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« on: November 20, 2009, 10:51:51 PM »

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120540125

Hasan's Supervisor Warned Army In 2007

by Daniel Zwerdling, National Public Radio

November 18, 2009

Two years ago, a top psychiatrist at Walter Reed Army Medical Center was so concerned about what he saw as Nidal Hasan's incompetence and reckless behavior that he put those concerns in writing. NPR has obtained a copy of the memo, the first evaluation that has surfaced from Hasan's file.

Officials at Walter Reed sent that memo to Fort Hood this year when Hasan was transferred there.

Nevertheless, commanders still assigned Hasan — accused of killing 13 people in a mass shooting at Fort Hood on Nov. 5 — to work with some of the Army's most troubled and vulnerable soldiers.

The Damning Memo

On May 17, 2007, Hasan's supervisor at Walter Reed sent the memo to the Walter Reed credentials committee. It reads, "Memorandum for: Credentials Committee. Subject: CPT Nidal Hasan." More than a page long, the document warns that: "The Faculty has serious concerns about CPT Hasan's professionalism and work ethic. ... He demonstrates a pattern of poor judgment and a lack of professionalism." It is signed by the chief of psychiatric residents at Walter Reed, Maj. Scott Moran.


                                                      Alyson Hurt
In May of 2007 Dr. Scott Moran, the chief of psychiatric residents at Walter Reed, outlined his concerns about Hasan in a memo.



When shown the memo, two leading psychiatrists said it was so damning, it might have sunk Hasan's career if he had applied for a job outside the Army.

"Even if we were desperate for a psychiatrist, we would not even get him to the point where we would invite him for an interview," says Dr. Steven Sharfstein, who runs Sheppard Pratt's psychiatric medical center, based just outside Baltimore.

Sharfstein says it's a little hard to read the evaluation now and pretend that he doesn't know that Hasan is accused of shooting dozens of people. But he says if he had seen a memo like this about an applicant, Sharfstein would have avoided him like the plague.

The memo ticks off numerous problems over the course of Hasan's training, including proselytizing to his patients. It says he mistreated a homicidal patient and allowed her to escape from the emergency room, and that he blew off an important exam.

According to the memo, Hasan hardly did any work: He saw only 30 patients in 38 weeks. Sources at Walter Reed say most psychiatrists see at least 10 times that many patients. When Hasan was supposed to be on call for emergencies, he didn't even answer the phone.

Warning Signs

Sharfstein says the memo doesn't suggest that Hasan would end up shooting people, but it warns that Hasan was "somebody who could potentially put patients in danger."

"There are all kinds of warning signs, flashing red lights, that, in terms of just this paragraph, you'd say, 'Oh, no, this is not somebody that we would take a chance on.' "

U.S. Government Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences/Getty ImagesAn undated handout photo of Maj. Nidal Hasan, who is accused of killing 13 people at Fort Hood, Texas, earlier this month.


Sharfstein says that in the 25 years he has been supervising and hiring psychiatrists, he has seen only a half-dozen evaluations this bad.

The memo does have a couple of qualifications that say something positive about Hasan. It says, "He is able to self-correct with supervision." And Moran writes, "I am not able to say he is not competent to graduate."

Officials at Walter Reed told NPR that those statements were very carefully worded. What they convey is that when Hasan's supervisors read him the riot act — when they gave him intensive supervision — he would improve just enough so that they had to tell their commanders: "Hasan is capable of doing better."

But officials say nobody has the time to supervise a doctor that closely.

Alerting Fort Hood

"I would never, ever hire a physician with this kind of a record," says Judith Broder, who runs the Soldiers Project, an award-winning private therapy program for troops in Southern California.

Broder says that soldiers seeking therapy may be falling apart, filled with rage and a distrust of authority. What those soldiers need, she says, is a psychiatrist they can trust completely — not a therapist who fails to show up and abandons his patients.

"This kind of behavior could, in fact, set off a stress reaction" in a patient, she says. "It could be a trigger to a post-traumatic stress reaction."


Moran and Pentagon spokesmen declined NPR's requests for interviews for this story. Officials at Fort Hood would not comment, either.

But sources say that when the Army sent Hasan to Fort Hood earlier this year, Walter Reed sent the damning evaluation there, too. So commanders at Fort Hood would know exactly what they were getting.


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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2009, 08:00:55 AM »

stop lying cholly.  the obama administration and the democratic controlled congress SERIOUSLY dropped the ball on this guy.  he got promoted to major in may 2009.  if your people had not promoted him he would have been drummed out. 

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« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2009, 10:29:37 AM »

Both comments are silly  shrug
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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2009, 08:44:52 AM »

stop lying cholly.  the obama administration and the democratic controlled congress SERIOUSLY dropped the ball on this guy.  he got promoted to major in may 2009.  if your people had not promoted him he would have been drummed out.

Hmmmmmm, let's see; WHO was president in May '07?

