Can the hard right on Onnidan provide real political dialogue?

[oldsport]

OS,
Here's a question for you my friend.  Let me reface this by saying that I think you add outstanding anti-esablishment (being that most on this forum swing left) dialogue to this forum.  With that said, why do you continue to call the President of the United States Barry?  I know you have the right to use any term you wish but it stands to reason that you being an older gentlemen, even older than me, would at least respect the office of the President with some source of honor for our ancestors.  Mind you, we WILL NOT not see this again in our lifetime.   You are speaking with with one who can argue intelligently with insulting my foe.  That is what makes our degrees worth something....... I think

Barry is one of the President's names. I am not sure if he ever had it legal changed back to Barack Hussein Obama. Remember during the lead up to and during the Presidential race, it was forbidden to even refer to his middle name....

[Twin Que ASU]

OS,
I have heard Mr. President ask the media not to use the name Barry.  He had an interview with ABC in October of last year leading up to the election and his response was simply, he prefers his name given by his parents vice the nickname "Barry."  It funny that all of the mainstream media knows this and the funny part is they have generally respected that request.  Just food for thought my friend.  BTW, I still ride the horse with you on many things that have to do with the current administration and Congress.  I don't want to leave those "yahoos" out.  Congress is culpable for many of our nations ills even more so than POTUS

[Bison66]

Wow!!
 
I go to sleep and when I wake up, y'all done gone down the country, had a picnic, been to the dance and back home before I can get out of bed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And, while I am typing, y'all still at it.

Lots to digest.  I will review and pick a spot.

And, Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, ThirdEye, I have a question for you.  Were you ever HUSA VP?

   

[Bison66]

And before OS trots out the tired old cliche about how good the 1800's Repubs were to us poor Black folks, it is well to remember what happened AFTER the 'War of Northern Aggression.'

The decline and demise of the First Reconstruction grew apparent before the Panic of 1873 and the economic recession which lasted for four years afterward.  Northern capitalists recognized that they did not have to condone biracial rule in the South in order to develop the predominantly rural region.  Conservatives in the Republican Party found that their own interests converged with those of the former planter class to a greater extent than they did with poor blacks.  As historian Lawrence Goodwyn observes, “the bankers, manufacturers, shippers, and merchants” who ran the Republican Party “soon wearied of their attempt to build a postwar party in the South based on black suffrage.  As elected victories in the 1860s and 1870s proved that the [Republicans] could rule with a basically northern constituency, Negroes, their morale declining, and white radical abolitionists, their numbers thinning, lost the intra-party debate over Southern policy.”…..In the disputed presidential election of 1876, the Republicans secured their narrow victory by promising to curtail civil rights measures and to allow the re-establishment of white supremacy in the South.  After the so-called Compromise of 1877, federal troops were eventually ordered to leave the South.

The end of Reconstruction produced a political and social climate of fear and intimidation for every black person in the South.  Despite a brief period from the late 1880s, to the mid-1890s when black and white southern farmers attempted to develop a biracial opposition to the planters through the Populist Party, the conditions of black life and labor deteriorated rapidly.  Politically, the federal government abandoned any commitment to biracial demoncracy……Republican presidents supported the creation of a “Lily White” wing of their party in the South, which would deny blacks the right to participate even in their own political organizations.

From the book "Race, Reform, and Rebellion"

Sometimes, it is argued that folks in a given time could not overcome the gestalt of the time and that we judge them too harshly by modern standards.  Therefore, I put that one sentence in GREEN to emphasize the point that altho there WERE people who were working to develop a multi-racial political system in the South, the Republicans of the day would have none of it.

 

[Bison66]

OS,
Here's a question for you my friend.  Let me reface this by saying that I think you add outstanding anti-esablishment (being that most on this forum swing left) dialogue to this forum.  With that said, why do you continue to call the President of the United States Barry?  I know you have the right to use any term you wish but it stands to reason that you being an older gentlemen, even older than me, would at least respect the office of the President with some source of honor for our ancestors.  Mind you, we WILL NOT not see this again in our lifetime.   You are speaking with with one who can argue intelligently with insulting my foe.  That is what makes our degrees worth something....... I think

Barry is one of the President's names. I am not sure if he ever had it legal changed back to Barack Hussein Obama. Remember during the lead up to and during the Presidential race, it was forbidden to even refer to his middle name....

