotiated more than one of the opportunities.

From 1996 to 1998, I opened unofficial channels between Sudan and the Clinton administration. I met with officials in both countries, including Clinton, U.S. National Security Advisor Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger and Sudan's president and intelligence chief. President Omar Hassan Ahmed Bashir, who wanted terrorism sanctions against Sudan lifted, offered the arrest and extradition of Bin Laden and detailed intelligence data about the global networks constructed by Egypt's Islamic Jihad, Iran's Hezbollah and the Palestinian Hamas.

Among those in the networks were the two hijackers who piloted commercial airliners into the World Trade Center.

The silence of the Clinton administration in responding to these offers was deafening.

As an American Muslim and a political supporter of Clinton, I feel now, as I argued with Clinton and Berger then, that their counter-terrorism policies fueled the rise of Bin Laden from an ordinary man to a Hydra-like monster.

Realizing the growing problem with Bin Laden, Bashir sent key intelligence officials to the U.S. in February 1996.

The Sudanese offered to arrest Bin Laden and extradite him to Saudi Arabia or, barring that, to "baby-sit" him--monitoring all his activities and associates.

But Saudi officials didn't want their home-grown terrorist back where he might plot to overthrow them.

In May 1996, the Sudanese capitulated to U.S. pressure and asked Bin Laden to leave, despite their feeling that he could be monitored better in Sudan than elsewhere.

Bin Laden left for Afghanistan, taking with him Ayman Zawahiri, considered by the U.S. to be the chief planner of the Sept. 11 attacks; Mamdouh Mahmud Salim, who traveled frequently to Germany to obtain electronic equipment for Al Qaeda; Wadih El-Hage, Bin Laden's personal secretary and roving emissary, now serving a life sentence in the U.S. for his role in the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya; and Fazul Abdullah Mohammed and Saif Adel, also accused of carrying out the embassy attacks.

Some of these men are now among the FBI's 22 most-wanted terrorists.

The two men who allegedly piloted the planes into the twin towers, Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi, prayed in the same Hamburg mosque as did Salim and Mamoun Darkazanli, a Syrian trader who managed Salim's bank accounts and whose assets are frozen.

Important data on each had been compiled by the Sudanese.

But U.S. authorities repeatedly turned the data away, first in February 1996; then again that August, when at my suggestion Sudan's religious ideologue, Hassan Turabi, wrote directly to Clinton; then again in April 1997, when I persuaded Bashir to invite the FBI to come to Sudan and view the data; and finally in February 1998, when Sudan's intelligence chief, Gutbi al-Mahdi, wrote directly to the FBI.

Gutbi had shown me some of Sudan's data during a three-hour meeting in Khartoum in October 1996. When I returned to Washington, I told Berger and his specialist for East Africa, Susan Rice, about the data available. They said they'd get back to me. They never did. Neither did they respond when Bashir made the offer directly. I believe they never had any intention to engage Muslim countries--ally or not. Radical Islam, for the administration, was a convenient national security threat.

And that was not the end of it. In July 2000--three months before the deadly attack on the destroyer Cole in Yemen--I brought the White House another plausible offer to deal with Bin Laden, by then known to be involved in the embassy bombings. A senior counter-terrorism official from one of the United States' closest Arab allies--an ally whose name I am not free to divulge--approached me with the proposal after telling me he was fed up with the antics and arrogance of U.S. counter-terrorism officials.

The offer, which would have brought Bin Laden to the Arab country as the first step of an extradition process that would eventually deliver him to the U.S., required only that Clinton make a state visit there to personally request Bin Laden's extradition. But senior Clinton officials sabotaged the offer, letting it get caught up in internal politics within the ruling family--Clintonian diplomacy at its best.

Clinton's failure to grasp the opportunity to unravel increasingly organized extremists, coupled with Berger's assessments of their potential to directly threaten the U.S., represents one of the most serious foreign policy failures in American history.

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Mansoor Ijaz, a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, is chairman of a New York-based investment company.
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« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2009, 09:38:49 AM »

Amazing oldsport did you read what you posted?
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« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2009, 09:48:45 AM »

Amazing oldsport did you read what you posted?

Yes, and I think it made my point- IDIOT.
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« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2009, 03:25:59 PM »

Amazing oldsport did you read what you posted?

Yes, and I think it made my point- IDIOT.

Your mother must have been an idiot, because that seems to be the primary content of your developmental vocabulary.
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« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2009, 10:26:27 PM »

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Sept. 30, 2001
 Bin Laden Family Evacuated
Private Chartered Plane Took Family Back To Saudi Arabia


(CBS)  Two dozen members of Osama bin Laden's family were urgently evacuated from the United States in the first days following the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, according to the Saudi ambassador to Washington.

One of bin Laden's brothers frantically called the Saudi Arabian Embassy in Washington looking for protection, Prince Bandar bin Sultan told The New York Times. The brother was sent to a room in the Watergate Hotel and was told not to open the door.

Most of bin Laden's relatives were attending high school and college. The young members of the bin Laden family were driven or flown under FBI supervision to a secret place in Texas and then to Washington, The Times reported Sunday.

Many were terrified, fearing they would be lynched after hearing reports of violence against Muslims and Arab-Americans.

They left the country on a private charter plane when airports reopened three days after the attacks.

King Fahd, the ailing Saudi ruler, sent an urgent message to his embassy in Washington pointing out that there were "bin Laden children all over America" and ordered, "Take measures to protect the innocents," the ambassador said.

It's a tragedy," Prince Bandar told the Times. "The elders" of the students "came to see me, and one of them was a bright boy from Harvard who like the others had absolutely nothing to do with this and yet we had to tell him to go home and wait until the emotions calmed down. And he told me that he never really appreciated why the Japanese wanted a memorial or an apology for their treatment in World War II.

The student added, according to the prince, "I understand now that when you are innocent, in the face of emotion, nothing, not even common sense, can help argue your case."

Osama bin Laden is one of more than 50 children of a Yemeni-born migrant who made a vast fortune building roads and palaces in Saudi Arabia and his extended family spans the globe. Many have been educated in the United States and the family has donated millions of dollars to several American universities.

Bin Laden is estranged from his family and from Saudi Arabia, which revoked his citizenship in the early 1990s after he was caught smuggling weapons from Yemen.

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