Refresh my memory wh?y. Roll Eyes

WHO was sec. of the Army and WHO appointed him? Hmmmm? Who was Sec. of Defense back then? Who appointed HIM? Hmmmm?
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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2009, 10:19:03 AM »

Both comments are silly  shrug

I agree.
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« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2009, 01:42:44 PM »

cholly, who was president in may 2009 when this guy got promoted.  what party is in the majority on capitol hill that approved the promotion.  stop lying and acting stupid.
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« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2009, 03:26:53 PM »

What good does it do to try and link the actions of a madman to a party or president?   There are no indications at this time that his actions were political?  Its a long way from an Army Major to a president and lots of layers.  shrug
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« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2009, 03:39:35 PM »

Here's the deal in case you haven't figured it out....Cholly wants to put the Bush administration on trial for everything bad that happened, could have happened, or even didn't happen during his years in office. The Obama administration has taken a page out of Cholly's book and are going to do the same thing when they try the 9/11 terrorists  in N.Y. Talk about being hyperpartisn. GO VIKINGS!!!
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« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2009, 06:59:15 PM »

What good does it do to try and link the actions of a madman to a party or president?   There are no indications at this time that his actions were political?  Its a long way from an Army Major to a president and lots of layers.  shrug

I don't know about you, but the active duty people I deal with ALL admit that the climate has changed since the invasion of Iraq with respect to retention of personnel.

The politics of the war has resulted in changes in DOD policy with respect to certain specialties.

Maj hasan was in one of those specialties TARGETED by the bush administration through the DOD as a critical MOS. It was to be kept as FULLY staffed as possible.

The man REPEATEDLY tried to get out, but was turned down over and over again by the bush administrations DOD... and the reason why goes back to the HIGHLY unpopular war those DAMN republiklans started and perpetuated for illegitimate reasons.

So NO my friend; my position on this issue is NOT silly.

It's DEAD ON THE MONEY.
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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2009, 07:16:25 PM »

cholly, stop lying.  this major was not in a critical mos.  his job duty can easily be contracted out.  in many cases it is.  this major got a career killing oer and the current administration allowed him to be promoted.
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« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2009, 10:05:03 PM »

Here's the deal in case you haven't figured it out....Cholly wants to put the Bush administration on trial for everything bad that happened, could have happened, or even didn't happen during his years in office. The Obama administration has taken a page out of Cholly's book and are going to do the same thing when they try the 9/11 terrorists  in N.Y. Talk about being hyperpartisn. GO VIKINGS!!!

My comment was not so you could take a pot shot at Cholly because as I said, I don't think this makes sense to try and pin this on either administration/party.  How convenient to overlook Y's comment.  In the word of Andy Griffith "You know you beat all."
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« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2009, 03:29:31 AM »

cholly, who was president in may 2009 when this guy got promoted.  what party is in the majority on capitol hill that approved the promotion.  stop lying and acting stupid.

y, submission of the forms for promotion to the officer promotions board goes in months before the promotion is or is not awarded. The length of time it takes to be awarded depends on numerous factors. In some cases, it may take up to a year or more to move up in rank. Your argument that "he got promoted in May" is silly at best. 
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« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2009, 08:27:37 AM »

^^^Homeboy wh?y knows this because of the once or twice HE was promoted. Took YEARS for the paperwork to go through. Roll Eyes

And yeah; the bush mis-administration is responsible for that too.  Angry

bush and his policies has created an environment where the men and women of this Nations Military are stretched and stressed beyond the breaking point. THEY  can be DIRECTLY tied to incidents like this involving the breakdowns and criminal behavior of people like Maj hasan.  Angry Angry Angry
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« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2009, 10:05:19 AM »

Here's the deal in case you haven't figured it out....Cholly wants to put the Bush administration on trial for everything bad that happened, could have happened, or even didn't happen during his years in office. The Obama administration has taken a page out of Cholly's book and are going to do the same thing when they try the 9/11 terrorists  in N.Y. Talk about being hyperpartisn. GO VIKINGS!!!

My comment was not so you could take a pot shot at Cholly because as I said, I don't think this makes sense to try and pin this on either administration/party.  How convenient to overlook Y's comment.  In the word of Andy Griffith "You know you beat all."
Hardly a pot shot.....more like a direct hit!!!! GO VIKINGS!!!
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« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2009, 11:53:27 AM »

Here's the deal in case you haven't figured it out....Cholly wants to put the Bush administration on trial for everything bad that happened, could have happened, or even didn't happen during his years in office. The Obama administration has taken a page out of Cholly's book and are going to do the same thing when they try the 9/11 terrorists  in N.Y. Talk about being hyperpartisn. GO VIKINGS!!!

My comment was not so you could take a pot shot at Cholly because as I said, I don't think this makes sense to try and pin this on either administration/party.  How convenient to overlook Y's comment.  In the word of Andy Griffith "You know you beat all."
Hardly a pot shot.....more like a direct hit!!!! GO VIKINGS!!!

then quit being partisan and anal retentive and hit both. Roll Eyes
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