It is slimy and dishonest of you, OS, to try to pretend that you refer to the President as 'Barry' for any reason other than to show disrespect & disdain for him (and perhaps to tick off other Black folks, who remember - or have heard about the days - when white folks REFUSED to call us by Mr., Mrs or by any other titles we had earned and deserved to be addressed by out of simple decency.)

'Fess up!
 

[thirdeye]

Bison,

I was wondering where you were. Twin and I saved you some "fried chicken and watamelon" from the gathering.  And we buried the Behold book underneath the Poplar tree before we left, so we wouldn't get caught with it on the way back.  I didn't want Oldsport to smack it out of my backpack in front of Homeland Security literature surveillance if he didn't agree with me.
And No...I was not HUSA VP.  Are you referring to April?  LOL.  She was during my time though..if that's who you are referring to.  I was a quiet scholar while there-- all my many times, building and learning and reading and absorbing.  I wasn't on the bull horn in the yard "spitting" the rhetoric in my era.  But I was amongst the protesters when there was a cause.  I was being quiet  So that I could be a more informed Big Mouth now...lolololol.  I was Ms. Liberal Arts though-if that helps.
And thank you for that literary backup---nice.  From Exclusion to Inclusion:  Gomes and Williams is one of my sources.

[Bison66]

ThirdEye,

Thanks for saving the fried chicken.

No, April was President, not VP.

Check your box for a PM.

 

[Bison66]

Can the hard right on Onnidan provide real political dialogue?

I dunno!!

http://onnidan1.com/forum/index.php/topic,36192.0.html

 

[Bison66]

I am wondering if ANY Black Conservatives can provide real political dialogue.

After y04 posted a link, I asked Ms. Wright if she wishes to engage in dialogue, no response.
http://www.freedomsjournal.net/2012/01/27/eat-pray-love-and-be-black-but-don%E2%80%99t-be-a-republican/

I have also sent a note seeking dialogue to her website, but after two days it is still being "Moderated."

That link or something led me to a video.
 http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?threaded=1&v=y6kYcuvJHZA
I sent Stacy a couple of messages.  

Stacy, greetings to you. I respect your right to be a Conservative and you gave good reasons.. Where can we find the audio of your exchange with Damon on the Allman show? Can you help? I'd like to see if you made this video because you found his points incontestable or at least difficult to counter...just wondering. I'd also like to know whether he actually said that "all" Republicans are racist. If he did, he is clearly incorrect. If not, then you are engaging in a straw man argument.
DamaniWVK 4 days ago

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@DamaniWVK You can find the audio on the 97.1 FM talk webpage on the Allman in the Morning podcast page. This reply box will not allow me to post a link here. There was no argument. He stated that I couldn't possibly be a conservative and black to the call screener. Then he asked me why I was one.
stacyontheright 4 days ago

@stacyontheright
In that case:
When did he say that ALL Republicans are racists?
DamaniWVK 3 days ago


Here's another more pointed one with her "response":

Part 2
Stacy,you are demonstrably wrong on "5,000 years of civilization" re:marriage being between 1 man&1 woman. Unless,of course,you are calling the Mormon's uncivilized and/or the MANY societies worldwide in which polygamy was/is practiced, including the "Holy Land."(Exodus21:10; 2Sam12:Eight). If you maintain the accuracy of your statement, you are engaging in circular logic. Civilization=monogamy=civiliza­tion. Meanwhile, I agree with you that marriage SHOULD be between 1 male & 1 female.
DamaniWVK 4 days ago

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@DamaniWVK
You may post all you would like, but you are arguing with yourself. The video is why I am a conservative. If you are not a conservative, or you don't like what I have said, you are free to watch someone else. You will not change my mind by posting comments here. And I won't waste my time arguing with you.
stacyontheright 4 days ago

@stacy
Stacy, that is SO interesting!! I point out that your statement is FALSE and rather than showing how I am incorrect OR acknowledge your error, you tell me to get lost. Candidly, I am not surprised because that is my experience with (Black) Conservatives. Understan­d now why I asked about the audio of the radio exchange? Just so you know,Stacy, I am not trying to change your mind. But you have already given up on changing mine. Nice way to encourage folks to consider your viewpoint!
DamaniWVK 3 days ago

So far, no response.